danny posted: " As arguments for ID become futher refined each year, they are beginning to convince large sections of the population (Christian and Non-Christian alike)." Its probably true that "large sections of the population" are buying in more to the ID stuff. Doesn't mean much however. Most of the population is largely ignorant of science. The average person kn...more

danny posted: " As arguments for ID become futher refined each year, they are beginning to convince large sections of the population (Christian and Non-Christian alike)."

Its probably true that "large sections of the population" are buying in more to the ID stuff. Doesn't mean much however. Most of the population is largely ignorant of science. The average person knows more about paris hilton than they know about science. The important statistic would be amoung scientist, and that number is pretty LOW. the only way the title "Mounting Evidence for Intelligent Design" is going to make it into say the prestigious scientific journal "Nature", is if there is scientific evidence for it. last time I picked up Nature, I didn't see anything like that.less

well star2 I see that you have spent too much time in that first century cave too. "Sanctioning homosexuality will only bring the wrath of God on our nation"-- well I would think that america would have experienced gods wrath long ago - persecution of blacks and other minorities, extermination of its indigenous population, invasions of Vietnam and Iraq to which resulted in the deat...more

well star2 I see that you have spent too much time in that first century cave too.

"Sanctioning homosexuality will only bring the wrath of God on our nation"-- well I would think that america would have experienced gods wrath long ago - persecution of blacks and other minorities, extermination of its indigenous population, invasions of Vietnam and Iraq to which resulted in the death and injury of milions of innocent people, the largest arms exporter in the world, no health care for millions of its citizens, squandering earth's resources at the expense of othe countries, etc. etc.


Seems kind of silly that the creator of the universe would be so focused on homosexuality when there are so many other things to focus on. Homosexuality is not unique to the human animal, so if God created all living things on earth, why does homosexuality exist if god is so opposed to it.less

seedplanter, me think you have spend too much time in a first century cave. "There is no evidence that people are born “gay.” ------- Actually there is much eveidence, both behavior and genetic " Even so, if it was proven to be so, how could it be easily dismissed as “normal” and good?""------- Its not a matter of being normal or good, its what it IS...more

seedplanter, me think you have spend too much time in a first century cave.

"There is no evidence that people are born “gay.” -------
Actually there is much eveidence, both behavior and genetic

" Even so, if it was proven to be so, how could it be easily dismissed as “normal” and good?""-------
Its not a matter of being normal or good, its what it IS. As gay people point out to me, they put up with persecution and rejection, so why would they "choose" such a life style. They don't.

QUESTION , you posted "The traditional family that was started by God in the Garden of Eden". Was incest involved between the offspring of A & E to propagate the species? This has always puzzled me.less

How about this. Allow gay civil unions that allow for the same protective laws that married heterosexual couples receive. They don't have to be called marriages, they would be civil unions. The the folks here that are opposed to gay relationships can then move on-start minding their own business and move on to helping the poor and down trodden in the world. I know many gays. Homosexual...more

How about this. Allow gay civil unions that allow for the same protective laws that married heterosexual couples receive. They don't have to be called marriages, they would be civil unions. The the folks here that are opposed to gay relationships can then move on-start minding their own business and move on to helping the poor and down trodden in the world.

I know many gays. Homosexuality is not a choice, its how they were born. Just like I knew I was a heterosexual very early in my life ,not a choice, the way I was born, the same is true for all the gays i have know. They knew very early in life they were different- that is to say the were not attracted to opposite sex. Humans animals are not unique to this.less

" see where your coming from here, I really do. But the question goes back, who then created those Extra terrestrials etc. It goes back and back until there must be a beginning which to me seems to be logically, a creator who was uncreated." dannypoo, I couldn't agree more. But I think the same thing applies to the creator, what / how was the creator created....... "a cre...more

" see where your coming from here, I really do. But the question goes back, who then created those Extra terrestrials etc. It goes back and back until there must be a beginning which to me seems to be logically, a creator who was uncreated."

dannypoo, I couldn't agree more. But I think the same thing applies to the creator, what / how was the creator created....... "a creator who was uncreated"- I dont see the logic there.

The fact is nobody, so far, knows the answer to these questions, thats what cosmologists and physicists are trying to figure out. The "a creator who was uncreated" is intellectually unsatisfying to me. Perhaps it is the correct answer, but nobody knows whether it is at this point. happy new year.less

If ID is the reason for life on earth, then it might simply be that our "god" may possibly be a highly advance extraterristrial. Radio astronomers and others have on-going projects to attemt to detect electomagnetic signals from other possible life forms in other parts of our galaxy and universe. We might someday detect them and find our creator. Or, there may actually be a creator o...more

If ID is the reason for life on earth, then it might simply be that our "god" may possibly be a highly advance extraterristrial. Radio astronomers and others have on-going projects to attemt to detect electomagnetic signals from other possible life forms in other parts of our galaxy and universe. We might someday detect them and find our creator. Or, there may actually be a creator of the entire universe, nobody knows. The god created entire universe thing seems very unlikey to me.less

maranatha7593 "I completely disagree with your opinion that Bush was the most inept president in modern times. No one has been able to even come close to Jimmy Carter's ineptness, much less surpass it." I and about 250 million other americans would say dumbya bush has won the ineptness contest.

maranatha7593 you just dont get it do you. Let me post it again: bill clinton, dodged the draft to avoid Vietnam War- HE was against the war, thought the war wrong and immoral. george bush, he dodged Vietnam- He was for the war, as was cheney, but neither were willing to go themselves. That meant that two others went in their place and perhaps were killed. We call these guys chicken hawks ...more

maranatha7593 you just dont get it do you. Let me post it again:

bill clinton, dodged the draft to avoid Vietnam War- HE was against the war, thought the war wrong and immoral.

george bush, he dodged Vietnam- He was for the war, as was cheney, but neither were willing to go themselves. That meant that two others went in their place and perhaps were killed. We call these guys chicken hawks - for war, but not willling to fight themselves.

bush was in the National guard- ticket out of Vietnam back then. cheney had something like 6 deferments to keep his happy azz out of 'namless

gratus What did Iraq have to do with 9-11? Perhaps we should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead, most of the hijackers were from there. Oh wait, the corrupt and autocratic Saudi royal family is a US business partner- we sell them weapons systems, oil field equipment and protect them with our military, they sell us oil. Thats why we didn't invade them. Your parallel to Pearl Harbor...more

gratus What did Iraq have to do with 9-11? Perhaps we should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead, most of the hijackers were from there. Oh wait, the corrupt and autocratic Saudi royal family is a US business partner- we sell them weapons systems, oil field equipment and protect them with our military, they sell us oil. Thats why we didn't invade them.

Your parallel to Pearl Harbor and 9-11 are in error. Japan attacked us, we declared war. The US invaded Iraq, but they did not attack us.

Please read a bit of ME & Iraq history below:

The average person in Iraq, and indeed the average citizen of the Middle East , understand why the US attempts to impose its will in the ME. Its simple, its mainly about OIL. How would americans take to an invasion of the US by a foreign army - not very well I'm sure. Contrary to what bush, cheney and the neocons tell the largely ignorant american public (ignorant from the standpoint of little to no knowledge of the ME and its history as it relates to the imperial ambitions of Western countries to secure oil interests) the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with liberating the Iraqi's from the grip of sadddam. Its all about US control and influence in the ME. 9-11 occurred because of decades abuses by the US in the ME. Its really too bad the US forgot lessons learned from Vietnam. In both the case of Vietnam and Iraq, american ignorance and arrogance led to the deaths and injury of millions of innocent Vietnamese and Iraqi's.

The thing that really adds insult to injury in Iraq is the fact that the US had no post invasion strategy. bush and his band of fools completely ignored the warnings ME experts offered in regard to having a post invasion strategy to provide security. They did not have a strategy to protect the people nor the countries infrastructure. Amazingly, and quite telling, the only real security provided after the fall of Baghdad, was military protection of the oil ministry. In the mean time, hospitals, schools, clinics, museums, government buildings, universities, libraries, power plants, water and sewage plants- all looted.

bush, cheney and other high ranking neocons are responsible for the destruction of Iraq and its people.less

To tarzan; History lesson for you: bill clinton, dodged the draft to avoid Vietnam War- HE was against the war, thought the war wrong and immoral. george bush, he dodged Vietnam- He was for the war, as was cheney, but neither were willing to go themselves. That meant that two others went in their place and perhaps were killed. We call these guys chicken hawks - for war, but not willling ...more

To tarzan; History lesson for you:

bill clinton, dodged the draft to avoid Vietnam War- HE was against the war, thought the war wrong and immoral.

george bush, he dodged Vietnam- He was for the war, as was cheney, but neither were willing to go themselves. That meant that two others went in their place and perhaps were killed. We call these guys chicken hawks - for war, but not willling to fight themselves.

Oh one other thing, do you make a habit of misrepresenting others as you intentionally misquoted me above. isn't that against one of the ten commandments or something?less

HampsteadPete"s post "The most interesting thing in this otherwise silly poll to me is that over 2% of the respondents chose an atheist as their "most admired." Bill Gates has absolutely no use for religion in any form, and never has." Bill Gates ("no use for religion")- contributing billions of dollars to help the poor and sick of the world. Dumbya bush (C...more

HampsteadPete"s post "The most interesting thing in this otherwise silly poll to me is that over 2% of the respondents chose an atheist as their "most admired." Bill Gates has absolutely no use for religion in any form, and never has."

Bill Gates ("no use for religion")- contributing billions of dollars to help the poor and sick of the world.

Dumbya bush (Christian)- Destroyed Iraq and its people through invasion using US war machine wasting hundreds of billions of dollars that light otherwise been used to help mankind.less

"I'm glad to see President Bush getting some respect. He's been demonized for far too long" yeah right, he got the highest number- 10 % of the respondents, SO WHAT. The man is a draft dodging, war mongering fool who, along with his puppet master cheney, should be brought up on war crimes for what they have done to iraq and its people for OIL and EGO. Certainly the most in...more

"I'm glad to see President Bush getting some respect. He's been demonized for far too long"

yeah right, he got the highest number- 10 % of the respondents, SO WHAT. The man is a draft dodging, war mongering fool who, along with his puppet master cheney, should be brought up on war crimes for what they have done to iraq and its people for OIL and EGO. Certainly the most inept president in modern times. The majority of Americans have finally figured bush to be nothing but a dumb animal.less

QUESTION: What is the difference between discussing biblical interpretation and the number of angles that can dance on the head of a pin? ANSWER: As far as I can tell, not much.

annie your post "I think this is a very clear indication of the very violent times we live in" The world is really not any more violent than its was say during WW1, WW2, Korean war, Vietnam War, to name but a few wars and conflicts.

maranatha7593 Ur post: "'m sure that Spears and her boyfriend had b/c available to them and knew how to use it." dude, what is your point? AND 1. how do you know they knew how to use it? 2. How is it really anyones business anyway? 3. The use of BC is an individual choice, and as American's, we have the right & freedom to use BC. Are you suggesting it sho...more

maranatha7593 Ur post:
"'m sure that Spears and her boyfriend had b/c available to them and knew how to use it."

dude, what is your point?
AND

1. how do you know they knew how to use it?
2. How is it really anyones business anyway?
3. The use of BC is an individual choice, and as American's, we have the right & freedom to use BC. Are you suggesting it should be outlawed?less

Dear ifeelfine72, No offense taken. rubin

Even if there is a God, I really dont think that God gives a ratzazz about what anyone on this board says or believes in. The idea that God is all consumed about some insignificant speck called earth amongst the trillions of stars in the cosmos, seems a bit absurd to me. The idea that if you dont believe in this that or the other thing, is a ticket to hell is even more absurd. The preoccupa...more

Even if there is a God, I really dont think that God gives a ratzazz about what anyone on this board says or believes in. The idea that God is all consumed about some insignificant speck called earth amongst the trillions of stars in the cosmos, seems a bit absurd to me. The idea that if you dont believe in this that or the other thing, is a ticket to hell is even more absurd. The preoccupation that so many of you seem to have with salvation and eternal life is nothing more than a fear of there being nothing when you die, which may very well be the case. My view is, what ever is, is. The universe got along just fine for the billions of years before I came along, and it will go on billions of years after I am gone. I do not have a need to believe in an eternal life. The idea of a eternal life is much more frightneing to me than death. When your dead, you wont even know it.less

TWO MORE REASONS CREATIONISM & ID NOT TAKEN SERIOUS BY SCIENTISTS: 1. Creationists and IDer's claim the earth is about 6,000 years. Never mind that the scientific data overwhelmingly says its in the billions of years. 2. Creationists and IDer's claim that dinosaurs and man lived side-by-side. Never mind that the scientific data overwhelmingly indicate dinosaurs disap...more

TWO MORE REASONS CREATIONISM & ID NOT TAKEN SERIOUS BY SCIENTISTS:

1. Creationists and IDer's claim the earth is about 6,000 years.
Never mind that the scientific data overwhelmingly says its in the billions of years.

2. Creationists and IDer's claim that dinosaurs and man lived side-by-side.
Never mind that the scientific data overwhelmingly indicate dinosaurs disappeared 65 million
years ago and modern man appeared about 200,000 years ago.less

maranatha7593 "I'm sure that Spears and her boyfriend had b/c available to them." well the thing about BC, if you want to prevent pregnancy, you have to use it properly.

ingoditrust "But do you get my point now?" yes I do get your point. where did all this stuff come from? I wonder the same thing. See the post I just submitted. As I mentioned, cosmologists can describe certain aspects of the universe and have some models on how the present universe may have started (perhaps the Big Bang, perhaps not). Einsteins GR theory tells us nothing about th...more

ingoditrust "But do you get my point now?"

yes I do get your point. where did all this stuff come from? I wonder the same thing. See the post I just submitted. As I mentioned, cosmologists can describe certain aspects of the universe and have some models on how the present universe may have started (perhaps the Big Bang, perhaps not). Einsteins GR theory tells us nothing about the universe before
time =0. Cosmology has a long way to go to figure it all out, perhaps we never will. I dont find the argument that God created the universe as intersesting or plausible. However, perhaps there is a God that did create it all, I just have no way of knowing.less