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norman, mickeyc and rhi bran...appears you three enjoying posting one after another on a fairly regular basis across stories here on CP. very impressive coordination ;)
in any event, i too am curious about your claim regarding Genesis. can you provide any support with facts (website, books, etc.) and not your opinion? i enjoy learning what things are being said on the non-believer's side. i partially agree with your concern about you the Calvary Church conducting the research, however the same argument can be made against any opposing side writing their beliefs.
my primary purpose is to get your opinion, and everyone reading this story/comment section, about how the book of Exodus was proven to be true by scientific and Biblical evidence -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-M93oMGyxg
any comments about this being an "allegory" or "just a story" too? -
klm...i'm having a hard time following your logic. you state -
"Why can't you just "love God" in your own way and leave the rest of us alone? Stay out of matters that don't concern you. Other people having equal rights takes nothing away from you."
please answer this one question, so i can better understand your position - would you be okay if gay couples had all the same rights as straights couples but not the same definition? if i'm understanding you correctly, It appears your argument is not about rights...but social acceptance instead. am i understanding you correctly?
thanks. -
Pastors to Proclaim Jesus Loves Gays at Pride Fest
rydak »Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:53 pm
Agree: 3 
Disagree: 1
I commend Pastor Craig Gross' efforts, because we are not here to judge others by their decision to choose. Satan is working harder than ever in our "earthly" world. We all have the choice to make a decision, however are we prepared to deal with the long term consequences?
Pastor Craig is putting up a safe place to listen and discuss this specific topic with those who may be confused. If people take him up on his offer...great. If not...that's their decision.
Please stop all the hurtful comments to those in this forum (LGBT or straight). It really has no place and is getting old. I can only handle the "Adam/Steve" from the straight side or "you're secretly gay" from the LGBT side.
John 8:7 - When they kept on questioning him (Jesus), He straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." -
mathetes...great posts proving your credibility over the false claims against you. isn't it a great feeling to know we have the Bible which has been around for thousands of years to help us live better lives and get to know our Heavenly Father!?!?
fyi believers...one of these days, i'll have to tell you about how i met these former union workers a few weeks back who told me jimmy hoffa is still alive. it's amazing, i know! they bought this thing called a "website" and are working on this other thing they call an "essay" to prove their claim that he isn't dead. once it's published, i'm going to consider him alive again. if no one else can convince me they saw him die or if a few authors didn't mention him in a book they wrote during the time he was alive...i think i'm onto something.
this has been a fun forum and i've only grown to believe more in the Lord by participating, but it's time to move on. thanks to those whose arguments were somewhat informative (yet absurd) however proved nothing more than a conspiracy theory to prevent them from getting to know and accept our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, into their lives. continued prayers for you and until we meet again. -
alocksee...in your mind, you think you always win and are never wrong. congratulations! i commend you on those "self-acclaimed" victories. you earned them. it's unfortunate that no one else shares that belief with you, so it looks like you'll have to celebrate by yourself.
feel free to make another victory announcement over me (or anyone on this site) and say that we haven't responded to your last posting and include every thread to justify your position. i just want to you know that in doing so, you're only making people here more convicted in our beliefs and love for Jesus Christ. you are actually growing my faith with your fraudulent resources and conspiracy theories, so i thank you for helping spread the Lord's message. feel free to respond back with name calling or victory claim, but you'll get no more responses from me...only prayers. the Lord is using you in His own special way for those who will be with him for an Eternity. thanks and God Bless. -
alocksee...i keep forgetting about your delorean that takes you back in time to valid all these claims. i thought it was funny when you said..."Since the 1800's rydak, they have known about the forgeries since the 1800's." that's only 200 years ago, you know? was dr. gordon stein around then too? i can tell you the Declaration of Independence was adopted in 1776 (before 1800) and acknowledged a Creator.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."
hmm...maybe your fellow atheists were trying to make up for lost time and get rid of Jesus in our new land? i think it's pretty apparent your forgery claims came around a long time after josephus wrote his statements pertaining to Christ, so i don't really understand why you would say they've been around since the 1800's (1740 years after).
once again, we don't see eye to eye on this one. i'll go with what's written in 60 AC vs. what was contested in the 1800's and leave the conspiracy theories to you and your favorite website. i did find an interesting website that discusses josephus' writtens in more detail, however i'm signing off the computer for the weekend. take care, and i'll post more on monday. -
haha...thanks once again, mathetes. isn't it funny how alocksee gets to pick and choose what he's willing to accept in our debate? i can't wait to see how he's going to address what josephus, one of the sources from his favorite website, meant in his acknowledgement of Jesus.
alocksee...i'm reading about jeffrey jay lowder and gordon stein's "interpretations" of what tacitus meant back in 60 AC. it appears that three of you have a time traveling machine, because you must've been there to ascertain the theological context during his writings. you guys also seem to know why tacitus decided to not write a thorough historical account and therefore discredit everything else he did. i'm beginning to see how you take lowder and stein's tactics into your comments on this board. you pick and choose (said that before) what you're willing to comprehend and if it's not exactly what you want to hear, you reject it. i'm thinking you're in the legal field with no published works, as i asked before. -
“I didn't ask for reasons you speculate about why it might not exist, I asked for evidence from valid, verifiable secular sources that refute it and so far, until you post the evidence to disprove the essay it stands un-refuted, which completely puts upon you to first prove that Jesus existed in order to carry on that everything after even happened. Do you have the requested information yet? How is that coming along?”
haha…you’re clever, alocksee, i’ll give you that much. the Bible is still my source. the oldest book (Biblios) on the face of our earth. yours is an essay on a website. the Bible has been passed in our history for much longer than your fables and conspiracy theories passed down verbally or by relatives of people related to king herod. the “information” you’re seeking is someone outside of the Bible to document their account of seeing Jesus. (Question 1) correct? If i’m wrong, can you tell me what would suffice for secular contemporary evidence? i did, however, find a passage from josephus who was listed on your website and “never mentions a Jesus the Christ”. and just because he didn’t convert to Christianity doesn’t discredit Jesus. His own followers didn’t realize He was the Messiah. please feel free to check this statement by josephus that discredits your website -
The first-century Jewish historian Josephus referred to the stoning of “James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ.” (The Jewish Antiquities, Josephus, Book XX, sec. 200) A direct and very favorable reference to Jesus, found in Book XVIII, sections 63, 64.
how do you explain josephus acknowledgement of Jesus’ existence? it appears your website forgot to include that little tid-bit. this means i’m up to the section on tacticus, so i’ll get there…don’t you worry, this is fun.
finally, i went Old Testament on you to give more credibility to what’s in the New Testament. i consider that proof when things written in the OT are proven by actual findings in our modern world. you're only strengthening my faith. thanks and God Bless you, alocksee. -
Alocksee...
2) Matthew 27:50-54. You claim "not one report from anyone about it such an event." First off, I see one claim right there in the Bible...so you're already off to a bad start. Second, are you saying that because something isn't reported it therefore didn't happen?
I was also looking back on a comment you made - "Notice it says"this generation' meaning the current one when the alleged conversation took place."
(Question 1) Are you a trained Biblical scholar or master linguist? You're quick to provide your theological analysis, so I'm curious to know your credentials for being an authority on Biblical verses. If you do contain such credentials, I apologize and would love to read your published work outside of these and other blogs. (Question 2) Can you direct me to any such works?
And finally....(Question 3) How are those Mt. Sinai videos coming along, or are you choosing not look at those either? -
Alocksee...thanks for your reply and snide remark about my comprehension skills. I find it funny when you say things like that and then fail to answer a simple Yes/No question contained in brackets saying (Question 1). But I'm sure that's aside the point, because you get pick and chose what you want to answer.
I will address your questions, again, and hope you can respond to mine when you're ready.
1) You cite Matthew 16:27-28. Very thought provoking, however it's your interpretation. There are others out there who believe Jesus' words here were fulfilled at the Transfiguration when Peter, James and John saw his glory. Now I'm going to reference you to a website that elaborates on this topic. Before I do, in all fairness, it doesn't close out our debate. When you post atheist websites for our reference, you believe all over. Case closed...g'night! Doesn't work that way. It open-ups another viewpoint that you (and others) may not have been aware of -
www.ankerberg.com/Articles/biblical-prophecy/BP0999W5.htm
I like how this article addresses your comments pertaining to Matthew 16 and 24. It states the similar understanding of other so-called "time-texts," and how they "have already been fulfilled." Before I go on any further, I'd like to see if you're actually engaged and reading the source I share. What do you feel about what is presented on this site?
I'll repost with more... -
mathetes...well said, and i often find alocksee will put a counter claim vs. answering questions. i like how you addressed "...you (alocksee) and others have said/implied you would not read the Bible to learn about science. Why should we go to an atheist’s web site to learn about the Bible? Does that make any sense?"
i agree with you but also enjoy reading their "atheist" sites from time to time. it only strengthens my faith and helps me be more knowledgable when having conversations with others down the road. my belief is neverchanging, whereas their claims are everchanging. the funny thing about atheism is that i feel it is a form of religion unbeknownst to them.
oh yeah...i purposely spelled knowledgeable without the second 'e' above. i think it's funny how doubters on this site use little things like grammar or spelling errors to discredit someone's reasoning. i thought i'd take that away from them in hopes of making this a real debate ;) -
Alocksee...per my reply to your posting on the Nobel Prize Winner (www.christianpost.com/article/20091020/nobel-prize-winner-says-world-better-without-bible/index.html), how about you check out those videos pertaining to Exodus -
www.youtube.com/user/shannonanamon#g/c/49F4023A334FE956
...or the theatrical due out next year -
www.exodusconspiracy.com
I think it's interesting how you state the "earliest examples date from about 50 - 70 years after the date of the alleged crucifixion...". In other words, people could've been first hand witnesses at the Crucifixion/Resurrection and around to document their observations (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for example). Yes Philo and a few others may have been around, however I believe there are more who actually did witness Jesus Resurrected vs. those who doubt his mere existence listed in your website. (Question 1) Yes or No? (Question 2) Can you please also cite where in the Bible the disciples stated "he would return in THEIR LIFETIMES."
A little more on Philo. His ancestors and family had social ties and connections to the Priesthood in Judea; Hasmonean Dynasty; Herodian Dynasty and Julio-Claudian dynasty in Rome (thanks Wiki). Wait a minute, Herodian? As in King Herod? The one who tried to kill Jesus when he heard "the one having been born king of the Jews" could possibly dethrone him? Being that Philo had connections to the King, do you think he might have an interest to simply write him out of history?
I've read 7 pages of the 22 from the website you listed, and I'm working through the rest slowly but surely. I'm also sure that the essay is NOT correct simply because it hasn't been refuted. You're assuming it has been read by an opposing authority on the matter...which I'm far from but willing to point out areas that are obviously false (like Philo).
Let me know the areas you feel strongest about, and I'll try to address those and also encourage others too...as well. Thanks. -
Nobel Prize Winner Claims World Is Better Without Bible
rydak »Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:56 am Agree: 3 Disagree: 3
Dearest Alockslee...
Let's go back to the Old Testament first and check out some archeological discoveries that happened then/there. Please watch the followings videos which are detail the writings found in Exodus -
www.youtube.com/user/shannonanamon#g/c/49F4023A334FE956
...or the theatrical due out next year -
www.exodusconspiracy.com
I'm curious to see your explanation(s) regarding these archeological discoveries and how they so accurately match those accounts written in the Exodus. It definitely gives some credibility to the Bible, wouldn't you say? I mean why would the Saudis secure these areas to prevent them for research purposes?
I'd be happy to share some more examples from Case for Faith by Lee Strobel regarding the Resurrection and more New Testament discoveries/facts. I'm not sure if you've read that book, however it's pretty insightful and really opened my eyes.
I look forward to discussing these topics with you and others. -
daniel paul...i wouldn't say exegesis is such a big theological word. it's in virtually in every dictionary and can be used in secular and non-secular contexts -
Main Entry: ex·e·ge·sis
Pronunciation: \ˌek-sə-ˈjē-səs, ˈek-sə-ˌ\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ex·e·ge·ses \-ˈjē-(ˌ)sēz\
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek exēgēsis, from exēgeisthai to explain, interpret, from ex- + hēgeisthai to lead — more at seek
Date: 1619
: exposition, explanation; especially : an explanation or critical interpretation of a text
: critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, esp. of the Bible.
as you'll see the word predates our Constitution, which i find particularly interesting. have you ever thought how the Bible even got its name too? Biblios in greek is the same as "book" in english. think about the exegesis or explanation for that. -
haha...months? daniel paul, i do get out every now and then ;) nonetheless, i enjoy sitting back to digest the exegesis and eisegesis of everyone's biblical interpretations and personal beliefs/feelings. i think these comment sections are a great source to hear what's going on in the world, however it's so hard to discuss heated topics like these. Some contributors really try to make a stand for the personal beliefs and don't want to hear the opposite argument (no matter how logical and also without name calling). i actually have an idea to change the way blogs or comment boards are handled for such topics, which i'm working on and trying to present to the masses. more to come.
here's what i've been doing lately in terms of this site - taking the things i read about, processing how it relates in my life/Bible learnings and then praying/sharing with those who are seeking out advice or wisdom for themselves or others close to them. sometimes the best way to address someone is indirectly vs. directly at them. i'm not saying i agree with everyone's choices, but you can't fight fire with fire and expect them to see the light (God).
oh yeah...i'll be around from time to time on here, and i appreciate everyone's input and willingness to share on this topic and others. i don't have friends from all walks of life and or viewpoints, so this helps with my level of comprehension. thanks all. -
oh...in all fairness, i do agree with the second part of your statement about not being treated in a discriminatory or derogatory way. we can disagree on certain things, however i'll always treat you with courtesy and respect. please let me know if you feel i do otherwise in my responses. thanks and God Bless.
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garageguy...you said something to believer i struggle with -
"believer, personally I hope that if it is scientifically proven that gay people are born that way, it should once and for all make people stop treating them in a discriminatory or derogatory way."
do you feel everything in the world must be proven by science? take evolution for example. atheists (richard dawkins most recently on bill o'reilly's show) and scientists alike haven't been able to explain this theory for how many thousands of years now? the oldest documented source of our beginning is widely available and people continue to seek out alternative explanations that help them feel at ease with their personal decisions and lifestyles. this world is not all about happiness.
how about we stop trying to understand in order to believe...and start believing in order to understand? it may cause a little uncomfortableness at first (as it did for me), but wouldn't you rather stop waiting for science to prove things it can't possibly do? i'm not opposed to scientifical findings, however i'll live my life in accordance to the Bible.
here's a link to an interesting movie that's coming out soon about some archaeologists who found the land where Moses received the 10 Commandments and many other facts detailed throughout Exodus in the Bible. probably more revealing than any scientific one supporting evolution. i encourage you and others to watch it -
www.exodusconspiracy.com
let me know your thoughts. -
norman...you said - "I wish Bible thumpers would put the millions of dollars they are using to fight gays (futilely-they cannot win) to a good cause like helping the poor or starving. Or, better yet, to fight divorce, the REAL enemey of marriage." How about all the money gay couples and supporters (companies too) are spending/spent to support gay marriages? One could easily argue that that money could've also been used for a good cause instead of battling to have the word marriage instead of civil union.
I'm all for equal rights but not equal definitions. Your comments are also generalizing those who don't support gay marriage. I know non-religious people who don't agree with it, as well as religious people who did. Would you agree? I also disagree with your claim about finding God. I don't believe you're in the position (nor am I) to judge others. I'll leave that up to God, because that what it says in the Bible...among other things ;) -
Sorry for the delay...busy weekend. I guess we'll agree to disagree, alocksee, as I don't believe human application to the "law" is always right. People have ulterior motives, pass laws/verdicts to stroke their egos and attempt to create a "legacies" during their time(s) in "power."
I also back up my arguments/position more divine sources, whereas yours are more earthly and capable of error in human judgement. I worship a Heavenly Father, and you cite (and arguably worship) Thomas Jefferson and inventors of Lemon Tests and other court verdicts. My intent is not to be sarcastic, but I see no reason to further argue points when you simply rely on the Law of the Jungle vs. the Law of the Lord. You can continue to post your points across all of the boards, and I'll continue to spread the Word of the Lord. Good day and God Bless. -
aveteran...thanks for your comments and interpretation of Madison's statements. You appear to almost worship Madison, which I hope is not the case. Secondly, my opinion does matter, because Madison is not here to defend himself. Thirdly, you weren't there to know his exact thoughts or interview him. Finally, his signature is not on the Declaration of Independence (DOI)...is it? Would you not agree that the Constitution pulled from the DOI?
Let me address your points on separation of church and state -
If he so desired such separation, then why did he (or others) allow "In God We Trust" on our money or national monuments after he passed in 1836. As I also stated before...can you explain why the same First Congress that proposed the Bill of Rights also opened its legislative day with prayer and voted to apportion federal dollars to establish Christian missions in the Indian lands?
I do agree with you that it was "intended" but you don't know to what extent.
I'll even respond to you rebuttal for my IGWT (as you call it on other sites) comment...you've simply used it too many times on too many other sites not to find ;)
You say - "While IGWT first appeared on COINS around 1862, it wasn't mandated on currency until 1954."
Sounds very similar to my comparison "the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Establishment Clause did not begin until 1947 in Everson v Board of Education." Appeared or mandated.
Wouldn't you agree?
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