cmdvimes wrote, "So the loss of special privileges is the same as persecution and intolerance now?" ---- So gays portraying themselves as persecuted victims for not having the privilege to marry should shut up, eh?

JT, you're just another 3rd rate pseudo-intellectual troll. Yawn.

Chris-n-AR wrote, "Dan: That book Overhauling of Straight America/After the Ball that you and philo have fallen in love with is little more than a coffee table accessory for most Gay people, if they even have a copy of it…" --- Regardless of whether they have read it or not, the tactics have been widely adopted by the gay community. We see it right here on CP.

JohnBartlett writes, "...One has to wonder how you can choose to be so un-Christian to others who disagree with you." ---- JB, you are following to a tee the tactics of The Overhauling of Straight America… anybody who disagrees with the gay agenda, attempt to discredit them, marginalize them… repeat loudly and continually the deception. When gays can't respond, resort to ad hominem innuendo...more

JohnBartlett writes, "...One has to wonder how you can choose to be so un-Christian to others who disagree with you."
----
JB, you are following to a tee the tactics of The Overhauling of Straight America… anybody who disagrees with the gay agenda, attempt to discredit them, marginalize them… repeat loudly and continually the deception. When gays can't respond, resort to ad hominem innuendos. Instead of answering questions, deflect.

John, for the thousandth time, we see through the gay agenda manipulation. You can accuse Christians of all kind of things if you wish - your choice - we won't lose any sleep over it. One thing you cannot accuse us of: not proclaiming to you plainly the Word of God and the need to repent of sin.less

gdbrown, you mention to MaxVertas his need of editing. Might you take your own advice? What you have written does not show me how The Overhauling of Straight America is a discredited source. Why is it you water down what gays say while at the same time claiming that Christian sources are dishonest? It seems to me that your bias is showing through very blatantly.

So gdbrown says that the slideshow link that I mentioned "should be illegal to post." Then he refers me to a link on "religious tolerance" after his INTOLERANT statement. The same web site states in their statement of beliefs: "That freedom of speech is one of our most important rights. This includes the freedom to compare the beliefs of faith groups with each other, with the findings of scien...more

So gdbrown says that the slideshow link that I mentioned "should be illegal to post." Then he refers me to a link on "religious tolerance" after his INTOLERANT statement.

The same web site states in their statement of beliefs: "That freedom of speech is one of our most important rights. This includes the freedom to compare the beliefs of faith groups with each other, with the findings of science, and withinformation from other sources."

So the site he sends me to contradicts gdbrown's INTOLERANCE. Because he doesn't offer any counter-rebuttal to the points made in the slideshow I linked, I can only conclude he calls it dishonest because it contradicts his pro-gay, intolerant stand. Par for the course. Good night.less

johnson, you're not being logical. You state: "…tell you what, when Xians stop trying to impose their religion on the whole of society then you will not see the likes of me on CP. " Did CP impose Christianity on you? NO! You CHOSE to log in to this site. So you're saying because you're ticked off by some Christian somewhere, you have the right to passively-aggressively blame shift on to other...more

johnson, you're not being logical. You state: "…tell you what, when Xians stop trying to impose their religion on the whole of society then you will not see the likes of me on CP. "

Did CP impose Christianity on you? NO! You CHOSE to log in to this site. So you're saying because you're ticked off by some Christian somewhere, you have the right to passively-aggressively blame shift on to other Christians your issue. So, if a Muslim shopkeeper rips me off, does that give me the right to go steal from a different Muslim shopkeeper? Of course not! Does your atheistic/agnostic religion have an ethical framework? Sour grapes don't make for good logic or ethics.less

Factual evidence about what? For example, take a look at this slide show about the myth of being born gay: http://standardofliberty.org/audio%20and%20video%20files/whiteheadbornthatwaypdfslideshow.pdf

gd, pro-homosexual marketing repetition, yes, factual evidence, no.

Hey Johnson, you don't seem to have a problem butting into the business of a Christian web site, do you? You don't seem to have a problem making intolerant remarks about Christians, do you? Apart from your hypocrisy, what do you have that is better than Christianity? Cynical emptiness? (and apart from that, I agree with you that some, proclaiming themselves to be "Christian," have done horribl...more

Hey Johnson, you don't seem to have a problem butting into the business of a Christian web site, do you? You don't seem to have a problem making intolerant remarks about Christians, do you? Apart from your hypocrisy, what do you have that is better than Christianity? Cynical emptiness?

(and apart from that, I agree with you that some, proclaiming themselves to be "Christian," have done horrible things in the name of God, just as atheists have done horrible things. The flip side is that many wonderful things have been done in the name of God. Which side will you choose?)less

My, my, GoodWife sure has an uptight codified system herself that she's in denial about, and she's "willing to fight at every turn." Um, I think I'll stick with my codified system - it's much less uptight. In any case, I bless you to have a good day, GoodWife, and hope you find peace.

well johnson, if your wish that Christians be run out of their homes and sent to concentration camps comes true, you won't have the Christian Post to post your invective. Now, that would be tragic.

Ed, you stated, "I thought it was St. Francis who said it, but I just googled it, and it turns out it was Stephen Covey who said, "Seek first to understand, then to be understood." Those are good words for all us to heed, even if they don't come from a "saint."" I beg to differ, but it looks like Covey got it from the Prayer of St. Francis, one line which reads, "grant that I may not so much se...more

Ed, you stated, "I thought it was St. Francis who said it, but I just googled it, and it turns out it was Stephen Covey who said, "Seek first to understand, then to be understood." Those are good words for all us to heed, even if they don't come from a "saint.""

I beg to differ, but it looks like Covey got it from the Prayer of St. Francis, one line which reads, "grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand."

I used to sing this prayer. Google the Prayer of St. Francis.less

The gay apologetic for promoting sin boils down to 5 predictable tactics in various ordering: 1) discredit orthodoxy and re-interpret the Bible to justify sin 2) discredit and marginalize ANY quoted sources that disagree with homosexuality 3) exaggerate or deflect from the question at hand when cornered 4) make ad hominem character attacks on those who disagree, dishonestly manipulati...more

The gay apologetic for promoting sin boils down to 5 predictable tactics in various ordering:

1) discredit orthodoxy and re-interpret the Bible to justify sin

2) discredit and marginalize ANY quoted sources that disagree with homosexuality

3) exaggerate or deflect from the question at hand when cornered

4) make ad hominem character attacks on those who disagree, dishonestly manipulating disagreement into charges of "homophobia, hatred and bigotry", playing the victim card, while at the same time denying their own bigotry.

5) repeat ad infinitum the above 4, using the old marketing adage that if you repeat something - even deception - often enough, people will start believing itless

tempest, take the time to read The Overhauling of Straight America. It delineates masterfully the dishonest gay agenda, written by a gay. Gays here at CP discredit any source I quote (in following the tactics of the above writing), so now I'll quote one of their own. This will be interesting to see if they choose to discredit a fellow gay or acknowledge their following of the manipulative gay ...more

tempest, take the time to read The Overhauling of Straight America. It delineates masterfully the dishonest gay agenda, written by a gay.

Gays here at CP discredit any source I quote (in following the tactics of the above writing), so now I'll quote one of their own. This will be interesting to see if they choose to discredit a fellow gay or acknowledge their following of the manipulative gay agenda.less

We see the implementing of the tactics of The Overhauling of Straight America employed here again and again by the gay posse. Anything that challenges their sin is a threat and so the marginalization tactic is used. We see through you guys. No matter what source I could quote, you would discredit it. If you want to deny the medical realities, that's your choice - live in denial. So why don't you c...more

We see the implementing of the tactics of The Overhauling of Straight America employed here again and again by the gay posse. Anything that challenges their sin is a threat and so the marginalization tactic is used. We see through you guys. No matter what source I could quote, you would discredit it. If you want to deny the medical realities, that's your choice - live in denial. So why don't you comment on Kirk and Pill's The Overhauling of Straight America? It's written by one of your own and the the tactics are quite clear. Do you discredit one of your own gay authors because he describes in plain words the gay agenda that you are following?less

JB is using the old gay "let's reinterpret the Bible" tactic employed by fallen priest John McNeill's 1976 in his "classic," The Church and the Homosexual. A subsequent generation has picked up on this. As Ronald G. Lee states: ...that book is like what "The Communist Manifesto" was to Soviet Russia. Most of the book is devoted to offering alternative interpretations of the biblical passages co...more

JB is using the old gay "let's reinterpret the Bible" tactic employed by fallen priest John McNeill's 1976 in his "classic," The Church and the Homosexual. A subsequent generation has picked up on this.

As Ronald G. Lee states: ...that book is like what "The Communist Manifesto" was to Soviet Russia. Most of the book is devoted to offering alternative interpretations of the biblical passages condemning homosexuality, and to putting the anti-homosexual writings of the Church Fathers and scholastics into historical context in a way that renders them irrelevant and even offensive to modern readers, couched in the language of scholarship, and they sounded plausible.

McNeill, like most of the members of his camp, treated the debate over homosexuality as first and foremost a debate about the proper interpretation of texts, texts such as the Sodom story in the Bible and the relevant articles of the Summa. The implication was that once those were reinterpreted, or rendered irrelevant, the gay rights apologists had prevailed, and the door was open for practicing homosexuals to hold their heads up high in church (instead of acknowledging their sin).less

MichaelLBrown, Thank you for replying. I will look at your web site.

JB repeats his repetitive mantra in a vain effort to justify his sin. “We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, ‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’” (Acts 26:14 NIV) Help is available in God's grace to repent.

JB, you fear and ignorance comment again demonstrates you are following the agenda of he Overhauling of Straight America to try to marginalize those who disagree with the practice of homosexuality.