Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinluski »

Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Hey chris thanx for you detailed response. Yes indeed, blogs can be very time consuming, especially when you want to get your point out there correctly. For me it all boils down to the fact that I can not really relate to the religion stuff, I have tried it and nothing there for me. I guess I am ambivalent towards religion. I figure if there is life after death, and a God, then I suppose I will learn about it then. Until then, I try to get thru life as best I can. I am a scientist by prefession, thats what i relate to. Its not a religion for me, but its what interests me. Religion only interests me in terms of what others think about it. I like to discuss religion and politics with others, sometimes I agree, sometimes I dont.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinluski »

Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

chris wrote:
"It is important to remember that everyone believes that "only their way is the right way", Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Atheists, *Agnostics, and Pluralists, as well as everyone else who lives and breaths and is able to have an opinion, believes there way is the right way."

Oh yes, I absolutely agree with you. I should have stated that in my post. i do not limit it to christians by any means. All the aforementioned believe they are correct, otherwise they wouldn't believe it. There may very well be a creator, but I would say the aforementioned- christians, muslims, hindus, jews, etc, i find all quite unconvincing in their explanations of the nature of the creator. Perhaps they are all correct in some way, or they are all wrong. As an agnostic, I cant help to think that all these faiths have very strange, and unlikely explanations of the creator. I admit I have no idea.



"Also, I have to ask you, if you are of the type of agnostic who says there is not enough evidence to decide one way or another, I would ask you, what would convince you that there is a God, and more specifically what would convince you that Christ was who He said He was?"

"what would convince you that there is a God" a sit down over a beer might be convince me.

Seriously, for the sake of argument, lets say that the earth and life on it is proof of a creator. OK fine. The problem I have with most religions is they claim to know what the creator is thinking and if you dont behave in a certain fashion or you dont believe the right stuff, the creator will punish you. In the case of christianity for example, I'm told if i dont believe in Christ, I'm going to be tortured for an eternity. That does not seem plausible to me. It also seems contrary to what many christians say about God- "God is a loving God", if thats the case, why would God allow billions of souls to be tortured for an eternity? Doesn't seem to be much logic or love with that view as far as my limited brain power can tell. On the other hand, I might be completely wrong and am headed for the pit of torture.

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'Very Religious' Town Ditches 666 Area Code

rubinluski »

Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:06 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

WOW, superstition at its best. Interesting stuff.

Final Iowa Poll Shows Huckabee, Obama Ahead

rubinluski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Ron Paul would be my only choice amoung the republicans. He is the only candidate, both dem and rep, that understands why there are terrorist threats from the ME towards the US. he said, what i have been saying for years "They came here [9-11] because we have been over there." he was againt the Iraq debacle from day one. Its relly quite unfortunate that a country that claims itself as a Chriatian (peace loving ) nation, invaded Iraq, which really was not a threat to the US. We have made a mess out of that country. All Americans should be ashamed of what we have done over there. We did not have the moral authority to "liberate" the Iraqi's. The US track record in the ME is really quite bad, gotta have the ME OIL I guess.

Pro-Gay Romney Upsets Family Values Leader

rubinluski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

maranatha7593: "yellowjello, I agree that we should try to be examples of Christ - but I don't agree that is ALL we can do. If we don't share the Gospel with those who do not know the Lord, how can they be saved? How can they inherit eternal life? There are positives and negatives to anything. There are positive things we do as Christians, and there are also 'negatives' (as perceived by others, anyway). Jesus said His true followers would be hated as He was. He also said, "Beware if all men speak well of you." Kind of disconcerting, but nonetheless true. "

The thing I cant get past with some religious folks, is their belief that their religion and beliefs are the correct one, and everyone else is wrong. I think thats what you are saying. I guess thats why I'm content being an agnostic. I'v known plenty of people over the years that have told me (WARNED ME) "my mind aint right, you dont know the "Word"" . Many of those people I wouldn't trust to walk my dog, no offense to you intended. I have tried out religion. going to church, etc,etc,etc, it doesn't do anything for me,I feel no connection what so ever. There may very well be a creator, I dont know thats why I call myself an agnostic, but its hard for me to imagine that the creator would be all that concerned about a little speck of a planet in a galaxy 100,000 light years across. in fact if God did create us, i would say that God has moved on to bigger and better things and left poor little earth to its self.

"If we don't share the Gospel with those who do not know the Lord, how can they be saved? How can they inherit eternal life?"


Perhaps not all poeple want to be saved (what ever that means). An eternal torture chamber seems absurd to me.

Perhaps not all people have this need to believe in an eternal life, i know i dont.

Bush, Hillary Lead 'Most Admired' Poll for 6th Straight Year

rubinluski »

Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

1) "Have you been to Iraq?" No, and I wouldn't go, if there were a draft to go there, I would go to jail before I went fight a criminal war against people that did not attack us.

2) Canadians have been warning us for years NOT to go with socialized medicine.

i know there are some canadians that have complaints about the system. i go to canada, the people i know there say its not perfect but they are reasonably content with it. They think the US is totally messed up with ours, Unless you have a lot of money or your employer provides insurance, you go without. European freinds I have are largely satisfied with their system. I''m not necessarily saying we need a sytem like thiers, but the system we have now is broken and out of reach for millions. Why is it we can put billions down a rat hole in iraq, but we cant help americans that dont have healthcare insurance to get it?

So i guess you answered my question, you either have plenty of money for healthcare or your employer provides it to you.

AND

You haven't been to Iraq.