Christians Lament Bhutto's 'Tragic' Death

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

chris

How about the wars to exterminate the indigenous peoples of the americas by the christian europeans? was that about "liberation of atheism"?

Christians Lament Bhutto's 'Tragic' Death

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

chris " atheism is an ugly thing, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam War... to name but a few that have been fought in the name of atheist philosophies and worldviews. Last century was a bloody century thanks to the liberation of atheism."

The century before that was bloody , as was the one before that. I dont think they were due to "liberation of atheism"

I guess you didnt learn about the christian religious wars of Europe? Start with a history lesson on the "30 years war".

Bush, Hillary Lead 'Most Admired' Poll for 6th Straight Year

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

maranatha;

I think there are two things i know about you, you didn't go to Iraq and you have good health insurance.

Bush, Hillary Lead 'Most Admired' Poll for 6th Straight Year

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

maranatha "I realize that high-ranking Dems throughout the '90s were issuing dire warnings of WMDs in the mid-East, and I also realize he did not declare war single-handedly, that Congress voted on a bipartisan basis to invade Iraq. I do believe it significant that we've not seen another attack on American soil since 9/11/01, and I also believe President Bush has been unjustly demonized."

I agree the dems and republ both were warning about WMDs, most of it was politcal rhetoric though, to appear tough-thats what americans like in their politicians. And yes the dems did join with the repubs to authorize bush to go to war. Again, the chickenchit politicians are afraid of getting branded as weak if they vote against stuff like that. The thing that Bill Clinton was smart enough not to do was to invade Iraq. Bush's father told jr. not to do it, he knew it would be a quagmire. I was aginst the invasion, the US and Europe have done enough damage to the Middle East over the decades- mainly for OIL, thats why we got 9-11.

Also, please recall that it took about 8 years from the first attack on the world trade center to 9-11. Your conclusion that bush has prevented another attack has yet to be shown. In fact its just a matter of time before something else happens as long as the US continues to meddle in the affairs of the ME.

The thing that really angers me about the Iraq invasion is the fact that the US had no post invasion strategy. bush and his band of fools completely ignored the warnings ME experts offered in regard to having a post invasion strategy to provide security. They did not have a strategy to protect the people nor the countries infrastructure. Amazingly, and quite telling, the only real security provided after the fall of Baghdad, was military protection of the oil ministry. In the mean time, hospitals, schools, clinics, museums, government buildings, universities, libraries, power plants, water and sewage plants- all looted.

bush, cheney and other high ranking neocons are responsible for the destruction of Iraq and its people.

So much for be a so-called Christian nation.

Bush, Hillary Lead 'Most Admired' Poll for 6th Straight Year

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

maranatha7593;

I didnt think HC healthcare plan was good either, but at least she was trying to get something going. She should have appoached it differently, but the republicans were doing everything they could to prevent healthcare for all americans. The republicans gained control in 1994 yet did nothing to help people get healthcare. why is that the US is the only major industrial country in the world that doesn't provide healthcare to over 50 million of its citizens. Why is it healthcare insurers are able to cherry pick the people they insure- reject those that have pre-existing conditions for example. Well so much for the so-called Christian USA.

Bush, Hillary Lead 'Most Admired' Poll for 6th Straight Year

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

prophet "I find it amazing that with all the people complaining about Bush and his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan, that he would be the most admired. All I hear is people complain about him. Go figure."


you didn't read the fine print. The "most admired" simply meant he got the highest percentage number. That number was 10 % total that thought he was most admired, then the other 90% was spread amoung other persons. His approval numbers are around 30%- 30% that would approve of him no matter what .

Mounting Evidence for Intelligent Design Discovered in 2007

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"The entrance of sin into the world has resulted in pain, sorrow, and death - all of which was not in God's plan."

Why should the boy and his family pay the price for the entrance of someone else's sin's?

Another thing, why did God expect that humans were going to be so "perfect". Wouldn't that be virtually impossible- to go around perfect and sinless all the time, after all we are only human. Besides, how much fun would that be. Since humans are not perfect, that would suggest God made a mistake (or at least had unrealistic expectations)- didn't go according to plan.

Mounting Evidence for Intelligent Design Discovered in 2007

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

holito8 "Thru Slacker post wisdom came. God is good.
Atheist says there is no God. There is no purpose but that is simply not true. Everything in the world has a purpose. My car has a purpose, my job has a purpose, children have a purpose, schools have a purpose; Even their argument against God has a purpose. God said we have a purposed. So if everything has a purpose is that not a part of a grand design to give us purpose."

A neighbor kid was recently killed in a car wreck. Hope that wasn't part of the plan. Seems without purpose to me except to bring extreme pain to family and friends.

Bush, Hillary Lead 'Most Admired' Poll for 6th Straight Year

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

maranatha7593: "I agree with you, Harald Hardrada, about Hillary and her "health plan". Thank God for the Republican 'revolution' of the fall of 1994 which derailed it! To me, she and Bill are Ahab and Jezebel, pure and simple."

seems like small potatoes compared to what bush and cheney brought to Iraq- the destruction of the country and the wasting of so many lives and hundreds of billions of dollars that could have gone to folks without healthcare. I fail to see how Chrisitans can still support a person that many, including myself, consider a war criminal considersing the lack of security and destruction he has brought to Iraq. A country that occupies another country is responsible for its security according to the UN, bush failed miserably on this. He probably should be sent to The Hague for war crimes

Bush, Hillary Lead 'Most Admired' Poll for 6th Straight Year

rubinlueski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Harald Hardrada : "What is the queen of darkness (Hillary Clinton) doing on this list? Who is she respected by and for what...maybe her horrible socialist medicine plan that was a huge disgrace to the democratic party and ensured the 1994 republican success in the elections? I must admit I was certainly about the results."

I am no fan of HC, but allow me to parapharase your post:


What is the prince of darkness (george dumbya bush) doing on this list? Who is he respected by and for what...his horrible invasion and subsequent distruction of the country of Iraq and its people is a huge disgrace to the the USA.

(Although dumbya actually only received 10 % of the votes)

bush might be the first president to lose two wars- Afghanistan and Iraq.. So much for bush being a good christian.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"I'm curious: With what Christian POV do you agree?"

thou shalt not kill or steal.....

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

maranatha7593:

I come in contact with certain individuals that i do consider religious fanatics. they tell me I'm going to hell because I don't believe in certain things and that their POV is the correct one. My POV is wrong because I dont know the "Word". They are going to heaven and almost everyone is going to hell because they dont know the "Word" - I consider them fanatics. Probably some carry over from that repeated experience.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

OK maranatha7593, lets reset the baseline here . I think we can agree to disagree. You have your beliefs and thats great. I have mine. In any case, I dont mean to offend anyone on a personal level. Sometimes these posts can get heated. You are correct, i do have trouble seeing the christian POV on many, but not all, positions. Homosexuality would be an area where we would disagree.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"Homosexuality in any arena does not change the fact that God did not create homosexuality, that it entered the world because of sin. "

Again you dont have answer, very disappointing.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

maranatha7593 however early man propogated the species, we know that God did not define incest until the days of Moses.

So you dont have an answer I take it.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

maranatha7593 your post "homosexuality did not exist when God created man and woman. Homosexuality exists because they allowed sin to enter the world."

Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom amongst various types of animals including primates. Are these non-human animals sinning? How would you explain homosexuality in non-human populations?

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Seedplanter, you didn't answer my question.

you posted "The traditional family that was started by God in the Garden of Eden".

Question: Was incest involved between the offspring of A & E to propagate the species? This has always puzzled me.

I would really like to hear an explanation, what am I missing here, how did mankind turn into billions with only two people to start things off.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

seedplanter: " You might as well here it while you're here looking for a fight:"

I'm not looking fo a fight, I am interested in exchanging points of view. Fanatical religious people have trouble seeing the other side's point of view. Your right , I'm wrong and YOU sinners and are going to the eternal torture chamber. I have heard many times before. Actually I dont find religion interesting, but the politics and views of religions I find to be very interesting. I am especially intriged when certain religious folks give me their take on the "truth". I prefer the study of science, thats where i find truth.

"whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. "

I am not much interested in everlasting life. One lifetime is good enough. When my time is up, its up and i dont think I have a problem with that. When I'm dead, I wont know the difference. The universe got along for billions of years without me, it will do fine for billions of years more when I'm gone.

Mounting Evidence for Intelligent Design Discovered in 2007

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:32 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

schumacr, thank you for your comments, they are interesting and thought provoking


Allow me to clarify my take on "a creator who was uncreated" and I stated "is intellectually unsatisfying to me" The reason I find it intellectually unsatisfying is that it doesn't say anything meaningful. Its like in Genesis with the "In the beginning god created all things and saw that they were good.......stuff. What does that mean? It would be more meaningful to me if it told me something about the technical details. What physics, chemistry and biology were involved. I am a curious person and I want to know the science behind the universe. To say the universe and life was created by God and leave it at that, is intellectually unsatisfying to me. Science is going to get mankind closer to finding those answers then religion studies ever will. Perhaps there is a god that created us and the universe, god would still have to use certain scientific principles to create the galaxies, stars, planets and life. God would have to be everything from a quantum physicist to a genetic engineer, that would be very impressive. I consider myself an agnostic which basically means that whether there is a god is unknowable, at least so far and as far as science is concerned. If there is God, I don't believe God would hold it against me for wanting to know the science of the universe. I think God might also cut me some slack for being skeptical of its existence, after all, I'm just a simple human being. The problem i have with much of religion in general, and christianity specifically, is the notion that I am going to hell because I don't believe in this that or the other thing. I find the hell fire business absurd. Then again, I could be completely wrong and spend an eternity in torture, so be it. I cant help how I think or feel.

You quoted John Locke :

1. Something exists.
2. Non-being cannot create being
3. Therefore, a necessary and eternal being exists

1 Something exists- probably true..
2. Non-being cannot create being- we don't know that to be true.
3. Therefore, a necessary and eternal being exists- we don't know that to be true.

"Logic" was also used at one time to explain the earth as motionless and the center of the universe. I believe science has shown that to be FALSE.


Philosophers and Theologians have been debating about the world and the universe for centuries. The debates by theologians now are probably not much different than 200 years ago, in the mean time science has taught us much about the nature of the universe...thats what i find intellectually satisfying. I do think it is reasonable to ask "if there is a god, then how did God come about"? Perhaps the answer is, there is no God. Perhaps God was created through a quantum event..........

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinlueski »

Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"God will give any nation time to repent of their wickedness. If they refuse to do so He will bring His judgment on them in a most severe way. (Rev 2:21-23)"

Yeah right and santa clause visited my house on christmas. LOL.....................