Presbyterians Seek New Passion for Evangelism

pdbrit10 »

Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:09 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

I can tell you why the PCUSA is falling apart. Their own doctrine states that the churches and their property exist for the benefit of the denomination. These are the exact words from their own book of order. Churches exist for the benefit of Jesus Christ, not the denomination. The PCUSA has fallen away from the traditional evangelical principles of the bible and by far raise the Book of Order above the Word of God. They pass "laws" at their GA creating a fund to help local presbyteries fight local churches who want to leave the denomination with their property for biblical reasons. They have erased the moral code from the bible making it possible for church leaders, particularly pastors to act how ever they want sexually and still fill the pulpit. There is no moral standard for leadership in the church. And churches who are trying to be faithful are having to pay a lot of money to leave with their church property. Most of the time, the local church was formed with no such denominational grip on their property and the local congregation paid every red cent and paid for every brick while the denomination paid nothing for it. But because of a trust clause added by the PCUSA that church property benefits the denomination (and not Christ) congregations are losing everything and the presbytery is selling off the churches property. Why? Greed and self preservation and because they wield power like Ceasar not like Jesus. They don't really care to see the work of Christ continue in the local churches, they care about self promotion and preservation. I have seen it with my own two eyes and I know it to be true. They are luke warm, talk out of both sides of their mouth and you can't trust them as far as you can throw them. Look it up for yourself to see if this is not true. I give them 10 years before the whole thing implodes. Sad really, the PCUSA was once a great leader for the cause of Christ. The denomination is being held together by the fear of being taken over by the denomination. The property clause keeps the PCUSA together. Somewhere, Christ mourns. His reputation is being slaughtered by His own people. Why would anyone want to be a presbyterian with all the infighting and back stabbing. They can get that from the culture.

Breakaway Anglican Church Takes Property Case to Supreme Court

pdbrit10 »

Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I am personally experiencing leaving the denomination. And if you are not entangled in it yourself, I don't think you can see the whole picture. Let me just state this: when our church was formed, it was not formed under the current denomination and there were no property issues. Our denomination merged and became a new one. The bool of order is huge and really hard to understand unless you are an attorney, to some degree. When we joined the denomination, we joined under certain club rules that pertained to the year we joined. Since then, the denomination has re-written that book, has lost it's moral plumb-line, and is spiraling to certain denominational death. We did not sign up to be in the club we are in and as hard as we tried and believe me we did - we got on committees galore, to no avail. So, really the denomination has left the churches not the other way around. This is not what we signed up for. And we are prepared to walk away from the building that only we paid for, that the denomination has never paid even one red cent for, not one brick. There are options for churches to be dismissed. The denominations are basically extorting money from the churches for the sake of self preservation - the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil and unfortunately, those trying to get on with the work of Christ, are spending 100's of hours trying to have a building to do it from.