Seventh Day Adventist on the attack! Defend that Sat. I think somebody wants to debate. All I put was the LORDS DAY. Let's not debate the sabbath, scripture will win that one and I am speaking of the 10 commandments and in the N.T. You can fight over the day, I will keep the Lord's Day on Sunday. Thank you.

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Oops! Wrong article posting. It can apply to this one though too. Hagee should be getting excited that Iran would have Nuclear capability, it's a big part of his prophetic time chart plans. Maybe they are looking for another country to choose, just in case Iran doesn't fit in there Bible plan. Let's see in the 80's they had Russia, oops, then China,oops, then the big bad European Union and the Eur...more

Oops! Wrong article posting. It can apply to this one though too. Hagee should be getting excited that Iran would have Nuclear capability, it's a big part of his prophetic time chart plans. Maybe they are looking for another country to choose, just in case Iran doesn't fit in there Bible plan. Let's see in the 80's they had Russia, oops, then China,oops, then the big bad European Union and the Euro, oops! They can't just seem to get it straight.less

This is crazy! What such churches would do that? I mean if you believe in PreTrib Theology and are constantly looking for the Anti-Christ and reading the middle east news everyday, keeping a close eye on Iran. Getting excited whenever your churches have a prophecy conference update and making sure you are ready for the "secret rapture". This should be good news to you then. To us who believe diffe...more

This is crazy! What such churches would do that? I mean if you believe in PreTrib Theology and are constantly looking for the Anti-Christ and reading the middle east news everyday, keeping a close eye on Iran. Getting excited whenever your churches have a prophecy conference update and making sure you are ready for the "secret rapture". This should be good news to you then. To us who believe different, well you can see why some churches support this. I remember when the Soviet Union was the major threat, and in the Eighties every Pre-Triber thought it was the end. Then the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Communist Party fell. Then the pre-tribers needed to change their theology. Then it's China, that's not working so somewhere now it's Iran. That whole eschatology has fallen apart and people like John Hagee, Thomas Ice, John Wolvard, Tim LaHaye, Chuck Smith, Moody and Dallas Schools keep trying to restructure this and say they made mistakes on dates, times and countries. The rapture happened 3 times in the eighties according to them. And we are all still here according to their "Israel" time maps. Gee I wonder?less

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This is crazy! What such churches would do that? I mean if you believe in PreTrib Theology and are constantly looking for the Anti-Christ and reading the middle east news everyday, keeping a close eye on Iran. Getting excited whenever your churches have a prophecy conference update and making sure you are ready for the "secret rapture". This should be good news to you then. To us who believe diffe...more

This is crazy! What such churches would do that? I mean if you believe in PreTrib Theology and are constantly looking for the Anti-Christ and reading the middle east news everyday, keeping a close eye on Iran. Getting excited whenever your churches have a prophecy conference update and making sure you are ready for the "secret rapture". This should be good news to you then. To us who believe different, well you can see why some churches support this. I remember when the Soviet Union was the major threat, and in the Eighties every Pre-Triber thought it was the end. Then the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Communist Party fell. Then the pre-tribers needed to change their theology. Then it's China, that's not working so somewhere now it's Iran. That whole eschatology has fallen apart and people like John Hagee, Thomas Ice, John Wolvard, Tim LaHaye, Chuck Smith, Moody and Dallas Schools keep trying to restructure this and say they made mistakes on dates, times and countries. The rapture happened 3 times in the eighties according to them. And we are all still here according to their "Israel" time maps. Gee I wonder?less

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Show me in scripture where it is just plain wrong? I want scripture answers , not emotional ones. Moses was a murderer. Paul was that and more. David was a adulterer and murderer. So did the church and God hold that against them? Or did He forgive them and cleanse them? Did Jesus come and save the perfect, Havard Grad that was well educated, good clean reputation, has lots of friends and money, (...more

Show me in scripture where it is just plain wrong? I want scripture answers , not emotional ones. Moses was a murderer. Paul was that and more. David was a adulterer and murderer. So did the church and God hold that against them? Or did He forgive them and cleanse them? Did Jesus come and save the perfect, Havard Grad that was well educated, good clean reputation, has lots of friends and money, (not saying he can't.) He came for the reviled wretched sinner. And to use him for His Glory, like Paul the hater of the church, like David and Moses the murderer.less

He is such a terrible sinner! As I read most of these comments, I hear so many righteous people, so many perfect people that never needed to be delivered from sin. Or should I just say those here atleast there sin wasn't as bad as his. God changes and forgives terrible sinners. I am so tired of all the so called righteous people in the churches today, as if they have no sin or there sin is better...more

He is such a terrible sinner! As I read most of these comments, I hear so many righteous people, so many perfect people that never needed to be delivered from sin. Or should I just say those here atleast there sin wasn't as bad as his. God changes and forgives terrible sinners. I am so tired of all the so called righteous people in the churches today, as if they have no sin or there sin is better than the next persons. "ALL HAVE SINNED" People (some of you) get off the high horses. Christ died for sinners. And sorry, but you can not determine who He forgives. Or who He will restore and use for His purpose. God takes the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. We may not agree on his crime, but that is up to God, not those on this site.less

1 Timothy 3:7. I guess the chief sinner of them all and writer of Timothy, the Apostle Paul didn't qualify himself since his past was terrible. Use that in context, meaning the scripture, not according to some bias you may have. It is about having a good report while you have been a Christian, because if it was about our past then none of us would be qualified. (If he is changed and his life now p...more

1 Timothy 3:7. I guess the chief sinner of them all and writer of Timothy, the Apostle Paul didn't qualify himself since his past was terrible. Use that in context, meaning the scripture, not according to some bias you may have. It is about having a good report while you have been a Christian, because if it was about our past then none of us would be qualified. (If he is changed and his life now points to Christ, then it's in order with Gods word.)less

1 Timothy 3:7. I guess the chief sinner of them all and writer of Timothy, the Apostle Paul didn't qualify himself since his past was terrible. Use that in context, meaning the scripture, not according to some bias you may have. It is about having a good report while you have been a Christian, because if it was about our past then none of us would be qualified.

Romans 13. Romans 13! Regardless what any man thinks. Gods Word overrides all other thoughts and opinions. Regardless if you like Obama or not, God is the one who raised him up and placed him in the position as US President. How many times did God raise up ungodly rulers over Israel? The Lord has given a rebellious people what they wanted. Our country is no different, people need to quit complaini...more

Romans 13. Romans 13! Regardless what any man thinks. Gods Word overrides all other thoughts and opinions. Regardless if you like Obama or not, God is the one who raised him up and placed him in the position as US President. How many times did God raise up ungodly rulers over Israel? The Lord has given a rebellious people what they wanted. Our country is no different, people need to quit complaining and start repenting and praying for Christianity in this nation to be revived once again.less

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Money, Power, and Politics. I thought we separated ourselves from the Roman Catholic church. Instead most of our Evangelical churches are lining themselves right back up with Rome. Our Christian pastors and churches sit to comfortable in our time today. Unfortunately this comes at the cost of misleading many people. Money, Power, Position, men pleasing or the Word of God? Look around you and you ...more

Money, Power, and Politics. I thought we separated ourselves from the Roman Catholic church. Instead most of our Evangelical churches are lining themselves right back up with Rome. Our Christian pastors and churches sit to comfortable in our time today. Unfortunately this comes at the cost of misleading many people. Money, Power, Position, men pleasing or the Word of God? Look around you and you see the choice which most are taking.less

"And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this: 'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan." (Revelation 2:8) ... Poverty as a consequence of slander and accusations .... The source of their persecution: the Romans....more

"And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this: 'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan." (Revelation 2:8)

... Poverty as a consequence of slander and accusations .... The source of their persecution: the Romans. Fomenting the Roman persecution was the inciting accusations of ethnic Israelites about whom Jesus here says are not worthy of that ancient and honorable name. "I know the slander [blasphemy] by those who say they are Jews and are not." My friends that is a profoundly important statement. When we watch the flow of redemptive history, the storyline of the Bible unfold and we move from the epic of promise into the epic of fulfillment, God's people are no longer defined genealogically, they are defined Christologically ... Christocentrically. You say "what do you mean?" True Jews are those who follow Jesus as their Messiah. They are characterized by a birth not of the flesh, but of the Spirit. They are marked out by a circumcision not of the flesh but of the heart. So who then are these people? These people who claim to be Jews by virtue of their bloodline, but according to Jesus himself, they are not. Jesus defines them for us: "They are a synagogue of Satan." It is like what Jesus says to the unbelieving Pharisees in John chapter 8, who claimed the paternity of Abraham. He says: "You are of your father the devil." You see beloved, this is why we need to think clearly at this point. This is what is so utterly wrong today when people refer to the Judeo-Christian God. [They say] "Christians and Jews really in the end worship the same God." NO! ...To reject Jesus Christ is to reject the full and final revelation of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The truth is there is no such thing as an orthodox Jew, beloved, unless he is a Christian because if the Jews really believed in the Old Testament they would believe in Jesus Christ. If a person does not believe in Jesus Christ then, according to John chapter 5, then he does not believe in Moses either. "Moses spoke of me," Jesus said. And so Paul says in Romans chapter 2 "A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly nor is circumcision merely outward and physical", no "a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly and circumcision is circumcision of the heart by the Spirit not the written code."less

Now friends, people often ask me, "Do you believe that the church replaces Israel. The answer is "no of course not!!!" The church does not replace Israel. The fact is, Jewish people who reject Jesus Christ are apostate from Israel. Following Jesus Christ is the ultimate expression of true Judaism. Everything in the Old Testament pointed to Him. Israel and the church, then, are not in radical disco...more

Now friends, people often ask me, "Do you believe that the church replaces Israel. The answer is "no of course not!!!" The church does not replace Israel. The fact is, Jewish people who reject Jesus Christ are apostate from Israel. Following Jesus Christ is the ultimate expression of true Judaism. Everything in the Old Testament pointed to Him. Israel and the church, then, are not in radical discontinuity, rather, the later is the consummated expression of the former. Beloved, a failure to appreciate that has profoundly determined strange things in our [own] country. By virtue of the influence of American evangelicalism we say silly things like "Always side with Israel, no matter what Israel does always side with Israel. God will take care of America if we always side with Israel. They are God's people." [But] Jesus says they are a synagogue of Satan. And is there a reason then why American evangelicals are notoriously ineffective in their evangelism of Arabs?

[Jesus is] The full, final, ultimate expression of Judaism. You are Abraham's seed. C'mon ... Tear those pages out of your study Bibles.less