Glory be to God, forever and ever, Amen! This is the power of the Holy Spirit. Islam offers only darkness and death. Christianity offers light and life. Light will always overcome the darkness. Thanks be to God for Masab Yousef coming to Christ and receiving salvation.

Daniel Paul-- Trust me, the Muslims did not mean that statement to in any way support Christian doctrine recognizing the Trinity. To the Muslims, that statement means "God is One" and to them that means that the concept of the Trinity is blasphemy. They knew exactly what they were doing. They will understand the Christians having signed on to that statement (regardless of what th...more

Daniel Paul--

Trust me, the Muslims did not mean that statement to in any way support Christian doctrine recognizing the Trinity. To the Muslims, that statement means "God is One" and to them that means that the concept of the Trinity is blasphemy. They knew exactly what they were doing. They will understand the Christians having signed on to that statement (regardless of what the Christians say in back-peddling) as an admission of the error of their belief in the Trinity.

It will be broadcast all over the Muslim world that way, take it to the bank. When dealing with Muslims, one must always read between the lines. Deception is part and parcel of their religion when dealing with "infidels".

This entire conference is a terrible idea. Light has no business with darkness.less

"The statement began by affirming the 'unity and absoluteness of God'..." So, right off the bat the Muslims play them and dupe the dhimmi Christians at this conference into denying the Holy Trinity. Good move, guys, maybe you can deny the unique, atoning, salvation of Christ next...

Muslims do not accept the authority of scripture that was delivered six hundred years before theirs, and deny that Christ is the Son. They are antichrist (1 John) and filled with the spirit of antichrist. Paul says: 2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmon...more

Muslims do not accept the authority of scripture that was delivered six hundred years before theirs, and deny that Christ is the Son. They are antichrist (1 John) and filled with the spirit of antichrist. Paul says:

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."[c]
17"Therefore come out from them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you."[d]
18"I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

No Christian has any business conducting any meeting like this with Muslims. Islam is evil. We should witness to Muslims, but these kind of interfaith "dialogues" are only one way, when it comes to Muslims - they are not concerned with anything Christians have to say - they exist only to dictate to Christians. Muslims are supremely arrogant.less

I am a Christian, and I have no problem at all with the idea of evolution, at least at the micro level, adaptation within a species. I'm not at all convinced by the larger argument for macroevolution - one species becoming another - and I don't believe the fossil record really supports this. Either way, it doesn't matter much to me. The word for day in Genesis is the Hebrew word...more

I am a Christian, and I have no problem at all with the idea of evolution, at least at the micro level, adaptation within a species. I'm not at all convinced by the larger argument for macroevolution - one species becoming another - and I don't believe the fossil record really supports this. Either way, it doesn't matter much to me.

The word for day in Genesis is the Hebrew word "yod", which can be any period of time ("A day is as a thousand years to the Lord" - 2 Peter, I believe). The creation story was God's way (through whoever wrote it, probably Moses) of explaining the origin of the world, and man's fall, to a primitive people in a way that would not only work for them, but also remain somewhat timeless. Any other way of explaining creation a) would not have worked for those people in that time or b) would not have worked for other people, in later times. In this sense, the creation story is perfectly timeless.

What was God supposed to do, start Genesis like this: "In the beginning, there was a singularity, and the Lord said, 'let there be light', and the singularity burst forth in the Big Bang...on the Third Day, God said, 'let us create the double-helix' and there was DNA, and it was good."

Genesis explains creation in a way that makes sense to all people in all times, because it is not presenting science, or even necessarily history at all points, it is presenting a spiritual truth about man's origins and his downfall. "Adam" means "man" or "mankind". My feeling is that Adam was the first being to receive self-awareness, consciousness, the mark of the divine. What God breathed into us. What separates us from all the animal kingdom. And I don't believe that in any way conflicts with science or with Biblical truth.

The Bible isn't a science book. And science cannot explain spiritual matters or truths. Science cannot tell us anything about where life came from, or what consciousness is or where it comes from. Do some reading. Stop making the Bible be what it wasn't intended to be. Use reason. Think. The greatest scholars and thinkers in the world for centuries were Christians. St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Anselm...less

I listen to Greg Laurie's podcasts occasionally and he strikes me as a very good, funny, kind, devout man of God. I am so, so terribly sorry for his loss. I will pray for you, Greg. I cannot imagine such a terrible loss and tragedy. To think that his son was on his way to the chapel to participate in the service. One day the Lord will wipe away all tears from our eyes. Everyone please pra...more

I listen to Greg Laurie's podcasts occasionally and he strikes me as a very good, funny, kind, devout man of God. I am so, so terribly sorry for his loss. I will pray for you, Greg. I cannot imagine such a terrible loss and tragedy. To think that his son was on his way to the chapel to participate in the service.

One day the Lord will wipe away all tears from our eyes. Everyone please pray for Greg and his family. There is a baby that will be born in November that will never know its father.less

humanape-- In his lifetime, Voltaire said that in 100 years no one would read the Bible any more. Less than 100 years after he died, his home was used by the Geneva Bible Society to print Bibles. Hmmmm, funny that. The Bible will be here forever. Christ said, "My words will never pass away". Plenty have tried, and plenty have failed. The Bible is still the best-sell...more

humanape--

In his lifetime, Voltaire said that in 100 years no one would read the Bible any more. Less than 100 years after he died, his home was used by the Geneva Bible Society to print Bibles. Hmmmm, funny that.

The Bible will be here forever. Christ said, "My words will never pass away". Plenty have tried, and plenty have failed. The Bible is still the best-selling book in the world, and billions of people still read it daily. Sorry to disappoint.less

This arrogant man's hubris is tearing apart one of the largest denominations on earth. He is an apostate and he's causing terrible damage to the church. God will not deal kindly with him, I suspect.

In my previous post, I shared the Word of the Lord. Any Presbyterian remaining in this apostate body called the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. should flee, because they are surely communing with apostates and sharing fellowship with them. The PCUSA has shed all vestiges of orthodoxy and sound doctrine. Flee this apostate body, my brothers and sisters!

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs ...more

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

Romans 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Romans 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.less

Mike2685-- I'm all for conversation, as I would imagine most Christians are. But Jesus also said he came not to bring peace, but division. Paul also warned about those who would turn away from sound doctrine - who had itching ears. And scripture repeatedly calls us to adhere to the truth in spite of the "world's" opinion. The homosexual movement, its movers and sh...more

Mike2685--

I'm all for conversation, as I would imagine most Christians are. But Jesus also said he came not to bring peace, but division. Paul also warned about those who would turn away from sound doctrine - who had itching ears. And scripture repeatedly calls us to adhere to the truth in spite of the "world's" opinion.

The homosexual movement, its movers and shakers, and their goals are by definition of "the world" - the agenda they are pursuing is to push sinful, hedonisitic, libertine behavior on the rest of society and force society to accept it.

The division begins, and the conversation can really go nowhere, when homosexuals or groups like "Soulforce" flat out deny that the Bible says what it really says. There's nowhere to go from there. Sin is sin. The Bible describes God's feelings about sin. Homosexuality is on the list of grave sins in both the Old and New Testaments. There's no getting around that. I am all for demonstrating love and compassion toward a repentant homosexual who acknowledges their desires are sinful and needs help struggling against it (I am not one of those Christians who necessarily believes a homosexual can be "changed" to a heterosexual - the Exodus movement - maybe, maybe not, but I don't really think so in most cases). Homosexuality is a cross to bear, just like some people struggle against drugs, alcoholism, sexual addiction, pornography, gluttony, etc. It is no worse than any other sin. The difference is *acknowledging* that it is sin. If a homosexual refuses to acknowledge that their desires are sinful, then the conversation ends. It cannot happen. All a Christian can do is show the unrepentant homosexual the scripture, and what the Law says. Then it is up to the Holy Spirit to move the homosexual to accept that their inclination is condemned, and seek repentance and God's mercy in the gospel message.less

I posted this as a reply to someone on another thread but it applies here: Two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality rep...more

I posted this as a reply to someone on another thread but it applies here:

Two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality repeatedly (and I know the underlying Koine Greek and I have numerous Greek Lexicons, so don't tell me that the Greek doesn't really mean homosexual - it does. There was no exact word for "homosexuality" in Greek, because such relations weren't accepted as equal to male and female relations - but Paul uses the words for men who engage in sexual relations as either the active or passive partner - that was the only way he *could* describe homosexuality in Koine Greek).

God created them "male and female", and anything outside of that is abomination. It is spoken in the Old Testament and confirmed in the New Testament repeatedly (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 1 Timothy). Stop lying to yourself, you know the truth, just as every person walking the planet does. This is why homosexuality has *always* been a cultural taboo, in every culture throughout history (even the Greeks did not accept it like revisionist historians would like one to believe). The natural law is written in man's heart, as Paul says. People know right from wrong instinctively, and it is why homosexuality inspires revulsion in the majority of people in the majority of cultures in the majority of countries - and it always has.

There can be nothing of "God" in a homosexual relationship, it is only deception. It is listening to false teaching with itching ears if someone is telling you otherwise. It is not a lifestyle that can ever reflect God's glory or his intention and will - that makes it against God, and that makes it perverse. Abomination. That's why that word was used.

Jesus didn't speak about "homosexuality" because it wasn't even necessary to discuss it. It was a non-issue. A non-starter. It was a cultural taboo in Judaism from the beginning and would never have been accepted - it was a stoning offense in Jewish Law. Jesus didn't speak about it for the same reason he didn't speak about necrophilia or bestiality. He *didn't have to*. It was *assumed* (or presumed). The only argument that could be made for homosexuality in that context would have been if Jesus *specifically* said something that argued for it - which would have been overturning Mosaic Law. Sort of like how he modified the understanding of the Sabbath, or the Fourth Commandment, etc. But he never did. Because Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, and he would have accepted exactly what God said about homosexuality - that it was abomination.

The only option open to a homosexual who truly loves God and wishes to serve him, is to struggle against their sinful inclination and to remain celibate. Anything else is sin.less

feetlxxx-- Two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality repeatedly (and I know the underlying Koine Greek and I have numero...more

feetlxxx--

Two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality repeatedly (and I know the underlying Koine Greek and I have numerous Greek Lexicons, so don't tell me that the Greek doesn't really mean homosexual - it does. There was no exact word for "homosexuality" in Greek, because such relations weren't accepted as equal to male and female relations - but Paul uses the words for men who engage in sexual relations as either the active or passive partner - that was the only way he *could* describe homosexuality in Koine Greek).

God created them "male and female", Jesus reiterates this, and anything outside of that is abomination. It is spoken in the Old Testament and confirmed in the New Testament repeatedly (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 1 Timothy). Stop lying to yourself, you know the truth, just as every person walking the planet does. This is why homosexuality has *always* been a cultural taboo, in every culture throughout history (even the Greeks did not accept it like revisionist historians would like one to believe). The natural law is written in man's heart, as Paul says. People know right from wrong instinctively, and it is why homosexuality inspires revulsion in the majority of people in the majority of cultures in the majority of countries - and it always has.

There can be nothing of "God" in a homosexual relationship, it is only deception. It is listening to false teaching with itching ears if someone is telling you otherwise. It is not a lifestyle that can ever reflect God's glory or his intention and will - that makes it against God, and that makes it perverse. Abomination. That's why that word was used.

Jesus didn't speak about "homosexuality" because it wasn't even necessary to discuss it. It was a non-issue. A non-starter. It was a cultural taboo in Judaism from the beginning and would never have been accepted - it was a stoning offense in Jewish Law. Jesus didn't speak about it for the same reason he didn't speak about necrophilia or bestiality. He *didn't have to*. It was *assumed* (or presumed). The only argument that could be made for homosexuality in that context would have been if Jesus *specifically* said something that argued for it - which would have been overturning Mosaic Law. Sort of like how he modified the understanding of the Sabbath, or the Fourth Commandment, etc. But he never did. Because Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, and he would have accepted exactly what God said about homosexuality - that it was abomination.

The only option open to a homosexual who truly loves God and wishes to serve him, is to struggle against their sinful inclination and to remain celibate. Anything else is sin.less

Mike2685-- First, two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality repeatedly (and I know the underlying Koine Greek and ...more

Mike2685--

First, two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality repeatedly (and I know the underlying Koine Greek and I have numerous Greek Lexicons, so don't tell me that the Greek doesn't really mean homosexual - it does. There was no exact word for "homosexuality" in Greek, because such relations weren't accepted as equal to male and female relations - but Paul uses the words for men who engage in sexual relations as either the active or passive partner - that was the only way he *could* describe homosexuality in Koine Greek).

God created them "male and female", and anything outside of that is abomination. It is spoken in the Old Testament and confirmed in the New Testament repeatedly (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 1 Timothy). Stop lying to yourself, you know the truth, just as every person walking the planet does. This is why homosexuality has *always* been a cultural taboo, in every culture throughout history (even the Greeks did not accept it like revisionist historians would like one to believe). The natural law is written in man's heart, as Paul says. People know right from wrong instinctively, and it is why homosexuality inspires revulsion in the majority of people in the majority of cultures in the majority of countries - and it always has.

There can be nothing of "God" in a homosexual relationship, it is only deception. It is listening to false teaching with itching ears if someone is telling you otherwise. It is not a lifestyle that can ever reflect God's glory or his intention and will - that makes it against God, and that makes it perverse. Abomination. That's why that word was used.

Jesus didn't speak about "homosexuality" because it wasn't even necessary to discuss it. It was a non-issue. A non-starter. It was a cultural taboo in Judaism from the beginning and would never have been accepted - it was a stoning offense in Jewish Law. Jesus didn't speak about it for the same reason he didn't speak about necrophilia or bestiality. He *didn't have to*. It was *assumed* (or presumed). The only argument that could be made for homosexuality in that context would have been if Jesus *specifically* said something that argued for it - which would have been overturning Mosaic Law. Sort of like how he modified the understanding of the Sabbath, or the Fourth Commandment, etc. But he never did. Because Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, and he would have accepted exactly what God said about homosexuality - that it was abomination.

The only option open to a homosexual who truly loves God and wishes to serve him, is to struggle against their sinful inclination and to remain celibate. Anything else is sin.less

AMEN! Thank God that he has raised up men like Daniel Deng Bul of Sudan in the Anglican Church to speak the truth! He is exactly right - this apostate bishop Robinson must resign and step down or confess his sin of homosexuality was wrong and repent of it. No open, unrepentant sodomite has any place in the church of God. It is one thing to recognize one's sin and struggle with it, it is qu...more

AMEN! Thank God that he has raised up men like Daniel Deng Bul of Sudan in the Anglican Church to speak the truth! He is exactly right - this apostate bishop Robinson must resign and step down or confess his sin of homosexuality was wrong and repent of it.

No open, unrepentant sodomite has any place in the church of God. It is one thing to recognize one's sin and struggle with it, it is quite another to brazenly declare what God says to be sinful, is actually not sinful at all, and then challenge the church of God with such a defiant and unrepentant attitude.less

chicago24-- It's about our children being indoctrinated with the idea that two men or women "marrying" in a faux marriage is equivalent in every way to a man and woman marrying in a *real* marriage. It is about the mainstreaming and normalizing of homosexuality and the assault upon anyone who stands up to such ideas. Christians are determined to teach their children that homos...more

chicago24--

It's about our children being indoctrinated with the idea that two men or women "marrying" in a faux marriage is equivalent in every way to a man and woman marrying in a *real* marriage. It is about the mainstreaming and normalizing of homosexuality and the assault upon anyone who stands up to such ideas.

Christians are determined to teach their children that homosexuality is wrong, that it is in violation of the natural order of God's creation, that it is condemned as abominable and perverse behavior in the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments, and that it should never be held up by society as equal to heterosexual marriage which *is* the natural order.

That is why Mr. Colson, along with millions upon millions of Christians, feel "threatened" by what is happening in the culture. And Christians will stand against such things through the legal system and at the ballot box. It is our democratic right to do so and to not have such thinking about homosexual behavior forced on us or our children. We will never acknowledge it as normal, right or good.less

Rowan *is* trying to have it both ways, and he can't. He has to choose. And the Anglican Communion has already split, Rowan is just too busy looking through his rose colored glasses. The split has already occurred even if Rowan won't acknowledge it.

Amen and amen, Mr. Colson! Mr. Colson has nailed the real issue here - it is the attempt to commandeer the state into a vehicle for persecuting anyone who speaks against homosexuality or homosexual marriage. This is what the homosexual agenda is really all about - it's about silencing any opposition to their behavior, their movement, and their agenda - and using the full power and authority o...more

Amen and amen, Mr. Colson! Mr. Colson has nailed the real issue here - it is the attempt to commandeer the state into a vehicle for persecuting anyone who speaks against homosexuality or homosexual marriage. This is what the homosexual agenda is really all about - it's about silencing any opposition to their behavior, their movement, and their agenda - and using the full power and authority of the state to do it.less

lina-- Thank you for proving what I said to rolln4him about liberals is true. You proved my point and then some. Congratulations on your hate-filled screed. Yeah, we'll pray for you.

rolln4him-- It is ironic how the gay community and the left throw around the word "hate". I have never seen more hate, more rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth vitriol and viciousness than I have seen from gays and the left towards anyone who opposes them. Absolutely the most mindless, vicious, hateful, screeching vitriol that I have ever heard, topped off with the various threats and t...more

rolln4him--

It is ironic how the gay community and the left throw around the word "hate". I have never seen more hate, more rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth vitriol and viciousness than I have seen from gays and the left towards anyone who opposes them. Absolutely the most mindless, vicious, hateful, screeching vitriol that I have ever heard, topped off with the various threats and tantrums. You want to see the rabid face of hate in America - look to the left. Liberals are the most hateful, vicious people on the planet when you get in their way. (And they also have a tendency to use endless streams of expletives moreso than anyone on the right I've ever heard).less