Darwin Was Wrong, Scientists Argue

steveh20 »

Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thanks for that MG

"My point is, there is always something from which things "pop."

Yeah, the quantum vacuum, seems we agree on that.

"Having admitted to dark matter and dark energy, your only conclusion have to be that "energy was supplied from somewhere;"

You don't seem to have grasped that dark matter and dark energy are two different things. I would respectfully suggest that having seen your understanding of the Heisenberg principle (and your reply on being shown the correct interpretation) , it is on par with your understanding of the quantum vacuum, no energy is needed to be supplied, nothing produces something at that scale. "The offense of the quantum is foolishness to those who are untaught in it", to misquote st Paul.

You would be much better off, doing the studying and sitting the exams, it will stand you in better stead. Should you have actually done that, I would ask for your money back.

Bw

Steve

Darwin Was Wrong, Scientists Argue

steveh20 »

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Hello Mg, yeah its quite annoying when people just cut and paste, I quite agree, I prefer to study and sit the exams. It's especially annoying is it not, when people don't like what they have written being more specifically defined. No, in the quantum world something really does come from nothing the vacuum of space shows this, as well as the maths etc.. No energy is applied at all, as seen in laboratories, the energy of nothing is enough, which is not the same as it being applied, no energy is applied from without..

Sorry, but Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is that both the momentum and position of an electron cannot be known, its either one or the other not both, no increase in technology will change this, the reason being that the electron is being observed.

Bw

Steve

Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro

steveh20 »

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:18 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

"What I don't understand is how people who profess to have open minds, who profess to believe in tolerance, who profess to be intelligent,"

Mary, you'll have to count me out of that description, on somethings I don't have an open mind and take my word for it I can be more than intolerant sometimes, as for intelligent, I'll run with that.

Regards

Steve

Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro

steveh20 »

Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Hello ID

Thank you for the prompt reply...I'll stick to the two things I commented on.

Yes, you are wrong on both points, neither of which you have replied to, they are...

1. Fossils do not give absolute dates as you wrote they only give relative dates of strata, that is just wrong ,saying that misrepresents geology and geologists

2. You claimed evolutionists say rocks (but I think you mean strata") take millions of years to be deposited, once again this is wrong. In geology it is reconised that there are many different time scales for deposition. Again you misrepresent what geologists say.

By all means put forward what you believe to be correct,but please, don't do it by misrepresenting what your opponents say...you do yourself no credit in that respect.

Once again, thank you for the reply

Bw

Steve

Darwin Was Wrong, Scientists Argue

steveh20 »

Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Hello MG

Your in the ball park concerning galaxies and Dark Matter, but the correct way to think about it, is that the gravitational lensing cannot be completely caused by the galaxies that the light bends around because they do not contain enough, mass, rather than energy. This is why Dark Matter is postulated.

Dark energy is postulated because it is observed that the universes expansion is accelerating. The matter in the universe should at least be slowing it down. Dark Energy is believed to be the cause of this rather surprising observation. The best thing that can be said concerning Dark Energy is that it really is the result of nothing. In the vacuum (not the same as lack of air) of space at the quantum level virtual particles can "pop" in and out of existence for very brief periods of time, space time is so large that adding of these particles tiny energies up results in the Dark Energy that is creating the observed acceleration. If anybody ever tells you that something can't come out of nothing, don't believe them, in quantum theory, if you start with nothing you always end up with something (and its been observed in the laboratory).

Bw

Steve

Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro

steveh20 »

Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Hello ID

I posted some answers to the list you provided concerning things that disprove evolution (some of which had nothing to do with it, but that's another matter) the other day on the "scientists say Darwin was wrong" article. You never answered to what I wrote, in fact you went verrrryy quite. Why was that? I was quite dissapointed . Do you like to hit and run? I'd be happy to continue the debate. For reference I picked up on the circular reasoning of using fossils to date rock, and also trees that appear to cut across strata that took millions of year to be deposited.

Looking forward to hearing from you further on these matters.

Bw

Steve

Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:53 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

I've looked at your messages wilderness, shall I take that as red then?

Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:27 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

"Next they will give out Christmas ornaments with Charles Darwin kneeling at the manger."

Surely you mean Charles Dickens?

Gord bless yu gov'ner....

:-)

Steve

Darwin Was Wrong, Scientists Argue

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"Well, you can have your hatred for mankind but I will take my Loving God anyday."..

Darwin Was Wrong, Scientists Argue

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Thats right slacker, because its a fact, no evolutionists, what so ever give time and money to charity, because they hate everybody, thank goodness you have the proof to back that up.

Steve

Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:42 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

Greeting to all....

Whilst we are at it, before the evolution and Nazis bit starts ...I wondered, last week on the AIG feed back page, Bodie Hodge wrote that it was wrong to lie to Nazi's looking for Jews, that you did not know where they were hidden. I wondered what those here who think evolution is contrary to Gods;'s word thought of that pronouncement from a major Christian (?)ministry, would you agree with it. If I was a Jew, would you give my hiding place away to the fascist Nazis.

I appreciate you will want alink to confirm what I write so here it is...

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/11/13/feedback-righteous-lie

Steve

Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:32 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

Eh.....Who was surprised? Many of us have been reading (and watching KC, on that chair.... ) about this event, on the web for weeks.

Having seen this book given out on American campuses, I expect to see all evolutionary science of the past 150 year's now fall apart........nah, I just made that bit up, but I bet I had you fooled?

Ted Haggard to Host Regular Prayer Gatherings

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"Carrie White's mother Margaret" ......Who she?

WEA: Climate Change Not Controversial Among Non-U.S. Evangelicals

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Had not read the post by ptrubel, before I posted about the oceans, talk about coincidence.

WEA: Climate Change Not Controversial Among Non-U.S. Evangelicals

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"Ask any proponent of global warming or climate change to show you the science and it is highly likely they cannot, because they have not looked at the science themselves and do not know where to find it."

I'm not sure if I consider myself a proponent, more like an observer, so how about..

The oceans becoming more acidic?

This is occurring due to the interaction between two of the short term terrestrial carbon reservoirs, the atmosphere and the upper ocean. The approximately
extra 9, 000,000,000, kgC that is anthropologically entered into the atmosphere each year changes the equilibrium between these two reservoirs. Some of the extra carbon dioxide in the atmospheric reservoir dissolves into the upper ocean resulting in the increased acidity, this is not good for some major populations of marine biota.

Oh, well, thought I'd give it ago.

Bw

Steve

Darwin Was Wrong, Scientists Argue

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Hello ifeel

Just to be fair to Richard, I don't believe he claim's that evolution disproves the existence of God, at least I have never heard him declare it the times I have heard him speak, I have heard him say, that is makes the existence of God much more unlikely. There is a distinct diffrence.

Twinslow, greetings. I wonder if maybe you would like to elaborate on your word picture, of fossils as marionettes. Thank you.

Steve

Ted Haggard to Host Regular Prayer Gatherings

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"Former megachurch pastor Ted Haggard will continue to host prayer meetings every Thursday night in his home after drawing around 150 to the first gathering last week"

Never saw that one coming.....

Steve
P.s. This is the second article on Ted that CP has mentioned that 30 people turned up who Ted did not know, bit lost on the relevance on that piece of news.

WEA: Climate Change Not Controversial Among Non-U.S. Evangelicals

steveh20 »

Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

No australian..

I have to disagree. It should not be Christians telling the truth regarding climate change, it should be those of whatever faith who have spent their careers studying the various aspects of it. When I want to know something regarding science, medicine etc..I'm not interested in their belief or lack of it, I listen to them because they are qualified to inform on on a particular topic. At the moment one can't move for those who have a view on climate change, the only problem being that 99.9% of them don't know anything about the topic.

Bw

Steve
P.s I think" austalian" should have a capital A, unless you don't like the Queen's English?

Boys Wearing Skirts to School? What's Going On?

steveh20 »

Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

Now believer, how many times must I tell you, stop talking common sense...

:-p

S

Darwin Was Wrong, Scientists Argue

steveh20 »

Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:07 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

This guys book is on my Christmas list already, I doubt I'll get one of the zillion free copies he has sent around the world.