Christian Clergy Rally on Opposite Sides of Gay Marriage Debate

shadow_man »

Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:14 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 4

Daniel Paul: You can practice whatever faith you want and you can live your life following whatever values you choose and attend whatever church you want and practice the faith of your choosing. Nobody is trying to deny you this. There is no agenda by gay people or anyone else to prevent you from doing so. Nobody said anything about going into a church and doing things in front of a pastor, so I don't know what point you were making there.

The hypocrisy I mentioned was about mobilizing people to fight for legal opposition to rights for homosexuals, as if this particular (so-called) sin was somehow more egregious than the more acceptable ones commonly committed by heterosexuals. As I said, I don't see any political movement to fight marriage rights for fornicators, adulterers, or divorcees. You or your pastor may disapprove of these actions, and may preach about them in your church, but that is a far cry from trying to prevent people from having the legal right to divorce and remarry, for example.

See now? Who has the agenda? And see the hypocrisy?

Let's be clear. Gay people do not interfere with Christians' rights to live their life the way they wish and practice their faith. Christians are constantly trying to interfere with gay people's rights to live their life the way they want. It's only in response to this interference that you get gay people taking on churches and religions.

Christian Clergy Rally on Opposite Sides of Gay Marriage Debate

shadow_man »

Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Any educated Christian would know that. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality. http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=10620&pid=805 http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html http://www.christchapel.com/romans_inter.html http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/about/homosexuality.html http://www.gaychristian101.com/ Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will. This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God's will. hide

Christian Clergy Rally on Opposite Sides of Gay Marriage Debate

shadow_man »

Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show For those of you claiming homosexuality is a "lifestyle", that is a false and ignorant statement. Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don't choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological. http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/ There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. "Nurture" may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological. hide

Obama Uses Jesus' Sermon to Bolster Gay Civil Unions

shadow_man »

Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:43 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Any educated Christian would know that. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages often cherry picked refer to idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality.

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http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=10620&pid=805
http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html
http://www.christchapel.com/romans_inter.html
http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/about/homosexuality.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/

Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. $100 say this will be erased, but by doing that, you are only denying yourself the truth. Jesus clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will.