Equating Animals with Humans

oldguy »

Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Christians believe that humans on earth are God's most favorite creatures in the massive universe. They believe people were magically created to be separate from the rest of nature. They believe people and only people have an invisible soul that flies up to heaven when the body drops dead.

Do they have any evidence for their childish wild claims? No. Nothing. They don't have one shred of evidence for any of their insane beliefs. It's all wishful thinking by people who are afraid of the dark.

Here's some facts. The soul is an invention. There are no souls. Humans are not special creatures who were magically created to be separate from other animals. All life is related and all creatures living today, including humans, developed from other species. There is absolutely nothing that makes humans different from the rest of life. Humans are just animals. Every species has evolved to be able to survive in the environment it lives in. Every species, including the human ape species, is better in some way than other animals. We have a larger brain, but other animals have advantages we don't have. Humans are not the big deal they think they are.

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oldguy »

Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

angelluv47, Was your high school band praying to God, or were they showing off how holy they were? There is something in the Bible about praying in the closet.

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oldguy »

Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Word of the day:

airhead: a flighty scatterbrained simpleton

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The liars for Jesus never stop lying. They are proud of their dishonesty. They make no attempt to hide it. Anything is justified if it's for Jesus.

For the Christians, nothing is more terrifying than reality. The idea they developed from other animals, instead of being magically created to be separate from nature, scares the heck out of the Christians. They are like little children who are afraid of the dark.

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

One senile person invokes magic and the Christians think that's proof for the invisible man.

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

By the way, ShuckCreations, more than a century has passed since Darwin dropped dead. Do you think scientists have done nothing since then?

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

ShuckCreations: "Obviously a higher power was at work there."

Obviously? Magic is obvious? I suggest you should not be so quick to invoke magic. It makes you look lazy. Another reason to not invoke magic is because it makes you look childish. Imagine a group of scientists trying to solve a problem, and one of the scientists says "I got the answer. God did it!" The other scientists would laugh at the nitwit. You don't want to be laughed at, do you?

Also, ShuckCreations, when you quote a scientist you should provide the whole thing and you should provide a source for the quote. When you select one sentence out of a paragraph, you look extremely dishonest. Creationists do this kind of quote mining all the time. They select a sentence out of context to completely distort what the scientist meant. This tactic always backfires because everyone knows how dishonest it is.

"Piltdown man was a hoax."

So what? Is this your excuse to insult all scientists?

Your Piltdown man is a bad sign. It makes me think you are a total waste of time. Only a creationist would make a big deal out of one dishonest scientist who died many decades ago. It's difficult for me to respect somebody who would insult thousands of scientists because a small number of dead scientists were not honest.

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I just found this quote. This explains why creationists are a waste of time.

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."
[Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research]

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

ShuckCreations: "It's pointless to debate when you're going to be so biased."

I'm not here to debate anything. All debating is pointless. I'm here to educate people.

BTW, why am I biased if I refuse to consider the nonsense and the magic of your disgusting death cult? I thought we were talking about science.

Christians have the unfortunate habit of mixing up scientific facts and supernatural beliefs. These two things are completely separate. Even religious scientists understand how important it is to not invoke God for any scientific problem. They know invoking magic has never answered any question.

Did you look at the amazon customer reviews of the book I recommended? You complained about the fossils, and you insulted the integrity of scientists. Do you still have problems with the fossils? What about all the DNA analysis that biologists use to test for evolutionary relationships? Do you understand how that works?

ShuckCreations, you should consider it a compliment that I talk to you at all. Some people, for example jar1961, are a complete waste of time. I'm probably wrong, but I think there is a very small chance you could understand why every biologist in the world calls evolution a fact.

It would be easier for you if you could at least temporarily set aside your supernatural beliefs, and imagine how the world would work without some invisible man in the sky performing magic tricks.

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

ShuckCreations: "But basically what I'm trying to say is you must look at all aspects of Christianity and Science when coming to a conclusion."

Why should I waste my limited time looking at all aspects of your death cult?

Do you think a scientist would say, after making a scientific discovery, "what would jesus say about this fossil?"

jar1961, you claim you're educated, but I have seen no evidence you graduated from First Grade. Even ShuckCreations pointed out how dumb your question was.

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"There has been no evidence of fossils where evolution has taken place."

sigh.

For your convenience, ShuckCreations, I created this tinyurl for you to look at.

http://tinyurl.com/2z7fhk

This website has amazon.com customer reviews of the book "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters" by Donald R. Prothero. You could buy the book and read it, but it would be enough to read the customer reviews.

"There have been many hoaxes..."

In the future, before you insult the integrity of tens of thousands of scientists, please make some effort to educate yourself first. It's obvious you have no idea how many fossils of transitional species have been found. It's an interesting subject to study. Also interesting is how scientists can use their scientific knowledge to predict where to find the fossils they are looking for. I suggest you learn how Neil Shubin and his team were able to successfully predict where they could find Tiktaalik roseae on an island in the Canadian Arctic.

http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/

"The Search For Tiktaalik: The Transitional Species"

http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/searching4Tik.html

The reason myself and others come here is because we are amazed there are still people who deny the facts of evolution. There could be nothing more interesting than the history of life, but millions of Americans ignore this fascinating history because they would rather believe in magical creation. I can't imagine anything more boring and more lazy than invoking God. Scientists have been learning about the history of life for more than a century. What they have found out is amazing and with every new discovery it becomes even more amazing. What a horrible waste to deny all this rapidly growing knowledge to defend an ancient religious idea like magical creation.

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

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oldguy »

Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

jar1961: "So i will take it you either have no sound scientifc response as to how the first man came into the world as a baby and took care of itself"

Ask an intelligent question and I might answer it. Think about why your question makes no sense. You are making an assumption that shows your total ignorance of science and your complete lack of common sense.

jar1961, with all due respect, it's obvious you are uneducated. There could be no other explanation for your incredibly dumb question. Why don't you spend a few months studying biology and the history of life, then get back to me. Don't be lazy and don't be afraid. Evolution is just science. It won't harm you if you study it.

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oldguy »

Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

By the way Keruso, if the invisible man in the sky didn't invent gravity do you think you would float up into space? Your "God created all natural processes" is childish nonsense.

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oldguy »

Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Keruso, every religious belief you have is wishful thinking. Your beliefs do not have one shred of evidence. You have been brainwashed to believe faith is a virtue, but faith is nothing more than a mental illness. Faith is also a lazy excuse to not think.

All religions exist because people are afraid to think. It's so much safer to blindly accept religious indoctrination. Thinking is dangerous. Thinking is a sin.

"I'm afraid of my Father's disapproval and disappointment."

Right. You live your life being afraid of nothing.

Pathetic. Sickening. Disgusting. I want nothing to do with your childish insane cowardly religion.

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oldguy »

Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"God created all natural processes."

Prove it.

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oldguy »

Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

man was created from the slime pool?

What are you talking about?

It sounds like you think a microscopic living cell gave birth to a modern human.

Do you have any science education at all? Do you know how to spell science?

Are all religious people as uneducated as you are?

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oldguy »

Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

jar1961, your rejection of the science of evolution, and your strange misconceptions about it, is another reason why I think religions harm people.

letsgetreal: "if life really means nothing"

Who said that?

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oldguy »

Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"If you refuse to consider the existence of Gravity, nothing I say or do will help you accept it."

Keruso, Are you sure you want to compare a natural process like gravity to a supernatural idea like heaven?

"If it were not true, the world would have imploded years ago - as it will when God gives into to your wishing and bows completely out of human affairs."

That's an interesting idea. You think a world without God would be even worse than it is now? People would become savages if they didn't have a God to fear?

I have seen no evidence a God sticks its supernatural nose into human affairs. Unfortunately the people who do believe in this God have been killing each other for centuries because they believe in different versions of God.

A minority of humans will always find some excuse to kill each other, but getting rid of the God idea will at least eliminate one of those excuses. Another reason to get rid of the God idea is because it's obviously just a man-made invention.

"I'd rather be wrong and a person I can live with, than wrong and pay the price for all eternity."

Sorry, this idea of yours just makes me glad I don't have the god disease. What a horrible way to waste a life, believing that you need to avoid the wrath of an imaginary bloodthirsty god.

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oldguy »

Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

"Let me ask you.. after man was created from the slime pool... who took care of the baby's need? I mean we both agree that man starts as a baby.. or did the slime pool make them adults?"

I assume you're joking. Certainly you understand our ancestors developed into modern humans about 100,000 or 200,000 years ago, but evolution began after the first living cells appeared almost 4,000,000,000 years ago. A microscopic living cell did not give birth to a modern human. The tree of life took billions of years to develop.

This is a very good question: "And what exactly has atheism done to transform the lives of those seeking hope and purpose in a chaotic world?"

The world is chaotic but my neighborhood is like a paradise to me.

Milton: "The mind is its own place, and of itself can make a Heaven of Hell, or a Hell of Heaven."

Shakespeare: "There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so"

I'm ashamed to say I used to have all the strange Christian beliefs. When I finally figured out it was all a bunch of made up stories, I was very glad to be rid of it. I no longer wasted my day off going to church. I was pleased I was no longer a slave of some man in the sky. Now I knew I had only one life and I understood the importance of making the most of it. Any person can create their own purpose for their life. People should be grateful for the one life they have. It's greedy, not to mention crazy, to wish for a 2nd life in a mythical heaven.

"And..that lie has somehow persevered for 2000 years... that's some lie....."

I agree. The Resurrection of Jesus and the claim he was the son of God, is the biggest hoax in human history. Every generation is brainwashed to believe it, long before they are old enough to think for themselves. When they do grow up, it's too late. Their lives are permanently wasted.