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philomath777's Comments
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Rhi Bran wrote, "Do Christian doctors only treat Christians? In vitro vertalization is not a religious act, it is a medical procedure..."
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In vitro fertilization is not a life-saving procedure, it is an elective procedure. There are plenty of other places that would do this procedure. Medical procedures cannot be separated from ethics or conscience. While you make some good points, it seems to me that you are arguing that the state has the right to rule over an individual's conscience. Would not that line of reasoning suggest that the Pharisees and Sadducees should have had reign over Jesus' conscience? -
Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro
philomath777 »Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:09 pm
Agree: 5 
Disagree: 5
It seems to me that the evolutionists here have not yet "evolved" sufficiently from their defensiveness and insult-permeated character. Maybe more evidence for devolution than evolution...
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Norman wrote: "Philomath-sorry, but it is hate-not simply "disagreeing"-i disagree with religion, but would never vote for their rights to be taken away-that is what is happening-civil righsts are being denied because of "disagreement"-majority disagreed with whites marrying blacks-they claimed biblical reasons-they said they didn't hate, it was just disagreeing-same issues now-straight couples are seen by the law as better than gay couples-that is pure discrimination
We don't need to "win over" anyone-that time is passed. We don't care if you agree with us-we just want our entitled rights-and we WILL get them through legisltaure-the country is still too backwards and bigoted when it comes to civil rights (interracial marraige was still unpopular when it became law thru legilstaure).
The founding fathers had it right-majority cannot vote on rights
Religion's stranglehold on the masses is sickening-glad it is dying off
But we won't wait for the old, fairy tale believers to die off-we will get our rights through the legal process
....I can't believe all of you people who call yourselves christians and support discrimination-if there is ANYTHING God hates, it is hate....
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Norman,
You and your friends talk about civil rights. Is it not possible to be "civil" about it? Insulting and judging others, especially Christians, would not seem to me to be the way to invite others to respect you. Have you considered looking at the hatred in your own heart? Remember, when you point the finger at someone else, 4 other fingers are pointing back at yourself... -
Kim68 wrote..."philomath - if you find it an imposition that other people might have rights equal to yours, that's your problem. Even where people same-sex couples have equal rights, you're free to continue to stroke your ego by thinking that God loves you best and that God thinks that everyone should be more like you. There's no greater arrogance than that.
There's nothing paradoxical about equal rights. Nor is there anything particularly Christian, either, regardless of your peculiar reading of your favorite translation of the ancient texts from a desert tribe on the other side of the world.
Again - the only thing that you achieve by not allowing other people to have the same rights that you take for granted is that you make it more difficult from them to take care of each other and their children. You can puff up your chests about how Godly you are, but your behavior is cruel and mean.
I almost said thoughtless but that would be wrong - you willingly, deliberately choose to deprive other people of equal rights."
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It seems to me that your judgmental attitudes indicate that you are no stranger to arrogance. You ask for respect and yet denigrate others. You are reading in all kinds of things that are a figment of your imagination. You know nothing about me and make all kinds of preposterous assumptions. But hey, that's your choice. However, hysterical reactions leave little room for discussion. -
RealChristian wrote:
philomath777 I assume then you agree with the Louisiana judge who opposes and refuses to marry mixed race couples. Also, I have seen no Christians condemned on this site other then those who use the veil of Christianity to condemn others because of their own personal issues.
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RealChristian,
You do not know what I agree with or don't so don't make that assumption. Jumping to conclusions does not help understanding.
Regarding your comments that Christians are not condemned: You must be reading different comments than I have... And BTW, the ones condemning Christians are using their own veil because of their personal issues, n'est-ce pas? -
Norman wrote, "believer-the only people against same sex marriage are religious people and pure bigots who hate gays. I actually think religious people, who comprise almost 80% of this country, are hiding their hate behind religion (because denying rights to loving adults and their familes is hate, condemning anyone to hell for loving someone is also hate)"
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Norman,
Invoking the "hate" argument is counter-productive and it distorts the fact that many people simply do not agree with the concept of "gay marriage." Equating disagreeing with something with hatred or homophobia is manipulative and untrue. People disagree with others all the time, but that doesn't mean they hate them.
Ad hominem attacks against those who exercise their voting rights by voting in a way you don't agree with, will never win them over but will simply polarize positions and possibly bring out the fringe elements in both groups. If gays would drop the excessive rhetoric, I think there would be a lot less polarization.
It appears to me that gays need to make a distinction between disagreeing and condemnation. Disagreeing does not equal condemning. In addition, it seems to me that gays also have a lot of repenting to do for condemning Christians so vociferously and judging their hearts. -
Kim68, in quoting Slacker's comment, "You people still don't get it do you, this isn't about marriage it is about following the commandments that God has laid down" and then wrote "I am not forcing you to do anything..."
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"Pick. You can have one of these or the other. You are either imposing your view of "God's commandments" on others by trying to make them civil law, or you're not. It can't be both."
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But Kim - you are trying to IMPOSE your law on others! Don't you see the paradox in this? -
Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings
philomath777 »Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:50 pm Agree: 5 Disagree: 2
Alockslee, regarding Philomath777's comment, "If what you say about Josephus is true, it seems that you are loyally following in his footsteps by your own interpolation. Where did I say "plenty of secular, verifiable, valid non-religious historical for jesus"?"
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Wrote In Response: "I quoted your earlier post about and I will paraphrase "lots of historical evidence for christ", well since the f&e crowd claims jesus aka the christ is one and the same, at least thats the the usual rendition that is bantered about I offered you a chance to prove your claims.
Unless of course you know you can't using the standard historical method..." blah, blah, blah
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What a bunch of baloney! Are you so naive that you think people don't see through your denial, rationalization, and wilful refusal to admit you were wrong, and your trying to deflect this by resorting to ad hominem attacks?
Sorry, I can't take you seriously because of your apparent lack of honesty. -
Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings
philomath777 »Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:13 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2
Alockslee wrote, regarding Philomath777, "In Response: Really? You think there is plenty of secular, verifiable, valid non-religious historical for jesus"
Then would you mind addressing the challenge I posted in this thread and please make sure you follow the rules of the challenge.
You may not use Josephus as the experts have determined his writings to contain forgeries or interpolations and please no sites from a religiously biased source only use valid, verifiable secular sources, these sources must not use blanket statements but in fact give the names of any people in which they based their argument on. That means if they say expert they must give the actual names of the expert and not just give numbers, etc."
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If what you say about Josephus is true, it seems that you are loyally following in his footsteps by your own interpolation. Where did I say "plenty of secular, verifiable, valid non-religious historical for jesus"? -
Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings
philomath777 »Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:59 pm Agree: 4 Disagree: 2
u4eeeahhh wrote, "Philomath says "atheists' fear of Christ has never been so evident" - Now that is just plain silly. It's no more a fear based reaction than saying there's no Santa Claus is because of a fear of fat white men.
It is a matter of inappropriate use of public space and preferential treatment that causes the non-believers to reject these sorts of uses of public spaces. Keep your myths where they belong which is not secular government facilities."
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The difference between Santa Claus and Christ is that there is plenty of historical evidence for Christ, not to mention the millions of changed lives. I have never seen an alcoholic restored by belief in Santa Claus but I have seen many restored through Christ.
If you atheists were not afraid of Christ, then you wouldn't bother commenting or try to remove all references to Him in public. Why not come out of your denial? Why not admit that you want to foist your myth of atheism on others? At least we Christians are honest enough to acknowledge our evangelism.
Another one of your myths is preferential treatment. Are you dreaming? Christians are having to fight legally for their rights constantly because of totalitarian-minded atheists. I claim the right to free speech in public spaces - it is not atheist space. If you want to propagate your myth of atheism, go for it, but you will not take away my right. -
Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings
philomath777 »Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:47 pm Agree: 6 Disagree: 3
The atheists' fear of Christ has never been so evident. They can try their best to ban any recognition of Christ but there is one thing they can never ban: the Great White Throne Judgment.
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Universities = institutes of higher learning??????
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Dawkins Refuses to Debate Intelligent Design Scholars
philomath777 »Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:05 am Agree: 14 Disagree: 21
Sounds to me like Dawkins is chicken!
He makes great claims but then refuses to debate those who would question his claims. He rejects God and religion but sneaks his own secular version of papal infallibility through the back door.
Not to mention his ego - that others are leeching off "his fame." His atheism doesn't do much for his prideful attitude. -
Massive Muslim Prayer in D.C. Incites Christian Prayers
philomath777 »Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:37 pm Agree: 6 Disagree: 5
I don't think it's childish, Cindy, if you compare it to Elijah confronting the false prophets of Baal on Mt Carmel...
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'Creation' Producer Blames American Evolution Flap for Film's U.S. Flop
philomath777 »Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:51 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
garageguy wrote, "philomath777, I think you are still missig my point entirely.
"My friend who quit his addiction - of course he did not do it through a "belief in atheism." That is a silly question to even ask."
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You have a charming way with people you disagree with. When you or other atheists contradict others who claim people are transformed through faith in God, then it is natural to ask to what they attribute transformation.
"He did it through a combination of will power, strength, belief in himself, desire to have something better for his life, support from his loved ones, professioanl guidance, and desire to be a better person in the world. Neither religion nor a lack of religion had anything to do with it."
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Good for him. I'm glad he has overcome his difficulties.
"In my opinion, that is the case for everyone who overcomes addictions."
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While I agree that many of the things you mentioned above are very helpful, your "doctrine" is blinding you to other possibilities.
"Some people might attribute their success to a supernatural supreme being, but I simply don't believe in that stuff. If they attribute it to god, that dioesn't mean it WAS god. It means they believe it was a god. HUGE difference."
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Then the same argument APPLIES TO YOU and your friend: he and you believe that he overcame his addiction through his will power, strength, etc. But that doesn't mean it WAS that! You can't have it both ways.
"It doesn't bother me if some people want or need to believe that. But philomath777 you seemed to be implying that people can't quit addictions without belief in the supernatural, which I find to be unsubstantiated hogwash."
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Oh yes it does bother you. Look back at your comments. Obviously, you didn't read my reply to Slacker, who asked me to clarify. -
'Creation' Producer Blames American Evolution Flap for Film's U.S. Flop
philomath777 »Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:49 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
Belhaven wrote, "Philomath, I don't think anyone doubts that belief has power. That does not mean that gods exist."
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Au contraire, Belhaven. Certain atheists not unknown to this site have been denying that belief has power, and specifically belief in God.
"Also, you are confusing atheism with religion again. I guess when the only tool you have is a hammer..."
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It seems to me that your own hammer has "semantics" written on the handle.
""Belief in atheism" doesn't make sense, except to express the belief that some people don't believe in gods. This is a fact, so it does not require belief. You are using the term in the religious sense, however, and I can assure you that not believing in something does not require faith."
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From Dictionary.com
atheism:
1. the DOCTRINE or BELIEF that there is no God.
"I don't believe in levitating monkeys either, and this requires no faith. If someone shows me evidence of the levitating monkeys I'm willing to change my mind, but I would have no faith to challenge. The same goes for the Christian god. Show me solid evidence and I'll change my mind. I have no "faith" in atheism to challenge.”
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The start of this discussion was about atheism vs faith in God. Certain atheists deny that the power of God can transform lives. To deny or disbelieve that means that these atheists believe something else. -
'Creation' Producer Blames American Evolution Flap for Film's U.S. Flop
philomath777 »Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:51 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
Slacker wrote, "philomath777, you seem to be implying that a person can only overcome addictions via belief in a supernatural being. Don't you find that even remotely unreasonable? I have only known one addict (crystal meth). His recovery (12 years and going strong) had nothing whatsoever do do with belief in a supernatural being. Does that mean it didn't happen? " God Helped me Quit Smoking, just because you don't believe God could do that, does it make it wrong???"
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No, not at all. I'm glad for the meth addict who recovered and anyone who breaks the power of addictions by whatever means possible because of the terrible toll they take on people's lives. I'm talking, within the larger context of faith in God vs atheism, about a specific addict population that has tried "will power" for years and continually relapses until they come to faith in God - which includes thousands and thousands of people.
garageguy stated categorically: "As an objective person I would say that is evidence of that person having the will and strength they needed to make that change. Period."
garageguy's a priori atheistic beliefs exclude any other explanation, esp. that so many could experience changed lives through the supernatural power of God. I counter his arguments by saying that I have not seen one person set free from addictions by belief in atheism. You mentioned your friend who was a meth addict broke his addiction without belief in a supernatural being. Fine. But did he do it by belief in atheism?
garageguy claims I am "dumb" (which he is free to do - I won't lose sleep over that), which I find interesting for someone who claims to be so intelligent - his statements not only contradict the personal experience of thousands of transformed lives through faith in God, but also contradict generally accepted principles of addiction recovery.
In any case, apart from the topic of breaking addictions, there is also the larger, important question of salvation through faith in God vs atheism. And it is from that debate that the subject of addictions "evolved." -
'Creation' Producer Blames American Evolution Flap for Film's U.S. Flop
philomath777 »Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:18 pm Agree: 6 Disagree: 0
garageguy wrote, “…Why are such simple things so hard to grasp for people like philomath777? It's almost like your religion dumbs you down. Or is it that those who are dumber are more likely to believe in the first place?”
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My, my, ad hominem, ad hominem. It seems the forementioned and vaunted “atheistic humanitarian impulse” has taken a nosedive. It’s okay – I understand – I used to live in delusions too until I came to Jesus. Why not give up all the pretenses at omniscience and find some rest for your soul? It will “dumb down” your anger, pride and sin but you will be a lot happier… -
'Creation' Producer Blames American Evolution Flap for Film's U.S. Flop
philomath777 »Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:04 pm Agree: 6 Disagree: 0
garageguy wrote, “philomath777, dearest, what is that evidence of to you? If a drunk stops drinking or a drug addict stops taking drugs, as an objective person I would say that is evidence of that person having the will and strength they needed to make that change. Period.”
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You might be an expert in the garage, but have you ever worked with alcoholics or drug addicts? If you shared your “objective” insights above at an AA meeting, several eyeballs might roll, some might quietly chuckle, most would try to be polite – and you would hear testimony after testimony of those who tried for years to conquer their addiction through their will and strength, yet continually relapsed, until they turned to God. Someone might ask you about your denial and delusional issues. You might want to hang out at some rehab places if you really want to be “objective.” BTW, how many addicts have found freedom through atheism? I’ve never met one yet. Period. It’s really quite simple: no God, no deliverance. So who is being more objective about the evidence of transformed lives here – you or thousands of former addicts transformed by the power of God? -
'Creation' Producer Blames American Evolution Flap for Film's U.S. Flop
philomath777 »Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:41 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 0
Belhaven wrote to Philomath,
"For those who have been deluded into thinking that atheism is some kind of religion, what you said might make sense. Fortunately this is not the case. Your reasoning on this topic is based on a false premise. Absence of faith is not a kind of faith. Atheism is not a cause. Atheism only exists as a concept because of what religious people believe."
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Atheism only exists as a concept because of what religious people believe?? Now that’s a good one. I didn’t realize we Christians held so much power over you atheists!
Absence of faith is not a kind of faith? Baloney! If you reject faith in God, then you have faith in something else, whether yourself, an impersonal evolutionary principle, the bogeyman, whatever…
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"You have implied that atheists have no humanitarian impulse and are without charity. This is not only false, it is absurd. It is also highly insulting to those of us who give to and volunteer for charities."
Atheists are still created in the image of God, so sometimes that image shines through, even though atheists would try to ban all Christian charities. Sorry, I didn’t realize atheists are so thin-skinned – they have no problem insulting Christians but can’t take it when atheist delusions are thrown back at them. Maybe the atheists need a "crutch?"
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"There are no model train builder soup kitchens. They must not care about anyone. What about landscapers? No landscaper's Africa relief fund? ... this is exactly what your accusations sound like to an atheist."
Sorry. Does not compute.
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"Atheist is simply one description that many people have in common. Atheism does not define one's moral positions or efforts."
Stalin and Pol Pot would agree with you.
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"There are secular/non-religious charities, and that is good enough for me. We don't need "atheist" charities. An atheist charity labeled as such might imply taking advantage of those who are in need in order to spread propaganda, like many Christian charities do."
I see you atheists are talented at sweeping generalizations! And at denial. What about all the atheist bus ads trying to spread the atheist delusions? BTW, here's what one of your fellow atheists claims about Africa needing missionaries: http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081230/atheist-africa-needs-god-not-just-aid.htm
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"Filling someone's starving belly and then praying with them about salvation is a pretty cheap trick."
Right. Just ask the thousands of reformed alcoholics and drug users transformed by the power of Christ if being saved was a “cheap trick!” You atheists sound like the old communists who boasted, "We’ll put a new suit on every man." Jesus says, "I’ll put a new man in every suit."
Why don't you leave your delusions at the cross and come to Jesus? He doesn't play favorites and will change your life too!
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