Yes, and all these lazy pastors & televangelists should GET A JOB so they can understand how a buck is made. they have to deal with irate customers work politics sevanthood ( they preach about SERVANTHOOD IN CHURCH) job interview layoffs being contented with $11.00 / hr no health benefits no sick days taxes annoining & a jacka$$ boss favoritism obedience to a boss command orders 5...more

Yes, and all these lazy pastors & televangelists should GET A JOB so they can understand how a buck is made.
they have to deal with

irate customers
work politics
sevanthood ( they preach about SERVANTHOOD IN CHURCH)
job interview
layoffs
being contented with $11.00 / hr
no health benefits
no sick days
taxes
annoining & a jacka$$ boss
favoritism
obedience to a boss command orders
5 or 6 work loads receiving same salary
vacation schedule
mean co-workers

these are the list of $hit workers have to deal everyday. when these lazy pastors get a job, this is a GOOD WAY TO PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH about being CHRIST LIKE such as contentment, servanthood, humility, patience, kindness when being treated like $hit by a co worker & unfair treatment by your boss.
but I WILL BET YOU when these lazy pastors deal with these issues they won't be christ like but their 'american-like' of 'that's not my job' & 'you will hear from my lawyer' will come out

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... they just stick out their hands & quote malachi & 'give me your fricking 10%.' then blame you for struggles.

PAT ROBERTSON should get a job so he can understand how those struggling families feel like & not fricking quote a 'ye lack faith' blame when you are trying to feed your family earning $2000 / month

BUNCH OF GREEDY HYPOCRITES

but noooo they have to be paid $100,000 year and if not their 'american attitude' will take people to court.less

Yes, and all these lazy pastors & televangelists should GET A JOB so they can understand how a buck is made. they have to deal with irate customers work politics sevanthood ( they preach about SERVANTHOOD IN CHURCH) job interview layoffs being contented with $11.00 / hr no health benefits no sick days taxes annoining & a jacka$$ boss favoritism obedience to a boss command orders 5...more

Yes, and all these lazy pastors & televangelists should GET A JOB so they can understand how a buck is made.
they have to deal with

irate customers
work politics
sevanthood ( they preach about SERVANTHOOD IN CHURCH)
job interview
layoffs
being contented with $11.00 / hr
no health benefits
no sick days
taxes
annoining & a jacka$$ boss
favoritism
obedience to a boss command orders
5 or 6 work loads receiving same salary
vacation schedule
mean co-workers

these are the list of $hit workers have to deal everyday. when these lazy pastors get a job, this is a GOOD WAY TO PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH about being christ like such as contentment, servanthood, humility, patience, kindness when being treated like $hit by a co worker & unfair treatment by your boss.

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... they just stick out their hands & quote malachi & 'give me your fricking 10%.' then blame you for struggles.

PAT ROBERTSON should get a job so he can understand how those struggling families feel like & not fricking quote a 'ye lack faith' blame when you are trying to feed your family earning $2000 / month

BUNCH OF GREEDY HYPOCRITESless

clover we should not pay for them to live in mansions... we don't know where the money goes. they don't even give us an ACCOUNTING OF how much money was spend for the church. and remember, most of these televangelist are called CEOs of their church that' why they are paid like CEOs. we are to give freely without coersion? why don't they put a box on a dark corner & not pass that $tupid ...more

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we should not pay for them to live in mansions...

we don't know where the money goes. they don't even give us an ACCOUNTING OF how much money was spend for the church. and remember, most of these televangelist are called CEOs of their church that' why they are paid like CEOs.

we are to give freely without coersion? why don't they put a box on a dark corner & not pass that $tupid tithe basket & you will know who the'church' will give freely.less

everhopeful so that means that ALL sufferngs is a PUNISHMENT bec. of sin. if your child has been run over by a car, then she HAS SINNED. or if your car broke down, is that sin? if you see a child blind do you tell his parents 'the reason why your child is blind is bec. of SIN' why don't you refer to john 9. the pharisees, christ disciles' mentalityis 'the reason for the SUFFERING IS s...more

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so that means that ALL sufferngs is a PUNISHMENT bec. of sin. if your child has been run over by a car, then she HAS SINNED.
or if your car broke down, is that sin?

if you see a child blind do you tell his parents 'the reason why your child is blind is bec. of SIN'

why don't you refer to john 9. the pharisees, christ disciles' mentalityis 'the reason for the SUFFERING IS sin' are you saying it is punishment?

john 9 tells us that christ DID not have that mentality.less

Dwight Eisenhower warned us about the Military-industrial complex we are spending Billions of $$$. but when you tell them to cut the budget you are accused of anti military unpatriotic

and who was the president that requested $700 BILLION BAILOUT of banks & wall st.? oh george w bush.

so what do you call it when pastors & televangelist are paid $100,000 a year? drive a luxury car? live in multi million mansions? it seems that sin is selective. pastors & televangelist are SINLESS. that sin thrives only on the people NOT the leaders like pat robertson, hinn, graham,

so mr graham do you continue to be paid hundreds of thousands a year?

#1 – You cannot remember the last time you clearly heard the Word of God speak to you about an issue in your own life. oh why what about other people's issue? like pat robertson's greed, arrogance, impartiality, position, power. does this mean you have to be PERFECT? #2 – You no longer use the Bible to learn more about Jesus and hear His voice…you are simply using it to find your next...more

#1 – You cannot remember the last time you clearly heard the Word of God speak to you about an issue in your own life.

oh why what about other people's issue? like pat robertson's greed, arrogance, impartiality, position, power. does this mean you have to be PERFECT?

#2 – You no longer use the Bible to learn more about Jesus and hear His voice…you are simply using it to find your next sermon.

many can say they heard christ but they make things up as they go along.

#3 – You actually begin to hate and despise the people in your church (who, by the way, are the very people you are called to love!)
do these pastors leaders go out in the REAL WORLD & love the unbelievers, run another mile for them?
NOOOO.
they just accuse the people of the church of FAILURE, sin. they are in the comforts of the 'church'. like the pharisees they are out of touch with reality. oh just use the SIN card

#4 – You spend more time on the cell phone and computer when you are at home than you do with your own family.
are chrsitians robots? working themselves to death? people need breaks. that is why many are EXHAUSTED, WORN DOWN, burnt out. THEN THEY ASK WHY

#5 – You are so obsessed with pleasing people and putting out fires that listening to God and doing what He says is no longer the goal of your life and ministry.

pleasing people? i call that accusing people.

#6 – You often dream of being in another church…thinking that if you were somewhere else you would have no problems.
well, instead of giving solutions to problems, they ADD MORE problems. the pastor in LUKE 13: came out of the synagogue & started blowing his mouth & accusing IT IS SIN TO HEAL the suffering woman for 18 years on a sabbath. and if they see people suffering THEY POINT TO SIN. WHATTTT!! dam if you do & dam if you don't

#7 – You are spending time building up people of the opposite sex and having intimate conversations with them that SHOULD be taking place with your spouse.

#8 – You are often overwhelmed with feelings of intense sadness and you don’t know why.
if you CAN'T find solution to you problems YOU WILL FEEL SAD & depressed
if church ADD MORE PROLEMS instead of finding the solution; YOU WILL FEEL SAD

#9 – You can’t sleep. - the message of the gospel is too much guily, shame blame fear bec CHRISTIANITY HAS TURNED EVERYTHING INTO SIN

#10 – You keep telling yourself (and your family) that one day everything is going to slow down.
why? bec. you are told 'TO DO THIS DO THAT' CHURCH. TOO MUCH WORK & IF YOU DISAGREE OR not participate you are ACCUSED OF SIN, ARROGANCE, SELFISHNESS. that is why your acceptance is BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

call a friend? call a counselor? IF THEY ARE CHRISTIANS, THEY WILL ACCUSE YOU OF SIN, LACK OF FAITH, blame you, accuse you.
I went to a 'friend' & he blasted me & accused me of SIN LACK OF FAITH. BLAME BLAME BLAME. THAT IS WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT.less

conscience? bush who professed to be a christian does not have any conscience worst 2000 election worst enron scandal worst attack on us worst bailout requesting $700 billion justifying iraq war with arrogance, profitting his corrupt friends other than that he profess ' I am a cris-tian'

aspaddict then you are not running a church but running a business that is after profit when christ died, he had only his robe. unless you can show me in the bible what other material worldly things he had, ed young is just another money preacher.

christian intolerance? look at what happened when we had a 'christian' in the white house 2000-2008 we had the 'worst' election 'worst' enron scandal 'worst' war in iraq $1.8 TRILLION WASTE 'worst' economic meltdown & $700 billion bailout 'worst' president

do you need to get over yourself? by joyce meyer pay someone's rent for 1 month? your $23,000 toilet can help pay 1 person for 2 year's of rent or 23 people for 1 month's rent. and why don't you pay your taxes? so when christ said 'give to cesar what's cesar' you don't agree with that?

. bush had congressional support? yeah bec. if you don't support the bush war, you are unpatriotic, you are for the terrorist. but the facts are iraq DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 911 bush IGNORED THE PDB titled BINLADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK US not iraq det to attack us NO wmds, no connection with osama they prolonged the war so bush & co can dump the problem on to the next president, wh...more

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bush had congressional support? yeah bec. if you don't support the bush war, you are unpatriotic, you are for the terrorist.
but the facts are
iraq DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 911
bush IGNORED THE PDB titled BINLADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK US not iraq det to attack us
NO wmds, no connection with osama
they prolonged the war so bush & co can dump the problem on to the next president, which BUSH DID.
and still a saudi plotted an attack on bush after the 'so called freedom march' in the middle east

but bush is a christian we should support him

by the way it's $1.8 TRILLION, osama is still alive, & the winners are cheney's halliburton & his cronies.

that is what happens when religion & politics unite = BLIND OBEDIENCE.less

McLaren, who isn't a fan of BLACK & WHITE theology, issued a response on Wednesday to Piper's blog post on the March 11 quake and tsunami that killed at least 9,000 people. All in all, McLaren says if his "only option for Christian faith required me to be satisfied with the explanations given by Piper, I would be driven away that is why many abandon it. they are DRIVEN AWAY. Mclaren is RIGHT...more

McLaren, who isn't a fan of BLACK & WHITE theology, issued a response on Wednesday to Piper's blog post on the March 11 quake and tsunami that killed at least 9,000 people.

All in all, McLaren says if his "only option for Christian faith required me to be satisfied with the explanations given by Piper, I would be driven away

that is why many abandon it. they are DRIVEN AWAY. Mclaren is RIGHT. christianity has become BLACK & WHITE.

when those who seek answers besides the BLACK & WHITE, another BLACK & WHITE answer is given which is there is NO gray area in christianity.

if god is sovereign & people suffer like this earthquake WHAT DO YOU DO NEXT? NO ANSWER from christianity oh i forgot 'because of sin' our world is a fallen world.less

joannebb you need to refrain from lumping all Christians together because not all would respond in the same way. Your generalizations are without warrant. same thing with christians, they generalize everything, everyone, and their generalizations are without warrant. 'not all would respond in the same way.' hmmmmmm...their response is SIN.

when I lost my job, I have to look out for 'no. 1'. nobody else has to fill up the application, submit the resume, go to the job interview & show self confidence to your interviewers. a pastor told me that S I N the middle of sin is I when I asked him about self confidence, but he drives a chrysler 300 & says he bought a house. (hypocrite) where were those so-called christians who will 'run anot...more

when I lost my job, I have to look out for 'no. 1'. nobody else has to fill up the application, submit the resume, go to the job interview & show self confidence to your interviewers.
a pastor told me that S I N the middle of sin is I when I asked him about self confidence, but he drives a chrysler 300 & says he bought a house. (hypocrite)
where were those so-called christians who will 'run another mile for your brethren'. they were 'looking after no1'

when I worked in a payroll advance company 'check into cash', I have to deal with irate black people who will walk over you bec. they can't pay their short term loans. nobody else has to pay the bills, buy food but ME. did I disobey god for looking out for no.1? is my perception skewed or devoid of right & wrong?
duh

this woman in front of me, she chats, surfs the internet, facebook 6 hours a day, late, cannot complete a week bec. she is absent 1 day every week, only gives 5% of effort on her work to save for her weekend parties, unmarried with 1 son & another on the way (claim another dependent for taxes), does not want to be told what to do & the company pays her bi weekly salary. WHY? is it because she is BLACK & she is discriminated? but she says she goes to church & has psalms 23.

so which one who disobeys, sins bec. a person is looking out for 'NO.1'less

old student I got that from christians. what do you think I made these things up? typical don't want to hear the truth.

George W Bush got an early intel about Osama bin laden's intention the PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEF titled 'BINLADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK US.

dbattle For people who don't believe the Bible all this does is reinforce a "look out for #1" mentality but for believers it has the potential to slowly chip away at a persons obedience to God's Word in the name of passion and your own skewed sense of right and wrong do pastors & televangelist who make $100,000 year or more, drive luxury cars, live in multi million $$$ homes obey god's word?...more

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For people who don't believe the Bible all this does is reinforce a "look out for #1" mentality but for believers it has the potential to slowly chip away at a persons obedience to God's Word in the name of passion and your own skewed sense of right and wrong

do pastors & televangelist who make $100,000 year or more, drive luxury cars, live in multi million $$$ homes obey god's word? is that god's will for them? well, this is a skewed sense of right or wrong.
when you make $100,000 year or MORE you are looking after mr. 'no. 1' and you consider that the 'best' will. are they obeying the verse 'deny' yourself? i gues that is not the best for them. i have seen christians 'look out for no.1' and they HAVE a skewed sense of right or wrong.

and many has asked the question 'what's god's will for me' but they end up being brainwashed in the name of obedience. obeying verses like 'deny yourself' 'run another mile for your brethren' 'there is a sin in your life' end up being the will of god for you. that is why christianity turns out to be performance & sacrifices.

how can you have free will when you are told to obey verses like 'deny yourself', run another mile for your brethren, cannot decide bec. deciding for yourself is a SIN. (they will remind you of adam & eve deciding for themselves & that's when sin entered the world)less