jerryc, it seems to me that you have been wounded by your sister who thinks she is a Prophetess. I know it must be hard in dealing with someone who wants to control you and to claim that God said such and such perhaps even you looking for it to happen but was disapppointed and hurt that it did not. I also detect some unforgiveness in your heart towards her and those like her. Unforgiveness is...more

jerryc, it seems to me that you have been wounded by your sister who thinks she is a Prophetess. I know it must be hard in dealing with someone who wants to control you and to claim that God said such and such perhaps even you looking for it to happen but was disapppointed and hurt that it did not. I also detect some unforgiveness in your heart towards her and those like her.

Unforgiveness is a powerful tool of Satan to destroy relationships and to bound people up. As long as Satan can imprison you in it he can control your life and make it miserable through the people and circumstances in your life.

God requires that we forgive those who have done us wrong. Jesus said that if you don't forgive those who have done you wrong God will not forgive you. (Matt 6:15)

Forgiveness brings healing and it is liberating. (I know this from personal experience.) I would like to encourage you to go to God in prayer and ask Him to help you forgive your sister from your heart, and when He does confess it. Pray for her that God will deal with her in her sins, open her eyes to truth, and bring her to repentance.less

You still don't get it oldstudent. You have no clue about what I am talking about.

oldstudent >>>Listing of human desired qualities in an elder/leader<<< I was not talking about desired qualitites in those who are called into the professional ministry. I was refering to characteristics of people who have the gift of Prophet, Server, Teacher, Exhorter, Giver, Ruler (Administrator), One who shows Mercy. I have had a Pastor who was gifted for Administra...more

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>>>Listing of human desired qualities in an elder/leader<<<


I was not talking about desired qualitites in those who are called into the professional ministry. I was refering to characteristics of people who have the gift of Prophet, Server, Teacher, Exhorter, Giver, Ruler (Administrator), One who shows Mercy.

I have had a Pastor who was gifted for Administration. Preaching was not his strength. Organizing and leading was. I had a Pastor who was gifted for Serving. Preaching was not his strength but helping people was. He would be quick to help someone in his church who needed help like going to the doctor, putting in an air-conditioner, fixing someone car's, picking up people for Church. His home was always open. Many times I would be at their house fellowshipping with them. I have had many Pastors who were gifted for teaching. They were very good at helping you understand the Word of God. I had a Pastor, a Southern Baptist Evangelist who God called into the Pastorate after 17 yrs in Evangelism, was gifted as a Prophet. There wasn't a service where people didn't get saved or repented from sin in their life. Mickey Bonner, the Southern Baptist Evangelist where I got a lot of this stuff from was an Exhorter.

You have entirely misuderstood what I meant by what I said. People who are gifted as a Prophet preaches, for example, with a style that calls out sin, cuts things to pieces, and calls people to repentance. They tend to be blunt. It is with them 'repent or perish!'. This kind does little in terms of explaining anything. It is not in their way of thinking.

Those who have the gift of teaching are always wanting to explain everything and do not approach preaching with the same kind of style that a Prophet does. Their focus is different. They want you to understand what God's Word says. The pastor I have now has the gift of teaching. He explains everything. Many times he will ask us after he has finished his sermon, "Did you learn something today?" The focus of a teacher's teaching is for you to understand what the Word of God says and not one where sin is focused on and a call to repent like it is with a person who is gifted as a Prophet. Calling people to repentance like a Prophet type would do isn't a focus nor is encouraging spiritual betterment a focus like it would be for one who is an exhorter.

The main gist of an Exhorter is one of encouraging people to spiritual betterment and they too do not focus on explaining things like one who is gifted as a Teacher nor do they call out sin, cut things to pieces, and says repent or perish like a Prophet would.less

Maybe these Churches should remain their Church, "Darwin's Church" and preach his godless theology.

Hi Daniel Paul I guess Prophet was requesting jerryc for scripture to back up what he was sharing. Sometimes I quote or give scripture references sometimes I don't.

Prophet - have you gotten a word from God yet about Wilkerson's vision concerning the coming economic collapse?

Who are you talking to Prophet?

One function of a Prophet is to speak for God. God has revealed to me that He wants me to speak for Him in regard to doctrine. But I can't right now because of certain kinds of sin in my life. But if and when I repent then God will have me to do it but I will do it with a teaching style, which is the way I think, and not in the style of a Prophet.

By the comments being made I see I have failed to communicate what I mean by the kind of motivational gift God has given you.

MuggleBorn One of the two New Year's resolutions I made with the Lord in 1980 was I wanted to know what my place was in the kingdom of God. God answered my prayer without me really realizing it. But before He answered there were things I had to deal with in my life. One was surrendering to God to put His will first in my life. Then He had me deal with my relationship problems. Afterward...more

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One of the two New Year's resolutions I made with the Lord in 1980 was I wanted to know what my place was in the kingdom of God. God answered my prayer without me really realizing it. But before He answered there were things I had to deal with in my life. One was surrendering to God to put His will first in my life. Then He had me deal with my relationship problems. Afterwards He dealt with my need to forgive my mother who had abused me verbally and psychologically while I was growing up. After I forgave my mother and asked Him to fill me with His spirit my life changed. He healed my wounded spirit, and set me free to love people according to 1 Cor 13:4-7.

I use to like listening to good Bible teachers. My Pastor at the time was one such person. But after I forgave my mother and was filled with God's spirit, then I no longer wanted to listen to good Bible teachers but wanted instead to be the teacher.

When the new year approached I made 5 requests of God of what I would like to see happen in my life in 1981. Four of them are of a spiritual nature. They were as follows:

1) I wanted to be a woman of prayer
2) I wanted to grow in the knowledge and wisdom of God
3) I wanted to know what my spiritual gift was and to use it
4) I wanted to be a soul winner

I had had many psychological problems growing up that resulted in me having relationship problem. The first six months of 1981 God taught me why I did the things that I did. Afterwards, God began to send me out into the world I lived in to minister God to people. He always brought someone in my life with a similar problem that I was having. I was able to relate to that person. I would point them to Jesus as an answer to their problem(s), and I would pray for their needs.

I grew in my knowldege of God, His Word and would share according to what God had taught me with those who He gave me to minister to. My ministry grew over time and it took on and still does many different forms.

God has done many thing through the ministry He has given me. People have been saved, healed, had miracles done in their life, and etc.

I did not know or was aware of what my spiritual gift was even though I was operating in it. After a long period of time I suspected it was Teacher since that is what I found my self doing all the time regardless of whether I was prophesing, serving, teaching, exhorting, giving, ruling, or showing mercy to those who needed mercy.

The teaching I have given on this thread I heard from the Southern Baptist Evangelist Mickey Bonner (now deceased). His teaching has helped me see that I have the motivational gift of teacher and that many of the problems I have stem from walking in the flesh.less

We are commanded to serve in all capacities Prophet. But the way you express yourself would identify what your motivational gift would be. Based on what I know of your postings on CP and assuming it is consistent with your life apart from CP I would say it would be Prophet. For me it is Teacher. A teacher is someone who is always wanting to explain everything. No matter what God has asked me ...more

We are commanded to serve in all capacities Prophet. But the way you express yourself would identify what your motivational gift would be. Based on what I know of your postings on CP and assuming it is consistent with your life apart from CP I would say it would be Prophet.

For me it is Teacher. A teacher is someone who is always wanting to explain everything. No matter what God has asked me to do in terms of prophesing, serving, teaching, exhorting, giving, ruling, or showing mercy I find myself opening to and wanting to explain in detail some kind of spiritual truth that I feel is pertinant to the situation. I outlined that in my Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:43 am post.less

Forgivensinner >>>If you had the motivational gift of Prophet then you would be the kind of person that can't stand to see sin in a person's life and will call it out in his life and you wouldn't care if it hurts his feelings or not. If you were of the servant type you would always be looking to find ways to minister to someone in their need. If you were of the teacher t...more

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>>>If you had the motivational gift of Prophet then you would be the kind of person that can't stand to see sin in a person's life and will call it out in his life and you wouldn't care if it hurts his feelings or not. If you were of the servant type you would always be looking to find ways to minister to someone in their need. If you were of the teacher type you would be a person who wants to rightly divide the truth of God's Word, you would study to show yourself approved and you would always wants to explain everything in detail. An exhorter type can't stand to see a believer not living for God as he should/could and wants to see that person come to a greater walk with God. A giver type person is a person who is generous with his money and doesn't mind giving it to someone or giving it to a ministry that is in need. A ruler/administrator type can see a problem, know the solution to it, work out the details, and is able to see the task to its end. A mercy type person is a person who is always sensitive to the needs of others and is waiting for an opportunity to meet that person's need.<<<

From these general descriptions, do you have a prophet's heart, a server's heart, a teacher's heart, an exhorter's heart, a giver's heart, a ruler's heart, or a heart for mercy?less

oldstudent - My discussions have been on the gifts mentioned in Romans 12:6-8 not the ministry gifts mentioned in 1 Cor 12:27,28, Eph 4:11-12, or the manisfestation gifts mentioned in 1 Cor 12:7-11 which you are using to disagree with what I wrote. Please give your understanding of Romans 12:6-8.

When one becomes born-again he/she (hereafter refered to as he) receives a spiritual gift that he will have for his entire life that gives him an enthusiasm for a particular kind of ministry to the body of Christ and it consumes how he thinks, approaches situations and the like. This type of spiritual gift is termed "motivational gift". The motivational gifts are defined in Romans 12:...more

When one becomes born-again he/she (hereafter refered to as he) receives a spiritual gift that he will have for his entire life that gives him an enthusiasm for a particular kind of ministry to the body of Christ and it consumes how he thinks, approaches situations and the like. This type of spiritual gift is termed "motivational gift".

The motivational gifts are defined in Romans 12:6-8. They are prophecy, ministry, teaching, exhortation, giving, ruler, and mercy.

A person who receives the motivational gift of

1) prophecy would be termed a Prophet
2) mininistry would be termed a Servant
3) teaching, a Teacher
4) exhortation, an exhorter
5) giving, a giver
6) ruler, an administrator
7) mercy, a person who shows mercy.

If you had the motivational gift of Prophet then you would be the kind of person that can't stand to see sin in a person's life and will call it out in his life and you wouldn't care if it hurts his feelings or not. If you were of the servant type you would always be looking to find ways to minister to someone in their need. If you were of the teacher type you would be a person who wants to rightly divide the truth of God's Word, you would study to show yourself approved and you would always wants to explain everything in detail. An exhorter type can't stand to see a believer not living for God as he should/could and wants to see that person come to a greater walk with God. A giver type person is a person who is generous with his money and doesn't mind giving it to someone or giving it to a ministry that is in need. A ruler/administrator type can see a problem, know the solution to it, work out the details, and is able to see the task to its end. A mercy type person is a person who is always sensitive to the needs of others and is waiting for an opportunity to meet that person's need.less

Part 2 A believer will find that whatever his motivational gift is it comes easy for him, it controls how he relates to people and situations, and he finds joy and fulfillment when he is operating in it. There are certain personality traits that dominate a believer in his motivational gift. If the believer is living for God then he will possess positive (good) traits and if the believer is ...more

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A believer will find that whatever his motivational gift is it comes easy for him, it controls how he relates to people and situations, and he finds joy and fulfillment when he is operating in it.

There are certain personality traits that dominate a believer in his motivational gift. If the believer is living for God then he will possess positive (good) traits and if the believer is living in the flesh, and out of the will of God he will have certain negative traits in his life.

For each motivational type, I have listed, with a little description, the good and bad traits that are dominate in the believer who possesses that particular gift.

1) Prophet

Good traits:

Truthful - sees something not right with God and will cut it to pieces or will see something in someone's life and will call him on it

Obedient - yields to the mind of God and allows God to speak through him

Sincere - he is open; you can look at his face and read his heart

Virtuous - lives righteously

Bold - will express what sin is and will say it no matter who it hurts

Forgive - doesn't care what people say; no matter what someone says about him he is forgiving

Persuasive - good at persuading someone to believe something


Bad Traits

Deceptive - give an appearance or impression different from the true one

Willful - will accept anything, will give place to the devil easily

Hypocrite - sell you one thing and be something else.

Defilement - lives in defilement

Afraid - has fear in calling out sin in a person's life

Rejection - if people speaks badly about him he will reject them, doesn't want anything to do with them

Argumentative - thinks he is the only one who is right and will argue with you.

2) Minister-Servant

Good Traits

Alert - attentive to the needs of others

Hospitable - home is always open, wants to have people around

Generous - wants to give things away; when he gives he wants to give more than is needed

Flexible - easily adaptable to what someone else wants to

Available - someone who you can call on anytime

Endurance - can keep on keeping on; can always keep giving him stuff to do

Bad Traits

Unaware - unaware of the needs of others

Lonely - doesn't want to be around people

Stingy - holds on to what he has; won't share

Withdrawal - doesn't want to be with people

Resistant - resists change; resists the move of God in his life

Dominate - wants to have his own way

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Part 3 3) Teacher Good Traits Accuracy - speaks with accuracy; studies to show himself approved, memorizes scrioture, and etc. Reverent - Word of God means something to him and will yield to it Dilligent - will study and take care of every detail Thorough - very thorough, takes care of every detail, and will continnue until he completes task. Dependable - can count on them ...more

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3) Teacher

Good Traits

Accuracy - speaks with accuracy; studies to show himself approved, memorizes scrioture, and etc.

Reverent - Word of God means something to him and will yield to it

Dilligent - will study and take care of every detail

Thorough - very thorough, takes care of every detail, and will continnue until he completes task.

Dependable - can count on them

Secure - is a secure person; knows he is in the right place at the right time

Patient - is patient with you

Bad Traits

Careless - when called upon to teach he doesn't study, doesn't expound on the word of God but depends on others to do his job by sharing their opinion and etc.

Disrespectful - Word of God means nothing to him

Slothful - lazy; doesn't care about details

Incomplete - will not coplete what he starts

Inconsistent - can't count on them; if given a teaching job they may or may not show up

Anxiety - Anxious because he is uncertain; doesn't know if he is in the right place at the right time or is saying the right thing

Restless - is impatient and bound up by relationships

4) Exhorter

Good Traits

Godly Wisdom - gets God's solution to a problem

Discernment - can look at a person and a situation and know what the need is

Faith - agrees with God, believes God, submits and believes God based on the mind of God; comes to a place of faith where he finds it easy to believe God

Discretion - very quiet, will not speak about people, not judgmental, will not share conversation he has with other people

Self-Control - controls himself in every area of his life: money, food, conversation, material things, etc

Creative - can put anything together

Enthusiastic - quietly has enthusiasm for the Word, the ministry of God, and about what God can do through him

Bad Traits

Natural Inclination - will work out a solution that doesn't need God

Judgmental - has a spirit of criticism; quick to speak; gossips

Presumptious - presumes people are unhappy, the world is angry, presumes too quicky on people (I thought you would think it was alright)

Simple Minded - will not go into depth of a problem

Self-Gratification - given over to or seeks fleshy gratifications

Underachiever - doesn't want to be bother with coming up with a solution to a problem; doesn't want to do anything

Apathetic - not interested in anything; doesn't want to be involved,just let the world go byless

Part 4 5) Giver Good Traits Resourceful - everything he puts his hand to succeeds; has ability to make money Thrifty - will not spend until God moves him to Content - money doesn't mean anything to them Punctual - always on time Tolerant - unaffected by the prodding of others; does things when God says to Cautious - waits on the Lord; knows the mind of God before he g...more

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5) Giver

Good Traits

Resourceful - everything he puts his hand to succeeds; has ability to make money

Thrifty - will not spend until God moves him to

Content - money doesn't mean anything to them

Punctual - always on time

Tolerant - unaffected by the prodding of others; does things when God says to

Cautious - waits on the Lord; knows the mind of God before he gives

Grateful - appreciates what people do for him; what they do means something to him

Bad Traits

Wasteful - throws money down the drain, achieves nothing

Extravagant - lacks restraint in spending

Covetous - wants more; holds on tight to what he has

Tardy - always late; no regard for anyone but himself

Prejudice - feels he is above everyone; doesn't like those he considers beneath him in class, race, and etc

Impulsive - knows he has to give, doesn't wait on God, doesn't know the mind of God and gives out of fear and guilt

Pride - is full of himself; 'look at me; look at what I have done'


6) Ruler/Administrator

Good Traits

Neat - always neat and orderly

Inititative - is able to take a situation, compound it, work out the solution, and follows it through to its end

Responsible - takes a job to its completion

Bold - is filled with courage and assumes the position of authority over a situation

Decisive - can come to a decision and stand with it

Determined (tenacious) - gets ahold of something; sees something that needs to be done and will see it to its end

Loyaty - remains loyal to the man he is working for

Bad Traits

Disorganized - not orderly in business

Unresponsive - can't get the person to do anything; unresponsive to God's will

Irresponsible - can't depend on him to do anything

Coward - doesn't want to get involved; afraid he can't do it

Double Minded - is wishy washy; unstable in his ways; is indecisive

Faint Hearted (timid) - starts something and doesn't finish it; lack confidence

Unfaithful - unfaithful to what he is suppose to doless

Part 5 7) Mercy Good Traits Attentive - always ready to listen; waits for an opportunity to respond to a person's need Sensitive - has sensitivity to the needs of people; meets the person's need Fairness - impartial; will meet the needs according to God's will Compassion - is broken, can feel what you feel Gentle - is gentle, peaceful, and longsuffering Def...more

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7) Mercy

Good Traits

Attentive - always ready to listen; waits for an opportunity to respond to a person's need

Sensitive - has sensitivity to the needs of people; meets the person's need

Fairness - impartial; will meet the needs according to God's will

Compassion - is broken, can feel what you feel

Gentle - is gentle, peaceful, and longsuffering

Deference - defers to other people; will let others get their needs met, get the victory, get the praise

Meekness - lets Christ be Lord (yields to God) so He can rule in his life

Bad Traits

Unapproachable - can't get close to him; doesn't want to be involved

Callous - doesn't care about what someone needs

Partiality - partial to some

Indifference - he could care less

Harsh - critical; can't stand to be around the people he should have compassion for

Rude - impolite in an offensive way; always wants to be first; doesn't let anyone get ahead of him

Anger - don't tell me what to do; doesn't like being controlled


God has a place for you in the Kingdom of God. He has gifted you with a certain motivational gift that He wants to use in the work he has ordained for you to do. Seek God in what your gift is. Submit yourself to God to do His will. He will make use of the motivational gift He has given you. If you do, you will find joy and fulfillment in the work God has for you to do.less

I will be posting, hopefully later today, some detail regarding the personality traits of each of the motivational gifts that may be helpful in a believer identifying his/her motivational gift.

I feel led to share some things about spiritual gifts that I learned from listening to a teaching given by a Southern Baptist Evangelist by the name of Mickey Bonner (now deceased). The Word of God talks about spiritual gifts. These gifts can be broken down into three categories. They are the motivational gifts (Romans 12:6-8), the ministry gifts (1 Cor 12:27,28, Eph 4:11-12), and the manisfest...more

I feel led to share some things about spiritual gifts that I learned from listening to a teaching given by a Southern Baptist Evangelist by the name of Mickey Bonner (now deceased).

The Word of God talks about spiritual gifts. These gifts can be broken down into three categories. They are the motivational gifts (Romans 12:6-8), the ministry gifts (1 Cor 12:27,28, Eph 4:11-12), and the manisfestation gifts (1 Cor 12:7-11).

Scripture is clear about what the ministry gifts are (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher, working of miracles, healing ministries, service ministries, leadership, tongues). Scripture is also clear on what the manisfestation gifts are that God give according to His will that all may profit (word of wisdom, word of knowledge, faith, gifts of healing, working of miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, divers tongues, and interpretation of tongues).

But what about the motivational gifts?

The motivational gifts are what I want to focus on here. I hope it will be of some help.

God gives to each person who becomes born-again a spiritual gift that, in a sense, controls how the believer thinks, what drives him, why he does what he does, how he approachs everyday life and situations, shows a talent for, finds joy and fulfillment in when operating in his gift, and etc. Each believer gets only one gift and that gifts remains with him through out his entire life.

There are 7 types of gifts of this nature. They are identified in Romans 12:7-11. They are 1)Prophet, 2) Minister-Servant, 3) Teacher, 4) Exhorter, 5) Giver, 6) Ruler/Leader/Administrator, 7) Mercy. These 7 gifts I refer to here are termed "motivational gifts".

Most believers, if not all, want to know what his/her spiritual gift is it. What do they have a talent for? How do they use their gift.less