LSC, this is the phase seed used...To even utilize inductive reasoning, the naturalist must suspend his belief in natural evolution." ...Hence the experiment I put forward in comparison to that comment.

My point to the experimant was that seed said that to use the induction method and trust the results as correct I had to give up the theory of evolution I just want to know why? What has that standard geological experiment got to do with evolution? I was not discussing the truth or falseness of evvolution. I was not talking about evolution at all or an experiment I have been told not to believ...more

My point to the experimant was that seed said that to use the induction method and trust the results as correct I had to give up the theory of evolution I just want to know why? What has that standard geological experiment got to do with evolution? I was not discussing the truth or falseness of evvolution. I was not talking about evolution at all or an experiment I have been told not to believe. You seem a little confused?less

Steve, we're you referring to experiments that infer the age of the earth? ...No, what gave you that idea, I was discussing temperature and pressure conditions for various metamorphic phase changes to occur as the atoms reorganise themselves to account for the new conditions. Nothing to do with the age of the Earth what so ever.

As far as I'm concerned, just because a person has a faith ( not just Christainty), it does not make them ignorant, don't see why it should.

Great Christian article.

If he has 90 days then this article seems a little premature?

No I read your post very well Crisp, I understand you did not say that your morals were medieval, I'm pointing out that should you have been alive 250 years ago (which was historically well past that time by the way) then that here is a good chance your moral stance on some issues might have been different.

Crisp, why do I think Rape is an action that is to wrong to carry out on a fellow human being, fair question. The answer is because I choose to have emphathy with my fellow human being be they male or female, to understand the suffering that such an act will bring upon them and also that they and they alone can choose of their own freewill who to be intimate with. If God sets the moral law and ...more

Crisp, why do I think Rape is an action that is to wrong to carry out on a fellow human being, fair question. The answer is because I choose to have emphathy with my fellow human being be they male or female, to understand the suffering that such an act will bring upon them and also that they and they alone can choose of their own freewill who to be intimate with. If God sets the moral law and we lived in a universe in which God said rape is okay (and in the Bible I'm not sure there is a verse stateing tha it is not) would it then be okay?


By the wa,y what moral law would be broken if parents and off spring chose to marry? Can you name it? The reason why it is socially not accepted(and I definately don't think it a good idea) is a good one, it is reconised what occurs to the offsrping etc.. in such events,less

Hello Seed, lets say I have a hypothosis that an element will change its phase at certain temperature and pressures lets take Carbon for example which has various polymorphs such as Diamond and graphite. I take some carbon and recreate these conditions in the lab to show that this indeed is the case (you can do this for various elements/minerals). Now explain to me why I must give up belief in e...more

Hello Seed, lets say I have a hypothosis that an element will change its phase at certain temperature and pressures lets take Carbon for example which has various polymorphs such as Diamond and graphite. I take some carbon and recreate these conditions in the lab to show that this indeed is the case (you can do this for various elements/minerals). Now explain to me why I must give up belief in evolution for accepting these results as being correct, having gone through the scientific method? Steveless

As I said LSC, if people wish to chase red herrings,both sides put forward such arguements around here, thats up to them, be they athesist or Christian (I'm not a very partisan person). Steve

This debate about whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian seems quite pointless to me, it adds nothing to the debate of whether God exists or not. Big red herring, though if people want to go down that route fine by me.

Dead right morals change Crisp, are you suggesting that your morals today are exactly the same as they would have been if you had been alive say 250 years ago? Happy with slaveryy? Sending little boys up chimmneys to clean them? Hanging people from trees for witchcraft? The role of women in society? Girls getting married much earlier than today? I'm quite happy to be a moral relativist becau...more

Dead right morals change Crisp, are you suggesting that your morals today are exactly the same as they would have been if you had been alive say 250 years ago? Happy with slaveryy? Sending little boys up chimmneys to clean them? Hanging people from trees for witchcraft? The role of women in society? Girls getting married much earlier than today? I'm quite happy to be a moral relativist because I reconise that my morals are not the same as then I also realise that I can be wrong and therefore might need to change my mind. So if you are not a relativist what age are your morals from?less

athesists/hetrosexuals also, thank you.

The scientific method is quite simple really as I have no doubt you are aware of, It, is just three things. Hypothosis from observation, experiment, theory. Thats all the tools you need, regardless of ones faith or lack of it anybody can do it, so I don't follow your last sentance, maybe you could expand further?

Many cultures down the ages have contributed to the rise of modern science, in fact in the dark ages in Christian Europe it was the Muslim world where science, maths etc.. continued to develop.

Good for Francis colloins and his work concerning cancer, and good for him that as a Christian he completely accepts the theory of evolution.

Don't see Nelli trying to write off the Bible, what I see is other views being put forward for the NT origin, there really is nothing new in what Nelli writes just standard thinking in many ways, and well put also. If anything the views you put forward bring the Bible into diserpute as you twist and turn in the wind to support them. I think it good though that thinking Christians rise above them...more

Don't see Nelli trying to write off the Bible, what I see is other views being put forward for the NT origin, there really is nothing new in what Nelli writes just standard thinking in many ways, and well put also. If anything the views you put forward bring the Bible into diserpute as you twist and turn in the wind to support them. I think it good though that thinking Christians rise above them .less

Fiscal responsibilty is important I agree, as is the fair treatment of the worker,( or is that not in the Bible), silly people who ignore both, whether progressives or conservatives, whatever those labels mean..

La la la, I can't hear you.

Thank you for the link, there is certainly a lot of info there, though I did have a quick scan. It does not seem to have the actual info I was requiring re my question. Once again, thank you.