If I used selected and out-of-context quotes in order to say that as a capitalist, I am upholding and advancing Marxist economic ideas, would I be a Marxist or just someone who made a false claim? If others blamed Marx , his works and the ideas expressed in those books as incorrect based on what I said and did, would that make Marx evil and me a disciple of Marx? No and no.

too bad He doesn't command it but keep up the easily shot down silly comments al...

Outside of the multiple-avatar people trolling around CP (which is obvious and been demonstrated multiple times in the past), what was the purpose of this post? A warning (like we don't know this already?)?

Watts is certainly taking on an issue that many would like to avoid, thankfully he is doing so. Hopefully this becomes a well-known wake-up call that is heeded.

Unfortunately this man sounds like Pat Robertson or the late Jerry Falwell. Speak first, think later.

The exclusion has nothing (zero) to do with belief in fasting and prayer. It has to do with the debate on the authenticity of the verse and the debate is based on the manuscript evidence. It is wild accusations like yours that brings shame on honest believers who understand the reasons for the exclusion in modern translations. Just because you have an opinion that is not based on the actual te...more

The exclusion has nothing (zero) to do with belief in fasting and prayer. It has to do with the debate on the authenticity of the verse and the debate is based on the manuscript evidence.

It is wild accusations like yours that brings shame on honest believers who understand the reasons for the exclusion in modern translations. Just because you have an opinion that is not based on the actual textual difficulties but instead on your own fantasy about why it was excluded doesn't mean that you are being a good witness. It is wild accusations like yours that brings shame on His glorious name.less

Amen Torrent!

A perusal of the original KJV demonstrates that it was not accepted as the last word and certainly not as the only translation as the adherents today try to impose on it (1611 translators' notes). The KJV has had many errors over the years that make plain it is not the standard by which other translations are to be judged. A good sight to see just some of the more obvious errors in the KJV and ...more

A perusal of the original KJV demonstrates that it was not accepted as the last word and certainly not as the only translation as the adherents today try to impose on it (1611 translators' notes).

The KJV has had many errors over the years that make plain it is not the standard by which other translations are to be judged. A good sight to see just some of the more obvious errors in the KJV and the KJV-Only adherents is here, http://www.kjv-only.com/

The KJV is beautiful but far from perfect and is not a standard to judge other translations or versions by.less

SB, It is simple really. You are not able to speak intelligently on the subject due to ignorance or impertinence. If you believe Noah thought or thinks that Yahweh is a bully, you will need to quote Noah. In order to quote Noah you must go to the Bible in order to make your case. Since you speak often of how you believe the Bible is bunk and that there is no Yahweh then you can't use it as ...more

SB,

It is simple really. You are not able to speak intelligently on the subject due to ignorance or impertinence.

If you believe Noah thought or thinks that Yahweh is a bully, you will need to quote Noah. In order to quote Noah you must go to the Bible in order to make your case. Since you speak often of how you believe the Bible is bunk and that there is no Yahweh then you can't use it as a source. Since there is no quote from Noah making that claim and even if there was you couldn't accept it because it would be found in the Scriptures, your comment is silly, nonsensical, inane and just plain foolish.

My 10 year old son put that together in less than 35 seconds when I posed the problem to him. And you try to speak of being intelligent and possessing a mind that is ruled by reason...less

Of course Bell is not a universalist because he has redefined universalism. Whether one agrees him or not, he is trying to redefine a pretty unambiguous term.

Christians should be leading the way on this matter, but not to the corrupt standards set by the groups such as GLSN or others (of any political stripe) who use bullying and forced acceptance and support to make themselves feel better about their sin. Christians should be the first to denounce the Satanic minions of Westboro Baptist and the like as well. There is no room for bullying in a decen...more

Christians should be leading the way on this matter, but not to the corrupt standards set by the groups such as GLSN or others (of any political stripe) who use bullying and forced acceptance and support to make themselves feel better about their sin. Christians should be the first to denounce the Satanic minions of Westboro Baptist and the like as well.

There is no room for bullying in a decent society but using bullying tactics to get rid of a bully just replaces the bully.less

Both Jesus and Noah disagree with you. Seems they knew and know God isn't a bully. Silly little comment you made SB...

J, A car design is perfect, as long as the situation is perfect it will do as expected. Earth was created perfect. The Earth is in decay due to the users (that is us) who have caused its downfall. Intelligent design on both. User issues cause design to fail. Only child-like people (or actually children) expect things to run perfectly no matter what they do wrong.

Steve, Darwinian evolutionary theories are not testable because it is about how new species come about which is not re-testible nor reproducible. Trying to claim that Darwinian evolutionary theories are about changes within the same specie istrying to take what was already known and attribute it to Darwinaian thought. It doesn't belong to Darwin or any other molecules-to-man theory, it is no...more

Steve,

Darwinian evolutionary theories are not testable because it is about how new species come about which is not re-testible nor reproducible.

Trying to claim that Darwinian evolutionary theories are about changes within the same specie istrying to take what was already known and attribute it to Darwinaian thought. It doesn't belong to Darwin or any other molecules-to-man theory, it is not the same and we all know it.

Changes within and remaining within a particular group that rearranges information is not the same as the great leap of faith of new information and arrangement creating a new specie. It is not reproducible nor is it falsifiable by its very nature which according to Tempest makes it not a science.less

JB, It seems the only moth here is you. Drawn to a Xian site in order to hang around mainly Xians who are straight while attempting to convert others to your way of thinking. Amazing how JB uses projection and seems oblivious to his problem while trying to paint others as sick like he is...

All in favor of gender-inclusiveness when the context calls for it, which is often. That means not trying to force in inclusive language when it is not textually and contextually called for.

Oh, you mean like Darwinian evolutionary theories where it is not reproducible or re-testable? That sword cuts both ways.

So scared of gays that I spend time with gays like I do with straight people....yes, terrified, terribly, terribly scared.... Homophobe is such an overused and stupid term to be used in general discussions.

Just like a car that breaks down because the owner doesn't take care of it is a sign of the car not being a product of intelligent design...

They are your grapes..