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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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hmmmm... maybe franky needs to read the book of Acts again... wow
agentorangex... i know the difference between micro and macro, sorry if i worded incorrectly... i did read up on theropod dinosaurs and Archaeopteryx... saw 2 opposing viewpoints
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_07.html
... do you know if the Archaeopteryx was able to breed with others within it's species?
... shoot me that info on lobe finned fish and tetrapods, would be interesting reading... thanks for the kind replies
agentorangex, i read http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html and all i saw was micro evolution.... plants mutating into different kind of plants.. flies mutating into differing flies... but i didnt see any pigs with wings... elephants with giraffe necks... etc
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myTmuus
"I find it hard to ignore the Christian inspiration Hitler attributed and devolped into his actions and I am literally taking Hitler's own words- his own words indicate his attachment to Christianity"
... and your point is?? do you have the specific verses that hitler used to back up his actions to rid the world of jews and others?
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"Bible is literally FILLED with God's justification for possessing, subduing and supplanting hundreds of thousands of established nations by murdering, raping and leaving them desolate..."
... killing yes, but God never justified or commanded rape; please no lying on the message board
cevink u said "microevolution is proof of macroevolution to a certain degree" .... you're stretching it a little there but saved yourself at the end...
"there is very little difference between humans and our closest relatives (99% similarity with chimpanzees, 97% with mice [the exact numbers vary according to the source])....do you think that is coincidental? Or maybe that is because we all evolved from a common ancestor."
...maybe your closest relative, not mine bubba... not coincidence, it was by design
ifeelfine72, you said "biologists can prove that it did in labs, through experiments..." maybe microevolution to an extent, but not macroevolution have they?
agentorangex, you said "what makes you think ID is scientific or has the level of evidence for it that evolution has?" ... i notice you didnt say evolution has all the evidence [still no pig with wings fossils ay] ... not teaching bombing of pearl harbor would be irresponsible, just like not allowing the questioning and challenging of evolution gaps is irresponsible.
btw, i said "and human conscientiousness, where did it come from" ... i didnt ask where is it located, maybe your eyes are weak not the question
"Meanwhile every other industrialized western country, as a % of their countries population, accepts it more than we do." ... this is true, but if dealing with allowing ID into USA public schools, than the USA public majority should be allowed to voice how their tax dollars are utilized in allowing ID.
"I know, all those hominid fossils just dont make sense, nor does the genetic evidence either, but they easy to dismiss if you ignore them." ... i still haven't seen the pig with wings.
"Da Brain." ... well, that explains it .. doh
"Indeed the origins of life are no doubt more intriguing, however the origins isnt what evolution describes in the first place. " ... agreed and agreed, that is abiogenesis
although I dont agree with jerry1 and agentorangex, i dont think those who oppose them should flag them, i think thats rather bad sportsmanship.
pro-evolutionists are not going to convince us no matter how technical they explain it... Americans still poll a majority do not believe in evolution, all the USA Today and other famous national polls show a majority of Americans do not believe in evolution... i dont think its because were not smart enough to understand the intricacies of it all, but because the human body is just too complex to believe it evolved... and human conscientiousness, where did it come from...
i read this on James M Tour website, one of the scientists who initially signed the ID petition back in 2001, that what should be more intriguing is the origin of life... interesting points:
"Does anyone understand the chemical details behind macroevolution? If so, I would like to sit with that person and be taught, so I invite them to meet with me. Lunch will be my treat. Until then, I will maintain that no chemist understands, hence we are collectively bewildered. And I have not even addressed origin of first life issues. For me, that is even more scientifically mysterious than evolution. Darwin never addressed origin of life, and I can see why he did nothe was far too smart for that."
http://www.jmtour.com/?page_id=27
hey jerry1 , you said "Scientists, including religious scientists, consider this movie to be a dishonest attack against science."
... do you have any proof of this? web page url references?
you also said "The reason virtually all religious scientists completely accept evolution is because..."
...do you have proof of this also? you also said "Theist and atheist scientists accept the same scientific facts, including evolution."
uhh, i thought thats why this movie was made; so that would make your statement completely false [along with maybe your other statements...?]
obama theme is 'change' ... but obama's follow up news conference speech wasnt about 'change' but was the same politcal game; first apologizing, than turning the blame on everyone else but himself... democrats saw right thru his speech and america saw the results when the latest polls showed that majority democrat support switched from obama to hilary in latest zogby and other liberal siding polls..
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star2 - thanks for the info
... i had a feeling it was one guy who went to every topic and flagged everything; however, i dont think they shoul've banned him, i think this message board should change their flagging process. individuals shouldn't be able to flag and delete messages, the message board monitors should do have the final say. if they see one individual flagging everything than they should just ignore him.... its too bad because there were a lot of good posts that day, and i'm sure that person who got banned will just sign in with another new login name etc... oh well...
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"The best way to avoid that is to keep religion out of politics and government."
... yeah like china, north korea, cuba... what model nations those are, everyone's jumping the borders to get into those countries
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what?? no media outcry on this? no fatwah was announced? bin laden rants about mohammed cartoons but doesnt issue a denouncing statement for this film? oh my! oh my!!
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hey asdfg, did they really ban 5 atheists? who are we gonna debate with now..? whats up with that...
mr obama cannot unite the nation; as long as he's anti-life and anti-family values, he will never bring unity no matter what color he is....
JC Watts, where are you man? I would've voted for you!
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smbga, you have any scripture to back up that theology?
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thanks FullGospel, that was a very 'unifying' message, makes me want to break away and start my own message board denomination.
yeah sure, the Bible believing Christians should've just stayed with the Liberal-bent Organization for the sake of 'unity'.... what a bunch of rubbish.
if your church organization starts veering from Biblical truth, than its time to leave... it's hard to preach against sin when man doesnt see anything as sin anymore, we have become to be just a country club... a bunch of lettered-sweater preppies saying everythings ok as long as we dont hurt anyone.... broad is the way that leads to..., well, you know the rest, if you read the Bible.
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i'm californian... and i am totally embarrassed every time a california court ruling appears in the news... totally dispicable... the nedow decision, and this, along with their other ridiculous rulings... the california courts need to be re stocked with conservative judges who interpret the law correctly and don't make new laws thru their stupid rulings... total waste of my state taxes paying for these dimwits
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