Atheists Sue to Take 'God' Out of Obama Inauguration

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Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

If a Christian doesn't agree with somebody, he censors him.

Atheist: Africa Needs God, Not Just Aid

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Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"The problems in Africa cannot be solved with aid money alone, but Africans need to know God, contends an atheist journalist and former politician."

Would this fake atheist say the same thing about Sweden? No, he wouldn't, because he's obviously a racist. He certainly doesn't speak for the more than one billion atheists of the world. The vast majority of atheists would like to see the complete eradication of religious insanity from the world, and most atheists would agree all religions are insane.

By the way, how many people were murdered for god today? I'm sick of religious violence and it's never going to end until every preacher, every priest, every rabbi, and every cleric drops dead.

Anti-Theist: Christianity is Bad for the World

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Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

"For instance, the church said that the universe revolved around the earth, but later it was discovered that the planets orbit the sun. All Christians also believed that the Genesis account was the literal events of creation until science introduced evolution and believers had to revisit or revise what they believed was the truth."

More than a century ago biologists accepted evolution as fact, but today millions of Christians, especially in brain-dead America, still deny the facts of evolutionary biology, and they still try to suppress the teaching of evolution.

This is a good example of the immorality of Christians. They want to destroy science education because modern biology threatens their childish belief in magic. These scientifically illiterate Christians are not satisfied with destroying the lives of their own children. They want to force their insanity on everyone else's children. Christians are the most immoral people in human history. They are good for nothing but getting in the way of human progress.

Anti-Theist: Christianity is Bad for the World

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Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

The plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge in having key decisions being made by religious people, by irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass, but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken. George Bush prayed a lot about Iraq, but he didn't learn a lot about it.

Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith and enable and elevate it are our intellectual slave holders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction.

Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says "I'm willing Lord, to do whatever you want me to do". But since there are no actual gods talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas...

This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and recognize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you actually comes at a terrible price.

If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence and shear ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife for the true devils of extremism that draw their legitimacy from the millions of their fellow followers.

-- Bill Maher, Religulous

Anti-Theist: Christianity is Bad for the World

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Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Even if all atheists were serial killers, that wouldn't be evidence for your childish belief in a magic god fairy. The fact is our prisons are full of Christians. There's virtually no atheists in American prisons because unlike Christians, atheists have moral values, and also, in general, atheists are much more educated than Christians.

The most important difference between Christians and atheists is Christians are liars. They are constantly lying to their own children about science. That's child abuse and there's no excuse for it. Christians should be ashamed of themselves.

Anti-Theist: Christianity is Bad for the World

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Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

paul1149, The atheist you talked about is called a "LIAR" because he's not really an atheist.

The only thing worse than a Christian is a Christian pretending to be an atheist, and that's what your liar is.

Anti-Theist: Christianity is Bad for the World

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Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

"A best-selling atheist author claims that Christianity not only falsely takes credit for good in the world, but actually promotes immorality."

It's immoral to mentally abuse children and that's what millions of Christian parents do every day. When they're not lying to children about Jeebus, they're lying to children about evolutionary biology.

Americans' Confidence in Religion Waning, Poll Finds

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Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:16 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

"A recent Gallup Poll found that just 27 percent of Americans perceive religion's influence to be on the upswing while 67 percent of Americans say religion as a whole is losing influence on American life."

That's encouraging news. America is the most medieval country in the Western world. It's about time we grow up and join the 21st century.

Obama Chooses Lincoln's Bible for Inauguration

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

jlew wrote: "I pray you awaken to Reality in the Person of Jesus before the day when mercy and justice will be sorted out."

Praying is talking to yourself. Your Jeebus is dead.

bossmanham: "Mr. Obama is no Abraham Lincoln."

How do you know? Why don't you wait and see how he does.

Since our economy is very bad and getting worse, and since who knows what problems America will have in the near future, you should hope Obama is another Lincoln.

Obama Chooses Lincoln's Bible for Inauguration

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Christian love from thelordismylight: "Just leave."

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

The following paragraph is from a book that was recently published by the National Academy of Sciences.

"Creationists sometimes claim that scientists have a vested interest in the concept of biological evolution and are unwilling to consider other possibilities. But this claim, too, misrepresents science. Scientists continually test their ideas against observations and submit their work to their colleagues for critical peer review of ideas, evidence, and conclusions before a scientific paper is published in any respected scientific journal. Unexplained observations are eagerly pursued because they can be signs of important new science or problems with an existing hypothesis or theory. History is replete with scientists challenging accepted theory by offering new evidence and more comprehensive explanations to account for natural phenomena. Also, science has a competitive element as well as a cooperative one. If one scientist clings to particular ideas despite evidence to the contrary, another scientist will attempt to replicate relevant experiments and will not hesitate to publish conflicting evidence. If there were serious problems in evolutionary science, many scientists would be eager to win fame by being the first to provide a better testable alternative. That there are no viable alternatives to evolution in the scientific literature is not because of vested interests or censorship but because evolution has been and continues to be solidly supported by evidence."

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Online4Him wrote "Darwins theory is exactly that, a theory . . ."

You don't understand the definition of a scientific theory.

This is from a book published by the National Academy of Sciences:

"Is evolution a theory or a fact? It is both. But that answer requires looking more deeply at the meanings of the words theory and fact".

"The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. The theory of evolution is supported by so many observations and confirming experiments that scientists are confident that the basic components of the theory will not be overturned by new evidence."

"Scientists use the term 'fact' to refer to a scientific explanation that has been tested and confirmed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing it or looking for additional examples. In that respect, the past and continuing occurrence of evolution is a scientific fact. Because the evidence supporting it is so strong, scientists no longer question whether biological evolution has occurred and is continuing to occur. Instead, they investigate the mechanisms of evolution, how rapidly evolution can take place, and related questions."

"Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation.
Not so in science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena."

"A good example is the theory of gravity. After hundreds of years of observation and experiment, the basic facts of gravity are understood. The theory of gravity is an explanation of those basic facts. Scientists then use the theory to make predictions about how gravity will function in different circumstances. Such predictions have been verified in countless experiments. Evolution stands on an equally solid foundation of observation, experiment, and confirming evidence."

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

steveh20, thanks for that information.

Online4Him wrote: "Darwins theory is exactly that, a theory . . ."

steveh20, Would you mind explaining to Online4Him what a scientific theory is. I'll get to it later if you don't.

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Daniel Paul, if you want to invoke magic to explain how life got a foothold on earth, that's fine with me. Hide your God-of-the-Gaps there if you want. Just don't be too disappointed when scientists chase it out of there.

Whatever process caused the first simple living cells to develop, biologists know that after that life branched out into millions of different species, thanks to natural selection, genetic drift, sexual selection, and other mechanisms of evolution. Biologists know supernatural intervention was not needed for any of these natural processes.

You can quote your worthless Bible all you want, but the evidence for evolution is not going to go away. In fact the evidence is growing rapidly and becoming more powerful every single day.

I will continue to claim the evolution deniers are willfully ignorant until somebody here at least tries to understand the ERV evidence I explained earlier, hopefully without running to their favorite Liar for Jebus, and hopefully trying to understand instead of looking for imaginary problems.

I noticed I have virtually every single biologist on my side, so your magical creation side looks awfully weak.

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

"Today, we know that there is no such thing as a (simple) cell."

Do you really think the first living cells, which developed almost Four Billion years ago, were as complex as they are today?

"random chance cannot explain the complexities of life."

I don't think you understand how evolution works. The natural selection of favorable mutations is NOT random. Mutations are random, but the survival of animals who have what it takes to live long enough to pass on their genes to the next generation is not random.

Just to get back on topic:

"It's quite a reversal of fortune for Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), who made the first complete astronomical telescope and used it to gather evidence that the Earth revolved around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe."

Before the 17th century people believed the sun circled the earth. Today every educated person in the world agrees the earth circles the sun.

Ancient people had no understanding of science, so they made conclusions about what they saw, and they saw the sun rising in the East and setting in the West. So they thought the Sun was going around the Earth. They didn't know the earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours.

Today, the evolution deniers look at the complexity of life, and because they have an inferior education in biology (not their fault), they conclude the only possible explanation was the magical creation of every creature. They don't understand natural selection, and they don't understand any other facts of biology.

The difference between the ancient people who lived before Galileo, and the 21st century evolution deniers, is those ancient people had a good excuse for their ignorance. Today, there's no excuse for not understanding evolutionary biology. I admit America's science education is terrible, but anyone can get on the internet or go to the library and make an effort to understand the facts of evolution. Instead the 21st century creationists just completely ignore the massive evidence for evolution, and they refuse to make any effort to understand how evolution works. Willfully ignorant is a very fair description of evolution deniers.

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"If the concept of natural selection is clearly untestable, why does the theory of biological evolution continue to dominate the field of biology?"

A better question would be why did you write "If the concept of natural selection is clearly untestable"?

That concept has been tested for 150 years and it's passed every test.

Willfully ignorant is a fair description of creationists who refuse the understand the ERV evidence I explained in a previous comment.

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Evidence-free claim: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

I got the evidence from molecular biology. Your Bible quotes are meaningless babbling.

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"you have yet to explain how life began"

There's still no consensus on how the first simple living cells developed, but there is absolutely no question about the basic facts of biological evolution, which of course began after life got a foothold on earth.

The evolution deniers of the 21st century are no less wrong than the Galileo deniers of the 17th century. Science always wins.

I know this is wasted on the willfully ignorant who will just run to their favorite "Liars for Jesus" website for their usual Christian dishonesty. But this 10 minute video should be watched:

"Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs) are the relics of ancient viral infections preserved in our DNA. The odd thing is many ERVs are located in exactly the same position on our genome and the chimpanzee genome. There are two explanations for the perfectly matched ERV locations. Either it is an unbelievable coincidence that viruses just by chance inserted in exactly the same location in our genomes, or humans and chimps share a common ancestor. It was our common ancestor that was infected, and we both inherited the ERVs. ERVs provide the closest thing to a mathematical proof for evolution. And remember, ERVs are just one of the millions of FACTS that support the theory of evolution. Think about it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"The church denounced Galileo's theory as dangerous to the faith, but Galileo defied its warnings. Tried as a heretic in 1633 and forced to recant, he was sentenced to life imprisonment, later changed to house arrest."

Today Christian extremists are making the same mistake the Catholic Church made four centuries ago. Their denial of the facts of evolutionary biology is making them look like fools, no less foolish than the Catholics who criticized Galileo.

In every conflict between science and religion, science has always won and always will win. Religions must accommodate modern scientific discoveries, because scientists will never accommodate any medieval religious belief, including the childish idea a god fairy magically created people and other creatures out of nothing.

Here's a quote from the wife of Carl Sagan:

"And I would celebrate Charles Darwin for having the most revolutionary concept in human history, the one idea that could completely dethrone the patriarchal chains that kept us from seeing who we really are and for his undoing of what is I think the most nefarious lie and that is that we were created separately from the rest of nature."

-- Ann Druyan

http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2008/12/advent-podcasts-day-19-ann-druyan.html

Obama Chooses Lincoln's Bible for Inauguration

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Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"His denial of the supernatural will come to a screeching halt--and that right soon."

Translation: "my invisible friend will torture you because you're not stupid enough to believe in my invisible friend."

Supernatural is just another word for magic. Even children, unless they were mentally abused by their brain-dead parents, don't believe in magic.