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  • Dawkins Refuses to Debate Intelligent Design Scholars

    seedplanter »
    Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:22 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    ID proponents aren't the only ones Dawkins won't debate. He also refuses to debate William Lane Craig. He says it might look good on Craig's resume, but not his. LOL. I think he has a good point considering Craig has been considered undefeated by many atheists.

  • Atheists Sue to Take 'God' Out of Obama Inauguration

    seedplanter »
    Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Maybe someone should sue Michael Newdow to remove "God" from his lawsuite. lol

  • Ga. Community Defends Bible Verses in Football Games

    seedplanter »
    Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thanks Logic. Impressive, although you no doubt understand there is a certain amount of interpretation.

  • Ga. Community Defends Bible Verses in Football Games

    seedplanter »
    Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Mr. Logic, thank you for your legal evaluation. Will you be officiating this court by chance?

  • Ga. Community Defends Bible Verses in Football Games

    seedplanter »
    Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    If these cheerleaders are permitted to fly banners with various inspirational messages, then it becomes a matter of freedom of speach to incorporate inspirational messages albeit a religious source. Congress shall not prohibit the "free exercise of". Keep in mind, it was Thomas Jefferson who authorized for the government to fund the printing of Bibles to be used in public schools.

    How can this be denied as a matter of freedom of speach???

  • American 'Nones': More Skeptical than Anti-Religious

    seedplanter »
    Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:20 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Taking off from my earlier comments, I wanted to make a note that last night at our Bible study we went through the book of Ruth.

    It was interesting how we touched on salvation, discipleship (perseverence, compassion, etc.) and apologetics in several areas including history (Ruth as history rather than myth and Ruth as part of the lineage of Jesus) as well as areas of sociology and human dignity:

    1. women's suffrage - India burned or buried their widows ALIVE until William Carey and William Wilberforce put an end to it. Jewish custom mandated special care, Ruth was no different.
    2. Jewish social initiatives - leaving produce for the poor to come and reap. Note, the best form of social action includes the dignity of work.
    3. The issue of suffering also came up. The fact that even in the midst of miracles from God, He does not immediately offer paradise, there is still pain. This world is not heaven.

    There was more that I forgot.

    All in less than one hour!!!

  • American 'Nones': More Skeptical than Anti-Religious

    seedplanter »
    Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:20 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Thank you for that clarification Cheisa. I knew that you were not contesting my points, but you did however use them to suite your own personal purposes. My hope was simply to endulge in some meaningful dialogue on the particular article that is at hand.

    I've seen enough Roman Catholic proselytizing here on CP to be able to recognize it as spam. The Roman Catholic Church is not the issue of relevance. If anything it is suffering from more church closings than any other. As a matter of fact, the Assemblies of God has bought numerous Catholic churches in Chicago. When is the last time a Catholic has dared enter Cabrini Green or what was formerly known as the Robert Taylor Projects? How many Catholics that have been "Christened" have no more of a profession of faith than the typical "none"?

  • American 'Nones': More Skeptical than Anti-Religious

    seedplanter »
    Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:30 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Sheesha Cheisa, we can live without the spam.

  • American 'Nones': More Skeptical than Anti-Religious

    seedplanter »
    Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    John Wesley urged his clergy to have "Some knowledge of the sciences also, is, to say the least, equally expedient. Nay, may we not say, that the knowledge of one, (whether art or science,) although now quite unfashionable, is even necessary next, and in order to, the knowledge of the Scripture itself? I mean logic."

  • American 'Nones': More Skeptical than Anti-Religious

    seedplanter »
    Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Well RevShnorr right off the top of my head science points to God in the area of creation (i.e. Intelligent Design) as well as say Peter Stoner's work on the probability of fulfilled Messianic prophesies which could also bring in Pascal and his wager.

    Science and philosophy often overlap in areas such as the fine tuning of the universe which is often called the Teleological Argument.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
    http://creationwiki.org/Main_Page

    I personally wouldn't recommend painting myself in the corner with a particular creation theory. But I think it important for a pastor to teach people the issues and to continue his education on the subject.

  • American 'Nones': More Skeptical than Anti-Religious

    seedplanter »
    Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:40 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    It is my perception that too many church meetings are nothing but 'time fillers'. Other church groups are completely inward focused.

    Too many pastors consider their position just another profession when it should be their passion. They are too busy watching TV and playing video games. Others are struggling with pornography and the like. Revival has a price. Part-time Christian service just won't do.

    Here's another thing, I am convinced that EVERY SINGLE sermon must help people "KNOW" that Christianity is true; utilizing history, philosophy and science. Discipleship (and evangelism for that matter) is not just teaching Bible stories.

    Finally, repentance needs to be continually addressed from the pulpit. Of course grace should not be excluded in the process.

  • Schools Should Teach Christianity's Role in U.S. History, Say Evangelicals

    seedplanter »
    Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rodney Stark might be a good place to start.

  • Gay Marriages Now Recognized in D.C.

    seedplanter »
    Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I should carify that Dispensational theology does not assume antinomianism, but the idea that the old Testament laws are no longer applicable to today is the Dispensational view. I personally lean toward Dispensationalism personally, but I do not at all hold to antinomianism and I think that those who do so are a few fries short of a happy meal.

    When there is an Old Testament prerequisite for a moral law and it is reinforced in the New Testament, whether directly or in directly then it should only be reconsidered if there is a clear directive to abandon it or that it is a liberty of conscience.


    That being said there are both Christians as well as non-Christians who disaprove of the recent attempts to change the definition of marriage.

  • Gay Marriages Now Recognized in D.C.

    seedplanter »
    Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Gay Marriage" is a contradiction.

    Marriage = male + female

    My response from the other day has yet to be answered.

    If every moral law is limited to the Old Testament (which presumes Dispensational theology) then this assumes antinomianism. In other words absolutely nothing is forbidden.

  • Gay Marriages Now Recognized in D.C.

    seedplanter »
    Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    //"seedplanter, you are living under the old law, which is your problem. Those of us who follow Jesus have moved on."//

    HM,
    That is interesting. So does this mean that I am truly free from all sexual restraint? So I can ditch my wife and kids and go follow Jesus in whatever sexual escapades I desire? Will God protect me from STDs as well since the attractions are all natural? Ahhhhh so many girls, so little time.


    Mike85 says that homosexuality never was a sin, I bet adultery and child abandonment never were either. I'm sure it was just a method that the kings used to keep their harem in check.


    The Garage Door thinks its all just a bunch of hate anyway. Any girls out there want to spread a little love around?


    I would laugh, but I think I want to cry!

  • Proposed Policy to Put Religion Back in Iowa Schools

    seedplanter »
    Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Chicago24, a member of the Christian Science Church????

    Any calls from Mary Baker Eddy lately or did they disconnect the phone line?

  • Gay Marriages Now Recognized in D.C.

    seedplanter »
    Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike85, What is it that makes you think that homosexual acts are no longer sinful. Because you were born with the desires? I was born with desires as well. Do you think that Christians are devoid of hormones and have no inclinations of lust? If I was to fulfill every natural desire that is within me I would have long left my wife and children to embark upon my own sexual adventures.

    What you seem to call unsinful because it is natural, God calls sin because it is fallen nature.

  • Gay Marriages Now Recognized in D.C.

    seedplanter »
    Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:32 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The difference between a sinner who knows he needs God's grace and a sinner who identifies himself with his sin makes me wonder what he would do if he was allowed in the presence of the Lord.

    As someone who has seen Christ crucified for my sins, I now identify myself with Christ, not my sins. This does not mean that I don't still struggle, it means that I no longer excuse them but I CONFESS THEM!

    For a person to bind himself to his sin(s) reveals an air of self-sufficiency and a particular love for sin that cannot be married to grace - it is in fact the rejection of grace. Jesus commended us to repent of our sins! He came to break the yoke of bondage. What shall we do, trample His blood?

  • Proposed Policy to Put Religion Back in Iowa Schools

    seedplanter »
    Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Almost everything that has made America great has been as a result of Christian thought. Now that the atheists have decided to crawl out of their holes it seems that history is nothing but a pain.

  • Proposed Policy to Put Religion Back in Iowa Schools

    seedplanter »
    Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    PLEASE! Please tells us in the last hundred to two hundred years what mass murders have been instituted by Christians.

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