I suppose that such flagging can be expected in the Obama camp. Freedom of speach is under threat. Obama has asked news agencies to not publish or air certain facts about his history. Obama has yet to publically state whether or not he supports the Fairness Doctrine that will limit free speach on conservative and Christian radio programs.

So, is that it ifeelfine? You simply attempt to shrug off my second argument without justifiable reason, without even touching the other ones? 1. You made formed the Genesis Fallacy. 2. You made a categorical error. 3. You have not made the case that somebody who does in fact commit such horrific crimes as molesting, dismembering, cannibalizing and all to a mother of three - should not justi...more

So, is that it ifeelfine? You simply attempt to shrug off my second argument without justifiable reason, without even touching the other ones?

1. You made formed the Genesis Fallacy.
2. You made a categorical error.
3. You have not made the case that somebody who does in fact commit such horrific crimes as molesting, dismembering, cannibalizing and all to a mother of three - should not justifiably be served with capital punishment.
4. The above being said, how that Catholics being one of the front-runners in the pro-life movement who are also against capital punishment are simply irrelevant.
5. Do you believe that God has rightful claims to distribute justice, including the ultimate capital punishment?

Once you answer each of these responses and in addition satisfy everyone's curiosity as to how you personally have the authority to hold "pro-lifers" accountable to your standards, then and only then can you rightfully continue your accusations.less

It may have been someone who didn't know what they were doing. I made that mistake the first time I posted on CP.

ifeelfine, you are implementing what is traditionally called the Genesis Fallacy. For example: If a paranoid schizophrenic said that there is a secret society that is infiltrating the American government - if it is true it makes no difference who said it, why he said it or how crazy he is. The difference is whether or not it is true. You are also making a categorical error. You are confusi...more

ifeelfine, you are implementing what is traditionally called the Genesis Fallacy. For example: If a paranoid schizophrenic said that there is a secret society that is infiltrating the American government - if it is true it makes no difference who said it, why he said it or how crazy he is.

The difference is whether or not it is true.

You are also making a categorical error. You are confusing the sanctity of life, which specifically targets innocent little helpless babies and the ethical ramifications of utilizing capitol punishment for criminals of humanity (i.e. someone who kidnaps, mutilates and murders an innocent child).

There really is no ambiguity here, try all you like. This is a classic postmodern tactic to discredit the opposition. Logic is not one of their strong points.

Furthermore, Catholics who have been a leader in the charge against abortion do not support the death penalty anyway. They are the ones who are refusing to give Biden and Gore communion.

But then again that wouldn't faze you...

...you probably don't even think that God has a right to execute justice since it is within him that we discover life is sacred.

Postmodern spirituality has more in common with atheism than New Testament Christianity.less

If human life is intrisicly valuable, then it makes no difference whether that life is three months old or a hundred and three - it is worth protecting. Obama wants to rewrite the US Constitution to overthrow all the state rights and laws which were implimented by tax paying citizens - forcing them into the slaughter of the innocent. That's Obama! That's the change that we can bel...more

If human life is intrisicly valuable, then it makes no difference whether that life is three months old or a hundred and three - it is worth protecting.

Obama wants to rewrite the US Constitution to overthrow all the state rights and laws which were implimented by tax paying citizens - forcing them into the slaughter of the innocent.

That's Obama!
That's the change that we can believe in!

Obama has already promised Planned Parenthood that this would be the first assignment accomplished on his desk. Forget about "we the people" it doesn't matter if the majority want to limit abortions - this is Obama city!less

blue, I didn't know that life was a game of truth or dare. Huckabee was denounced here on Christian Post (by atheists and agnostics) when he mentioned the notion of amending the constitution to include protection of al human life. Now that Obama wants to take away state rights to adopt alternative measures, where are they now???? "The most horific of circumstances"??? ...more

blue, I didn't know that life was a game of truth or dare.

Huckabee was denounced here on Christian Post (by atheists and agnostics) when he mentioned the notion of amending the constitution to include protection of al human life.

Now that Obama wants to take away state rights to adopt alternative measures, where are they now????

"The most horific of circumstances"???

In the case of the life of a mother, abortion was already legal well before Roe v Wade.less

Me and a friend once went to the house of a pastor of a Methodist Church. He asked the pastor how a person gets to heaven and he answered, you have to be a good person. My friend then asked him what about being born again? His reply was, "I can't preach that. I'm born again, but I can't preach that."

Daniel that's hilarious - a poll on the defectiveness of polls.

" According to Stanley Kurtz of National Review Online, "ACORN succeeded in drawing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the very policies that led to the current disaster." ACORN put pressure on banks by threatening them with accusations of racism if they didn’t give loans to minorities, even if they were completely unqualified. Kurtz goes on: "At both the...more

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According to Stanley Kurtz of National Review Online, "ACORN succeeded in drawing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the very policies that led to the current disaster." ACORN put pressure on banks by threatening them with accusations of racism if they didn’t give loans to minorities, even if they were completely unqualified.

Kurtz goes on: "At both the local and national levels, then, ACORN served as the critical catalyst, levering pressure created by the Community Reinvestment Act and pull with Democratic politicians to force Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into a pattern of high-risk loans. Up to now, conventional wisdom on the financial meltdown has relegated ACORN and the CRA to bit parts... In fact, however, ACORN is at the base of the whole mess…And Barack Obama cut his teeth as an organizer and politician backing up ACORN's economic madness every step of the way."
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Believer, it wasn't soon after the Civil War, it was more like after the Civil Rights era of the 60s. Slavery was in fact the Democratic Party line. And like it or not it was they who filibustered anti-lynching legislation right up in the mid 1900s. "Look in the South Seed, notice how overwhelming the populace is black and yet they have not even a close representation there."...more

Believer, it wasn't soon after the Civil War, it was more like after the Civil Rights era of the 60s.

Slavery was in fact the Democratic Party line. And like it or not it was they who filibustered anti-lynching legislation right up in the mid 1900s.

"Look in the South Seed, notice how overwhelming the populace is black and yet they have not even a close representation there."

After the Civil War there was black representation until the Democrats fought to restore state rights to adopt their own laws, which ensued with them all being turned out of office.

Anyone can blame the government, but it is still quite obvious that the southern Democrats were pro-slavery and fought for their rights to maintain slavery at the consternation of the northern states which primarily consisted of Republicans. Be that as it may it was in fact radical Republicans who voiced opposition to slavery, it was they who in fact chose to push for Lincoln's candidacy. It is a fact that the BIG issues was slavery.

Granted Lincoln used a lot of political tact which has caused for some historical revisionism. If you look at it from his scope you can easily see why he said certain things and adopted certain measures. It worked - or it almost worked, if it wasn't for the southern Democrats who were reinstated by Andrew upon Lincoln's assassination.less

What I think has happened is the Democratic Party dangled a carrot to get the black vote. I think that the fact of Obama's involvement with social activism reveals how the black people are being exploited in an ultimate power play by communists. It is not a secret how they have operated in black communities specifically to wreek havic on our economy. Then all they have to do is blame Republic...more

What I think has happened is the Democratic Party dangled a carrot to get the black vote. I think that the fact of Obama's involvement with social activism reveals how the black people are being exploited in an ultimate power play by communists. It is not a secret how they have operated in black communities specifically to wreek havic on our economy. Then all they have to do is blame Republicans who all along were in fact respecting black people as their equals.

That being said, beleiver, I do understand that racism is a problem in every community and crosses party lines. Sin is not a political problem no more that it is a racial problem. This is where Agent would go his separate path. There is only one hope for sinners - Jesus!less

Again Agent, the US government did not target black people and The Declaration of Independence states quite clearly that all men are created equal. The original language was even more directed against slavery and was removed to solidify the south in joining their cause against the British. Therefore it would seem illogical to me for blacks to blame the US government for slavery, especially con...more

Again Agent, the US government did not target black people and The Declaration of Independence states quite clearly that all men are created equal. The original language was even more directed against slavery and was removed to solidify the south in joining their cause against the British.

Therefore it would seem illogical to me for blacks to blame the US government for slavery, especially considering the Confederate rebellion. In light of the Democratic Party's aggressive advocacy for slavery, if they wanted to play the blame game, why not hate the Confederacy or the Democratic Party?

By the way the only single fact check that I stand corrected on was with Mccain when he misquoted Hillary, which I attributed to Hillary criticizing Obama. I'm not saying that I have not made other mistakes nor am I implying that I have all of my ducks in a row. Last time I checked I don't have any ducks anyway.less

Alright Agent, the sight I got it from must have made a mistake of tagging it to Hillary. McCain said it in reference to Hillary's primary debate against Obama.

I am not going to condone racial violence or acts of terror instigated by anyone, whateve party affiliation or national heritage that may come in. My point merely was that the Democratic Pary slogan was pro-slavery. Were there any anti-slavery Democrats? Maybe you can come up with one or two if you can. It was the Democratic Party who fought for a hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation ...more

I am not going to condone racial violence or acts of terror instigated by anyone, whateve party affiliation or national heritage that may come in. My point merely was that the Democratic Pary slogan was pro-slavery. Were there any anti-slavery Democrats? Maybe you can come up with one or two if you can. It was the Democratic Party who fought for a hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation to maintain a virtual slave society. Why did they decide to dangle a carrot to get black voters? My guess is that it was not exactly altruistic motives.

And by the way, about this KKK stuff. Again, it was Republicans that were lynched along side of the black man. And it was the Democrats who filibustered anti-lynching laws to their death.less

Have you ever heard of google agent? I put the facts on the table, like it or not. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93AIV882&show_article=1 It looks like the Democrats are up to their dirty tricks again. Two centuries ago they tried to monopolize Washington by adding non-voting blacks to the political census which led to the three-fifths compromise, which still alowed for 24 s...more

Have you ever heard of google agent?

I put the facts on the table, like it or not.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93AIV882&show_article=1

It looks like the Democrats are up to their dirty tricks again. Two centuries ago they tried to monopolize Washington by adding non-voting blacks to the political census which led to the three-fifths compromise, which still alowed for 24 seats extra.

Now with ACORN, in 2007 Indianapolis had 677,401 individuals registered to vote even though they only had 644,197 voting age-eligible individuals. In 2005 Missouri had some counties with voter lists as high as 153% of their actual population. I guess some things never change. This is all a result of the motor voter plan instituted by Clinton and defended in court by Obama when he represented radical socialist organization ACORN.

http://theheritagefoundry.org/2008/10/09/motor-voter-acorn-vote-fraud/less

"So back to the original point now, are you getting a feeling with all the injustices against minorities in general and blacks in particular WHY they'd would be just a little upset at the US Govt.? Might this help to explain, along with the pathetic response to the victims of Katina WHY the GDA episode from the pastor?" Is it logical for blacks to hate America for the autrocities...more

"So back to the original point now, are you getting a feeling with all the injustices against minorities in general and blacks in particular WHY they'd would be just a little upset at the US Govt.? Might this help to explain, along with the pathetic response to the victims of Katina WHY the GDA episode from the pastor?"

Is it logical for blacks to hate America for the autrocities committed to them by Democrats? No, it doesn't sound logical to me considering the US actually went to war with the southern Democratic (aka Confederates) and many people sacrificed their lives for their freedom. And by the way according to a poll 30% of white Democrats refuse to vote for a black candidate. You would never be able to say that about the Republican Party. George Bush has appointed more blacks to government offices than any other president in US history.

Only a Democrat would think that it is good and proper for US citizens to hate America. Why? Because the Democratic Party has been taken over by Soviet Communists for one thing. First it was John Kerry and now Obama.
You guys should rename your party The Reddems.less

"Right, after like 400 years of slavery" It was 211 years of slavery to be precise. The first documented full-fledged US slave was recorded in 1654. Incidentally it was a black master. The Confederates surrendered in 1865 and the Emancipation Proclamation drafted by Republicans freed the slaves. Following the assassination of Republican Abraham Lincoln led to Democratic Vice President...more

"Right, after like 400 years of slavery"

It was 211 years of slavery to be precise. The first documented full-fledged US slave was recorded in 1654. Incidentally it was a black master. The Confederates surrendered in 1865 and the Emancipation Proclamation drafted by Republicans freed the slaves. Following the assassination of Republican Abraham Lincoln led to Democratic Vice President Andrew Johnson's office; allowing the south to subjugate the new free blacks in the south and strip the rights that the northern states and the Republican legislators fought so hard for. The Republican Congress of 1875 drafted the first civil rights act just in time for the Democrats literally took power. The south was the heart of the Democratic Party. If there was one thing Democrats had in common it was pro-slavery, whether southern or northern (Andrew Johnson for example). The states fought hard to regain their political authority over blacks. Every black man who was elected to office was given the boot. According to Congressional Record, the Democrats used filibuster tactics and committees to stop all anti-lynching laws from being passed. 30% of the victims were white. How many of these were Republicans?less

"Look, we don't care about an old washed-up terrorist and his wife, who still, at least on Sept. 11, 2001, said he still wanted to bomb more. That's not the point here. The point is Sen. Obama said he was just a guy in the neighborhood. We know that's just not true. We need to know the full extent of the relationship because of whether Sen. Obama is telling the truth to the Ame...more

"Look, we don't care about an old washed-up terrorist and his wife, who still, at least on Sept. 11, 2001, said he still wanted to bomb more. That's not the point here. The point is Sen. Obama said he was just a guy in the neighborhood. We know that's just not true. We need to know the full extent of the relationship because of whether Sen. Obama is telling the truth to the American people or not. That's the question." - Hillary Clintonless

One more thing Agent, Obama was endorsed by Planned Parenthood over Hillary, what more do you need to know about his record? http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

No, the US actually gave Africans equal rights, it was the Democratic politicians who filibustered and overturned every single attempt made to establishing them as regular citizens. Read your history, oh I forgot the liberal NEA doesn't require that part of history.