beleiver < obamacare is not it! >__ obama gave repubs plenty of opportunity to contribute, in stead they chose to demagogue the issue. In fact, amny if not most of the proposals obama put forth were the same as republicnas had back in the 1990's in response to clintons healthcare proposals. the reason repubs didnt get on board is they want obama to fail.

crisp___ < Your argument misses the part where a baby doesn't get the chance to live on earth. >____ Hmmm, interesting, most of what I here from Xian's is the promise of heaven and how they cant wait to get there. If heaven so grand and glorious and earth so "sinful" and wicked as Xians claim, why would anyone be disappointed to "get the chance to live on earth.", especially considering most...more

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< Your argument misses the part where a baby doesn't get the chance to live on earth. >____

Hmmm, interesting, most of what I here from Xian's is the promise of heaven and how they cant wait to get there. If heaven so grand and glorious and earth so "sinful" and wicked as Xians claim, why would anyone be disappointed to "get the chance to live on earth.", especially considering most humans will be sent to get eternal torture treatment for not having the correct beliefs. I would take the ticket to paradise over the possibility of eternal torture..Again, I must conclude, based on the Xian view, abortion a very good thing for the fetus- free trip to paradise.less

proph, is that all you got, lame......try again.

believer, and to those that cant get insurance due to pre-existing condition or working poor dont have $1,000 or folks that lose their jobs?? all americans should be required to pay into the system, especially the young in order to spread the risk and generate revenue to support the system in order that premiums can be lowered to affordable levels. but cant require people to contribute, that w...more

believer, and to those that cant get insurance due to pre-existing condition or working poor dont have $1,000 or folks that lose their jobs??

all americans should be required to pay into the system, especially the young in order to spread the risk and generate revenue to support the system in order that premiums can be lowered to affordable levels. but cant require people to contribute, that would be socialism- cant do that.

But why should you care, you have yours that's all that really matters. I know plenty of Xians with the attitude....

BTW, one reason the poor have abortions is they cant afford the kids, they dont have health insurance and have no way to afford insurance if they can even get it, for them abortion a good option.less

OK believer, we see you have nothing offer on healthcare reform. you got yours, thats all that matter's. what would your friend jesus think??

believer < .... He would think there is a much better way to do this than with obamacare!! > OK, do tell, what is a better way?? what ideas do you have in mind for all americans to have access to quality healthcare ?? Or do you believe only some people in america should have healthcare? < Even in the late 70s and early 80s they were paying four to five dollars for a gallon of gas. >...more

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< .... He would think there is a much better way to do this than with obamacare!! >

OK, do tell, what is a better way?? what ideas do you have in mind for all americans to have access to quality healthcare ?? Or do you believe only some people in america should have healthcare?

< Even in the late 70s and early 80s they were paying four to five dollars for a gallon of gas. >__ i have always been in favor of much higher gasoline taxes, would encourage conservation, reduce dependence of foreign oil and reduce waste and pollution..less

crisp there is so much wrong in your post, where to begin.. < if you want some proof, how about you look at your house, who built? > who/what made god?? < we do not impose, we simply state the truth > need to fix part of this for you, should read "truth", as it is "truth" according to you and your religion, nothing more...... establishment of democracies in the West put an end to...more

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there is so much wrong in your post, where to begin..

< if you want some proof, how about you look at your house, who built? >
who/what made god??

< we do not impose, we simply state the truth >
need to fix part of this for you, should read "truth", as it is "truth" according to you and your religion, nothing more......
establishment of democracies in the West put an end to imposition of Xianity on the masses. if Xians had the power, they would impose Xian theocracy on america...

< We help people because we love them, we love people >
Whose we?? Near as I can figure, xianity is antithetical to the notion of love if it promises eternal torture to all those that don’t happen to believe Xian club stuff.

< Proof that Jesus rose from the dead, his empty tomb…. >

Sorry, but that’s not evidence unless it can be demonstrated the occupant actually, once confirmed dead rose again. Perhaps a modern day demonstration might be in order to show its true, after 2000 years story getting old.

< So is the stories of people like Jesus' twelve disciples fake? Are they just stories too? >

I have no way of knowing, they are stories. Did a character name jesus exist? probably was he a god? I have no reason to believe so.

< As for your argument about proving why the book of mormon, the quran are not true. It is rather simple, Mormonism was started by a scam artist >


I can say the same things of the many authors of the bible, at the very least simply story tellers. BTW, your comments would be considered very offensive to the followers of islam and Mormonism to which millions have devoted their lives in the same way you have towards your religion, would you to their face tell them their religion is a fraud??? How tolerant would you be if they said the same of your religion?

< For your own sake and for Jesus' love for you, please stop your opposition against him. >

Not rejection, just don’t belief it in the same way I don’t believe in zeus nor Apollo.less

believer, their taxes really not that much different when all is figured in compared to US. perhaps our friend steve might address that. the US has decided a large part of its budget is to fund its military-industrial-congressional complex machine at the expense of benefiting everyday people to the tune of about a trillion dollars per year.. Interesting you brought up higher taxes. SO, wha...more

believer, their taxes really not that much different when all is figured in compared to US. perhaps our friend steve might address that. the US has decided a large part of its budget is to fund its military-industrial-congressional complex machine at the expense of benefiting everyday people to the tune of about a trillion dollars per year..

Interesting you brought up higher taxes. SO, whats important to you is having a bit more money in your pocket even if it means millions of children will not have access to healthcare. what would jesus think??less

DP__ < I was one of those hard working poor without health insurance and a single parent > ___ be thankful you did not have a catastrophic health issue to deal with. there are millions of people that are not so lucky.........

DP, your idea may look good on paper, but so did communism.............

DP, steve, from britian i think, said his countries system of providing healthcare works pretty well. are you saying he is a liar? base on what i know, canada and british systems are very similar. As far as the iraq war is concerned, if it of such high importance to US security as you and bush and the neo-cons claimed, then why was there no plan put in place to fund it such as a war tax. why...more

DP, steve, from britian i think, said his countries system of providing healthcare works pretty well. are you saying he is a liar? base on what i know, canada and british systems are very similar.

As far as the iraq war is concerned, if it of such high importance to US security as you and bush and the neo-cons claimed, then why was there no plan put in place to fund it such as a war tax. why instead was it taken off budget to hide the cost? why was the cost put on future generations to pay for?

Another question for you. Do we really need to spend a trillion dollars per year to fight terrorism? bin laden i think really got a lot for his few million dollars to pull off 9-11, he got the US to over react to spend and borrow multiple trillions of dollars making us ever more vulnerable to economic failure. those with interests in the military-industrial-congressional complex are thankful for 9-11.less

Here is an article describing the difficulty of an individual going out attempting to purchase health insurance for her family, a very difficult proposition. I would like to see those members of congress opposed to health care reform to drop their tax payer provided healthcare plan and go out and try to purchase their own policy and thereby save the tax payers money as they claim to have an inte...more

Here is an article describing the difficulty of an individual going out attempting to purchase health insurance for her family, a very difficult proposition. I would like to see those members of congress opposed to health care reform to drop their tax payer provided healthcare plan and go out and try to purchase their own policy and thereby save the tax payers money as they claim to have an interest. I bet they would change their tune on healthcare once they encountered the difficulties of going thru the process and perhaps getting turned down as they have pre-existing conditions or deemed too high a risk to the insurers’ profits.

"Money Won’t Buy You Health Insurance":

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/opinion/20Dubinsky.html?_r=1less

i wasnt around for jesus death thing either, and i wasnt around when A&E "sinned", so I assume no responsibility whatsoever...

crisp___ you still havent made a good argument against abortion the way i see it. free ticket to paradise much better than likelihood of eternal torture most humans are headed for because they have the wrong beliefs according to Xians. if i have the choice of abortion providing 100 % certainty of paradise compared to more than 50% likelihood of eternal torture if born, i will take the former ...more

crisp___ you still havent made a good argument against abortion the way i see it. free ticket to paradise much better than likelihood of eternal torture most humans are headed for because they have the wrong beliefs according to Xians.

if i have the choice of abortion providing 100 % certainty of paradise compared to more than 50% likelihood of eternal torture if born, i will take the former choice....simple logic.less

hey steve, my friends from europe cant believe how poor US healthcare system is in terms of the tens of millions of its citizens that have no access to affordable healthcare and that having access to healthcare is in fact a function being healthy enough to hold a job at an employer that offers insurance. there are also millions of hard working poor that work full time jobs at employers that do...more

hey steve, my friends from europe cant believe how poor US healthcare system is in terms of the tens of millions of its citizens that have no access to affordable healthcare and that having access to healthcare is in fact a function being healthy enough to hold a job at an employer that offers insurance. there are also millions of hard working poor that work full time jobs at employers that do not offer healthcare plan so they cant afford healthcare.

There is something very wrong in a country whose elected officials have the best healthcare money can buy and at the same time, millions of tax payers that pay their salaries do without.

But steve, at least here in the US, we have a military machine that we americans can be most proud of, never mind our infrastructure in crumbling and tens of millions of its citizens have no healthcare............less

grover__ < Should a Christian pharmacy worker refuse to fill a valid prescription for NSAIDS because they also can cause abortion? > __prehaps its time for them to find new line of work.........

grover____ < Contraceptives are readily available for anyone who chooses not to have a baby – although that fact has not reduced the number of abortions >___ really?? Any data to support your claim?

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crisp___ < Your argument misses the part where a baby doesn't get the chance to live on earth. >____ Hmmm, interesting, most of what I here from Xian's is the promise of heaven and how they cant wait to get there. If heaven so grand and glorious and earth so "sinful" and wicked as Xians claim, why would anyone be disappointed to "get the chance to live on earth.", especially considering most humans will be sent to get eternal torture treatment for not having the correct beliefs. I would take the ticket to paradise over the possibility of eternal torture.. Again, I must conclude, based on the Xian view, abortion a very good thing for the fetus- free trip to paradise. hide

Xians use to kill non-believers or mis-believers before the democratization of the West wherein the influence of religion is greatly diminished. Even in relatively modern times, Xian's killed jews.

Perhaps the colleges can go to war just as catholics & protestants did in europe.