oral roberts a great leader? sow your $100 seed is not biblical & asking for $1 million is a scam.

revran There is much confusion about interpretation. But that's because man is interpreting it, not God so why are we told to go to church? isn't there a man call a pastor who interpret the bible? what about televangelist who 'supposedly' preach the bible. after a person gets save, then what? christians say that christianity is a relationship but you are told to deny the self (person) . ho...more

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There is much confusion about interpretation. But that's because man is interpreting it, not God

so why are we told to go to church? isn't there a man call a pastor who interpret the bible? what about televangelist who 'supposedly' preach the bible. after a person gets save, then what?

christians say that christianity is a relationship but you are told to deny the self (person) . how can relationship exist when self is demonized. the relationship that exists in church is a 4 second introduction. that's it
christians say that christianity is a relationship NOT performance but you are told to obey a list of TO DO.
christians say that god gave us free will but exercising free will is demonize, you are told to obey like a BORG
christians say do the right thing but anything can be justified as the 'right thing'. like 10% you will be blessed if you give your 10% not hard work.
christians will see everything as sin but when you point to THEIR sin they will say 'ye not judge me'

and where did these 'teachings' come from. the bible which is the word of god. god interpreting? the holy spirit? many can say they are filled with the holy spirit but contradict their actions.less

the republican party thinks that god is a republican & everything they do has gods blessings.

so what happened to the tax cuts for the rich Mr barefoot? republicans say that 'trickle down' ecnomy will stimulate & create jobs. did it? just additional debt.

luke 9:23 he said to them all, if any man will come after me let him DENY himself & take up his cross daily & follow me according to prof finney's lecture self denial is breaking off from any form of sin, from the expectation of reward, is not self denial but consulting self interest. self denial is REAL SACRIFICE OF SELF INTEREST from disinterested motives self denial imples the JOYF...more

luke 9:23 he said to them all, if any man will come after me let him DENY himself & take up his cross daily & follow me

according to prof finney's lecture self denial is

breaking off from any form of sin, from the expectation of reward, is not self denial but consulting self interest.

self denial is REAL SACRIFICE OF SELF INTEREST from disinterested motives

self denial imples the JOYFUL GIVING UP OF WHAT WE NEDD & WHAT MIGHT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMFORT.

every sacrifice of lawful ENJOYMENT, OF EASE, HEALTH, TIME TALENTS PROPERTY & WHATEVER MIGHT BE LAWFULLY ENJOYED is self denial. -

PASTORS TELEVANGELIST do not practice self denial bec. they DON'T WORK. they don;t deal with customer service, politics, lazy people who thinks they are discriminated bec. of their color.
they just stick out their hands shove the tithe basket down your throat & say 'give your 10%'. THAT IS WHY THEY CAN AFFORD TO DRIVE LUXURY CARS, live in multi million mansions, and have a salary of $100,000 / year. but DON'T JUDGE THEM as they make their defense to justify self interest, self convinience & greed


christianity is NOT PRACTICING RELATIONSHIP. IT IS PRACTICING ASCETISM. deny yourself from worldly desires for it is sin and the more you deny worldly desires the holy you become.less

one word HYPOCRITE!

grahams don't deserve to be on the list franklin graham is making $1.2 million

define the right thing? thou shall not kill... but invade iraq killing 150,000 innocent women & children thou shall not covet thy neighbor's good .. but sell iraqi oil for profit thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor ... but lie about wmds in iraq & imminent attack help thy neighbor ... but be compensated $200,000 / year managing samaritan purse for 'nonprofit' cause de...more

define the right thing?

thou shall not kill... but invade iraq killing 150,000 innocent women & children
thou shall not covet thy neighbor's good .. but sell iraqi oil for profit
thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor ... but lie about wmds in iraq & imminent attack

help thy neighbor ... but be compensated $200,000 / year managing samaritan purse for 'nonprofit' cause
deny yourself ... but drive a luxury car & live in multi million $$ homes preaching the gospel
give your 10% ... but drive a luxury car & live in multi million $$$ homes
preach the gospel in a private jet

be contented with what you have ... but drive a luxury car, live in mansions, receive $200,000 / year salary
be joyful when you are 'persecuted' not bec. of the gospel but being compensate $200,000 / year
sin is disobedience to the word of god but don't judge these rich televangelistsless

i dont care about my post. my mentality is I did not lie to start a war; killed 150,000 iraqi women children wasted $1.8 TRILLION destroyed families wounded soldiers physically, emotionally. & profess that I am a christian.

SECULAR JOB sounds evil yet the money we worked hard for from these 'SECULAR JOBS' is the same money given to pastors during their MALACHI time. they don;t deal with brownosing, irrate customer, politics, stress or minimum wage we are told to be contented with. they just stick out their hands & say 'give your 10% & god will bless you.' that is why when you ask them about issues, the first...more

SECULAR JOB sounds evil yet the money we worked hard for from these 'SECULAR JOBS' is the same money given to pastors during their MALACHI time.
they don;t deal with brownosing, irrate customer, politics, stress or minimum wage we are told to be contented with.

they just stick out their hands & say 'give your 10% & god will bless you.' that is why when you ask them about issues, the first thing that comes out or their mouth is SIN, that is not biblical. nO understanding, no compassion just arrogance believing that the reason they are making $100,000 year is bec they are holier than the congregation or they have MORE FAITH than the one who is making $10.00 / hr

what is 'SPIRITUAL WORK'? charities that is suppose to be NON PROFIT but you will hear franklin graham making $100,000 / year + $200,000 in other compensation or other televangelist living in multi million $$$ mansion driving $50,000 luxury cars & supposedly preaching the gospel in PRIVATE JETS THAT cost $20,000,000. BUT LET US NOT JUDGE THEM.less

funny, The legalist forsakes sin, not because he is alive, but that he may live. isn't when you go to sunday service you are told to obey or else god will punish you. that is legality in itself. and many pastors will say that they are saved by grace yet they continue to sin by enriching themselves with big salaries & compensations. BUT YE NOT JUDGE THEM. then they will condemn of sin you w...more

funny, The legalist forsakes sin, not because he is alive, but that he may live.

isn't when you go to sunday service you are told to obey or else god will punish you. that is legality in itself.

and many pastors will say that they are saved by grace yet they continue to sin by enriching themselves with big salaries & compensations. BUT YE NOT JUDGE THEM. then they will condemn of sin you when you disagree with them.less

how is dubya un christian? he lied about WMDs he lied about iraq connection with alqueda sin of commission with ken lay & enron started an illegal war proud & arrogant murdered 150,000 civilians in iraq bec of his beef with saddam rumsfled shook hands with saddam in the 80s.

so do pastors pay these 'volunteers' to preach the gospel? the congregation pays the pastos every sunday to preach the gospel. funny when a pastor preach the gospel he should be paid but when a member of the congregation preach the gospel, it should be free.

hey matt if you think you are JUDGED then practice what you preach if pastors say that self is a sin, then they should deny themselves not store treasures on earth like making $250,000 / year.

FReedom? hmm US supported dictators that killed 100s of thousands bec. they had self interest like bases & oil

I was a believer but christians treated me like dung then they don't practice what they preach!

you give 10% out of faith. will giving your 10% make you successful? murdock, copeland, & other say that 'give your $100 seed & it will become $10,000. and if it does not work. you lack faith? that is not faith but exploitation. success does not come from malachi & 10% but hard work & skill. but malachi has been misused & exploited in the name of obedience.

hey matt what do you call it when you ask about money & the first thing they say is ' money is the root of all evil' what do you call it when you ask about self confidence & the answer is 'SIN THE MIDDLE OF SIN IS I' what do you call it when a member of a congregation ask a pastor why his obedience to malachi & 10% did not work & the pastor said 'ye lack faith' you did not obey? what do you ...more

hey matt

what do you call it when you ask about money & the first thing they say is ' money is the root of all evil'
what do you call it when you ask about self confidence & the answer is 'SIN THE MIDDLE OF SIN IS I'
what do you call it when a member of a congregation ask a pastor why his obedience to malachi & 10% did not work & the pastor said 'ye lack faith' you did not obey?
what do you call it when you ask about common sense in the bible & their answer is THAT IS NOT BIBLICAL.

JUDGING

self confidence is NOT BIBLICAL? let see.
LUKE 13:10-17 when christ saw the crippled woman, he healed her. christ made a DECISION & disobeyed the sabbath law. he was not afraid, nor doubtful. but the pastor cried FOUL & judged him 'it is a sin to heal on a sabbath' the leader of the synagogue was the first to judge.
CHRIST did not undo the healing & came back the next day. if he did, the woman will lose the chance of healing & other people & a pastor will judge her that the reason she is suffering is bec. of SIN.
as a person christ stood up & spoke. he did not let the stupid pastor walk all over him. and that is what christians do all the time is to block answers & give those who are suffering a snake when they were asking for a fish.

luke 18:35-42 the blind man did not obey the people to shut up. he made a decision to cry out without fear, doubt shame. but the first words that comes out of a christian is SIN. which is judging. but when the tables are turned around, their defense is 'YE NOT JUDGE ME.'less

10% belongs to god. most of their tactic is when you give your 10% you will be successful. success is a result of work & skills not give your 10%. many have given their 10% & they were brainwashed. and if it does not work, their first condemnation is 'ye lack faith' ye sinned.

matt the pastors are the messengers of god. the first thing that comes out of their mouth is SIN. I have heard that tactic before. you ask a pastor issues & their first words are SIn, you disobeyed. but they do the same thing, their defense is 'ye not judge me' and who told them to make $100,000 / year? god? show me in the bible that they should make that kind of money? or you don't know it.