Online, when I stated "There is much truth in the Bible, but ALL truth is not in it. There is much truth in other, similar printed works, but ALL truth in not in those, either," you asked, "Care to elaborate? What other printed works are you referring to?" I think that Robert Bly often speaks the truth. I'm not sure about the conference on the Great Mother and the Ne...more

Online, when I stated "There is much truth in the Bible, but ALL truth is not in it. There is much truth in other, similar printed works, but ALL truth in not in those, either,"

you asked, "Care to elaborate? What other printed works are you referring to?"

I think that Robert Bly often speaks the truth. I'm not sure about the conference on the Great Mother and the New Father, since I have not looked into that. Still, I read much truth in the article you will find through this link:

http://www.thesunmagazine.org/_media/article/pdf/341_Bly.pdf

See what you think, Online.less

This is my 4th posting of the same message. It keeps getting deleted. Can the one who is deleting it tell me why, please. Sawnay wrote: "mtgburrell You said:God gave us brains. Use them, folks! Apparently God only gave brains to some and you are not one of them. To say the Bible has only some truth is so idiotic it aint funny. Get redeemed!" A brainy response if I ever read one......more

This is my 4th posting of the same message. It keeps getting deleted. Can the one who is deleting it tell me why, please.

Sawnay wrote: "mtgburrell You said:God gave us brains. Use them, folks!
Apparently God only gave brains to some and you are not one of them. To say the Bible has only some truth is so idiotic it aint funny. Get redeemed!"

A brainy response if I ever read one......

Question to "the deleter" (like "the decider"):

What about this post deserves deleting?less

It certainly is true that - for a leader of our country - I prefer a Christian like Obama to some of the Christians on this Web site.

Online, thanks for that. Really, the only time I get agitated somewhat is when it seems so many people are ganging up on Mike, the gay guy who has such thoughtful and sincere posts. If the only criteria here were "fruits of the spirit," I would have to say that I sense more of those coming from Mike than I do from so many others. Even those who eschew vitriol still seem so condescendi...more

Online, thanks for that.

Really, the only time I get agitated somewhat is when it seems so many people are ganging up on Mike, the gay guy who has such thoughtful and sincere posts. If the only criteria here were "fruits of the spirit," I would have to say that I sense more of those coming from Mike than I do from so many others. Even those who eschew vitriol still seem so condescending to Mike.

As we all know, "tone" is something that is lacking on a bulletin board such as this. "Tone" makes all the difference, when we are agreeing and ESPECIALLY when we are disagreeing with like-minded fellows or with real philosophical adversaries. If I mean something to be snide, I hope it is clear. (After all, a Christian of my variety has taken no pledge to be "sweet" and self-effacing all the time. Or "saccharine," may be a better word....)

Frankly, I believe that the church is changing radically these days. If we were put fifty years hence (in the Christian church of 2059), we maight feel as out of place as even you might feel, were you teleported back to colonial and Puritan New England. I think that the church will change - but it will not be apostate. I believe that the message from Jesus - to love God and love your neighbor - will always break through to those who want to hear it.

But to give you an idea of how differently you and I feel about one topic: Since I first started following the conversations between Mike and others (several months now), I have had three visits from a Jehovah's Witness, once with his nice wife and young daughter. We have touched on many subjects. I think this man realizes that there is really no chance that I will ever attend his church. He stills wants to talk, though, and he is such a kind and obviously dedicated person. As he was preparing to leave last week, I said to him, "You know, if the Jehovah's Witness church is still a going concern 25 years from now, as I fully expect it to be, I think you will have gay clergy." He replied, "I think you are wrong about that, but I'm willing to talk about it next time."

This Witness is vehemently opposed to any "progress" on the part of homosexuals in the U. S. Still, he made that parting remark. I have never heard (read) anyone on CP who seemed to be even as open as this man.less

Or the opinion of millions of your ilk.

Prophet, I just believe that God is bigger than the Bible, bigger than any printed book, bigger than religious dogma - and bigger than your opinion.

Prophet, I just believe that God is bigger than the Bible, bigger than any printed book, bigger than religious dogma - and bigger than your opinion.

You're wrong again, Prophet. But enjoy your smug position. I'm sure it serves you well in daily life.

Blacksho: "mtg: For the last time! Think this through. If Christianity says that it is the ONLY way to eternal life and all other religions are wrong.... Islam says it is the ONLY way to eternal life and all other religions are wrong.... Hinduism says that Christianity AND Islam are wrong... HOW CAN THEY ALL BE RIGHT? And how can the detractors be wrong, if they are debating from a...more

Blacksho: "mtg: For the last time!

Think this through. If Christianity says that it is the ONLY way to eternal life and all other religions are wrong....
Islam says it is the ONLY way to eternal life and all other religions are wrong....
Hinduism says that Christianity AND Islam are wrong...

HOW CAN THEY ALL BE RIGHT?

And how can the detractors be wrong, if they are debating from a religious point that-according to you- is right?"

They can all be right for the believers of each book, Blacksho. Christianity is right (and the only way) for you. Islam is the only way for a Muslim. Hunduism is right for another man. Christianity happens to be right for me, as well. But I cannot force my beliefs on my neighbor. Unfortunately for your in-group, modern people have met and come to know wonderful, loving and helpful people of other religious persuasions. Encounters such as this shake the bigotry out of sensible people's brains.

To ask "How can they all be right?" only displays the finite minds that people - including you and me - have.less

Amen, john!

believer, God will no doubt be able to find room for this good woman. You can stop worrying about her.

I guess "exclusivist" is the 25-cent word I need in that last post - but it's not worth going back, I'm sure you'll agree.

I only meant: You can let go of some of the exclusive dogma that you learned in 5th grade Sunday School. Welcome to a much bigger God. He loves you.

So you are promoting a God of technicalities? That's a pretty small god. No wonder fewer and fewer people choose to follow that one.

"You must be an Obamaite." Indeed I am. Thank God for our new president.

"For many years the devil has been plotting to have control of how the church operates.<----- Yeah that is called Tax exempt incorporated Churches. They are the ones ran by the world system." Sawnay did not have to invoke the devil, and this post is couched in his usual sophomoric screed, but he is absolutely correct on the real point he makes.

Sometimes I get the idea that some "Christians" who post on CP would like to have a Bible-based version of Sharia laws spread across the United States.

"mtg, she doesn't believe in God but she gets it, gets what an eternity separated from God in hell? Because that's indeed what she'll get if she doesn't repent of her sin and turn to God by putting her complete faith/trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone." I think Jesus would prefer you to grow up, believer.

Saw wrote: "I am lovin this Folks. This guy aint been in office for a month and he is already proving he is just like the rest of the buffoons in Washington. He released the terrorists from Cuba and now they are right back at their old tricks of planning to Blow up Americans LOLOLOL. All you so called Christians will one day weep for your thinking this man is anything Christ like LOL" ...more

Saw wrote: "I am lovin this Folks. This guy aint been in office for a month and he is already proving he is just like the rest of the buffoons in Washington. He released the terrorists from Cuba and now they are right back at their old tricks of planning to Blow up Americans LOLOLOL. All you so called Christians will one day weep for your thinking this man is anything Christ like LOL"

Who is more buffoonish, Obama or Saw?

Hmmmmm.....let me think about this one.less

aaron wrote: "We will never and should never quite fit into any human system. I will never be satisfied until the Lord Jesus Christ, my King forever, returns." Why not pray to lose some of your prejudices and enjoy your time on earth? What's wrong with that plan: too pleasant? What do you Puritans want, really? I know Jesus recommended a child-like faith, but - in some department...more

aaron wrote: "We will never and should never quite fit into any human system. I will never be satisfied until the Lord Jesus Christ, my King forever, returns."

Why not pray to lose some of your prejudices and enjoy your time on earth? What's wrong with that plan: too pleasant? What do you Puritans want, really? I know Jesus recommended a child-like faith, but - in some departments - it's really OK for you to grow up. It would be good for you - and for the rest of us, really. For everybody....

But I think many of you just prefer to be hived off in some relatively small (144,000?) "elect" group. Weird....less