'Prosperity' Televangelists Probed for Possible Financial Misconduct

theseer01 »

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Television preachers = extortionist... we are to decern all things to see if they are from God. I'm sorry but these folks need a healthy dose of humility. It is one thing to need finances to keep your outreach going, but that is really not what these people are doing. There are suckers born again everyday and they know it. Wolf in sheeps clothing and so on and so forth.

Bush to Veto Gay Employment Bill

theseer01 »

Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:18 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

The Employment Non-Discrimination Act, H.R. 3685 was and is attempt to give Gay's Special rights not equal rights like they tell the rest of us. People in this country who are labeled "minority" somehow feel entitled. Why? Come on some one out there knows why... As for Bush he hasn't been my favorite ( can any onesay IRAQ) but I'm glad he took this stand. It's EQUAL RIGHTS folks not SPECIAL RIGHTS.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Citizen: I'll get back with you soon gotta go... check back tomorrow....

The Seer

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Citizen : what message board would you suggest?

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Citizen: I appreciate your candid and passionate responses. I think we can tie up our discussion on this matter. To be sure I'll debate you on other issues in other articles. Take Care, Seer.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Citizen you’d make a great politician. You never address what has actually been said. You always take it down a different road every time. I’ve addressed every thing based on the original post and answered your questions based on that post.

Why would I have to read a book on atheism when I can hear it from the horse’s mouth, what is the point?

We were discussing historical figures and atheism. You are reading things that are not there implicitly or explicitly. I know many who claim Christianity that do not act moral, just as I know atheists who practice random acts of kindness. Again we were discussing historical individuals and their atheism.

I said that those in academia would not be so dishonest to paint the entire work of scripture with the broad stroke of myth in a classical sense. I never said you were uneducated or dumb. I’ve never said you are a liar. I’ve never smeared you. So far you’ve kept it civil and some what interesting but you are close to crossing the line of friendly debate. As for your claim, “Humanists always have new things to add…” please share humanist’s accomplishments for a brave new world?

You state that “I have not called anyone dumb. If that is what you heard, perhaps it was your own insecurity talking.” After years in the university setting I have heard it all. No you didn’t call me dumb, but I have been insulted for my beliefs and trust me insecurity is not where I’m coming from.

You state that, “You think its god or solipsism, whereas we recognize the value of being interdependent with others. You can’t recognize our worth, because our rejection of your religion blinds you to everything else that we are. Religion has had a privileged place in society supported by prejudice against atheists for too long. We’ll be working for a just and prosperous society while you are still fear mongering about communism. Perhaps someday you’ll realize that the Cold War is over, and we won.”

I’m not sure where communism and the Cold War come into our conversation, so I’ll leave that one alone. We all won…

I recognize your worth as a human. As humans we are all interdependent on each other. I don’t see the worth of your world view and you need to know how to separate the two. I can love you as my fellow human but I don’t have to respect your world view which the last paragraph in my earlier post makes perfectly clear… to be sure I know you don’t respect mine. It’s nothing personal. So let’s stay on track. You’re a smart guy and I enjoy our debates.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Lets get real : Great points! You said to Citizen "Otherwise you wouldn’t have left Him, except if you were like Judas but you seem to be seriously looking for truth unless your assignment here is to bring confusion." If you follow these guys around on this site you know that is all they do. Christians need to be as wise a serpents but gentle as doves... but not weak. So keep up the great work. We need more Christians who have a true relationship with the living God responding to these folks.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Citizen: Let’s clarify some things…
First, “faith” as presented in my argument is “the Faith” faith in Christ and faith as defined - a system of religious belief, or the group of people who adhere to it; also a belief in and devotion to God and a strongly held set of beliefs or principles. The Faith I speak of includes these virtues.

I have not read The God Delusion (as you have) but have heard many interviews and debates where both Mr. Dawkins and Sam Harris seem to believe this – religion is bad and should not be a part of “civilized” society. They also believe at its heart it is in fact evil, maybe not the root but definitely the cause of the world’s problems.

A man can call himself anything but their actions prove their atheism. The men I presented proved their atheism by their actions – to murder and destroy other humans you have to believe deep down that there is no God. If Hitler was a Catholic it was in name only not practice, remember he thought men could in fact become gods. You cannot, as convenient as it may seem, separate a man’s worldview from his actions. You did not address the others…

I didn’t realize you had such thin skin, “lying about you” about what? The most educated amongst us understand that the Bible is a mixed document. It contains Historical, Poetic, Prophetic, Wisdom literature. If you had actually read it, studied it you would know that and would not be so dishonest to paint the entire work with the broad stroke of myth in a classical sense (if you do not understand what I mean by classical mythology read Edith Hamilton).

I you were in fact a “Christian” you would know that Christianity by its doctrinal imperative does not encourage violence. Therefore atheists feel comfortable attacking Christians even though there are dozens of religious systems in this world. Your suggestion that I am jealous of Islam’s ferocity is just your typical way of not answering my original question. Which is why when there are so many religions in the world do atheist spend so much time trashing Christianity? So spend some time intelligently answering that question instead of implying that I’m some kind of fundamentalist.

I mock you because I believe at heart Atheists are cowards. They want control not free thought or free will as they claim. I think most atheists are pretenders. They like yourself, stereotype, degrade, and name call. They have nothing new to add to the debate of God verses no god. Atheist’s argument – “you are dumb to believe in god” That’s it. They are, like I said in my earlier post selfish beings, because self is all you have. You add nothing to society, just division. I know it sounds harsh, but the truth is no one forces people go to church, read the bible, or listen to Christian media. I’ve seen what a society based on atheism has yielded and can choose to ignore it or explain it away, but it is a fact and it is indisputable.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Sorry Citizen your comment did not show up when I wrote that last bit, but no matter you still did not address any of my statements. As an ex-christian you know what the virtues of faith are: love, joy, peace, etc. Dawkins and Harris both espouse that religion is the root of all social ills and should to be eliminated. I'm sorry that Hitler and Stalin were atheists - just a fact. And just who is lying about you? A bit testy aren't we? Who is lying about you? And what would you know about what Christians are suppose to be doing? No body is lying about you, it is just your ploy to seem justified in your responses. Because like I said before you're full of it.
And it is hilarious... you pulled out the Inquisition card! I'm surprised you didn't pull out the witch trial card or something else. Man, you sure are clever.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Letsgetreal and Obiwan: Keep up the great defense of Christ. You guys are sincere and seem to have a Christ-like Spirit. Don't worry about individuals calling the Bible a mythological text. If they say that it is obvious that theyve not read it. Blessings, theSeer.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:53 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Citizen: thanks for critiquing my writing style and confirming my point.
Your response is typical. You did not engage one point. All you're worried about is if I lost my copy of "The Elements of Style".
As far as engaging in lame, prejudiced lying, and stereotyping (which by the way is the same as being prejudicial) the atheist never engages in that type of dialogue... do they.
You have no response because you know every point presented is indisputable. Basically you're full of it.

Christians Urged to Meet Atheists in the Public Square

theseer01 »

Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

I'm glad D'Souza has written this book. He is right about the true nature of atheism and the heart of the atheist. Atheists are really a bunch of overtly hateful individuals. I have yet to meet one that is remotely pleasant. When you talk to an atheist about the atrocities committed by atheists they just blow it off and try to make some lame argument about why religion is worse. They contend that man made up God. Well that logic holds true for science, since I do not see any other advanced life forms on this planet.
The atheist loves to repeat the mantra that people who espouse faith are anti-science. That is categorically false! Some of the greatest scientific minds of the last three centuries were also people of faith. To them balance could be found in both science and spirituality. Science and the virtues of faith are two equally important sides of the human experience. Both have a good side and if radicalized a bad side.
The atheist has an answer for everything. There is nothing they do not know. There are many examples on the Christian Post comment boards (you know who you are). They’re well read (which I doubt) everything from String theory to Theoretical Physics. They try to convince everyone else that they have read every book about everything discussed in every article presented, when in reality they are just repeating the same old boring arguments from the past 1500 years or the talking heads in the media. Nothing original ever comes out of the mouth of the atheist.
The atheist loves to argue that religion is the root of all evil, but by the time the discussion really gets going you realize the only religion their talking about is Christianity. There is a reason for this. If they were to challenge other religions like Islam with the ferocity that they go after Christianity, their life would become a living h*&^. In the final analysis, the atheist beef is with Christianity not religion. They feel it is a moral imperative to convince the world that God does not exist. So atheist if God does not exist prove it… you know the response well theist if God does exist prove it. Well objectively God’s existence cannot proven, it can be disputed, but it cannot be dismissed outright.
The atheist is a selfish being. I have yet to hear of an Atheist relief organization, or an Atheist food bank. People of faith should be proud you are a true gift to humanity, looking after your fellow man. Yes we’ve made mistakes but we are learning from those mistakes. The atheist adds nothing to society just division, intolerance, and hate (true hate) not just social disagreement. Here is the fruit of an atheistic society. Atheist death toll in the 20th century: Hitler – 12 million, Stalin – 13 million, Mao – Ze Dong – 50 million, Pol Pot - 1.7 million, Kim Il Sung – 1.6million. Great job guys! Thanks for making society so much better (sarcasm intended).

Presidential Hopefuls Offer Views on Gay Princes Story for Children

theseer01 »

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:30 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Agreed DB, we are losing the battle because deep down mankind is still rebelling against his Creator. Like the Apostle Paul states, the lost are spiritually blind and from what I observe the church is filled with cowards. God calls us to pray without ceasing. But you cannot begin to imagine how much worse it is going to get in this country until we repent... Rome was not built in a day, but it was quickly destoryed.

Presidential Hopefuls Offer Views on Gay Princes Story for Children

theseer01 »

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:22 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

Oh I see... those who don't agree are Nazi's and hate mongers... Yes I am A Jew you just confirm my point. What Kirk and Madsen write is not some benign imperative. It is a combative call to challenge and demonize people who disagree with homosexuality. Teaching children about sex in their formative years is not acceptable. After watching a video produced by a Massachusetts school board about homosexuals your contention that it is just to make children more tolerant is WRONG. What ask what was different about gays verses children who had a mother and father the teacher stated nothing. When one boy was asked his thoughts (this is a second grade child) he said he'd be willing to try different things including homosexual acts. Which they were not explicit about... Now here you're introducing something a child has never had to ponder. This is not an attempt to teach tolerance this is an attempt of conversion. Planting seeds in a young mind that does not have the ability to think for itself. You can pull out all of the boring name calling of Nazi's and ignorance, swastikas and the like, but the only people talking about suppressing people's beliefs on this subject is people like your self. Next you'll be asking people to burn books that disagree with your positions on this issue and whatever other issue you decide the rest of us need to believe. Whose is the Nazi here? We just want the freedom to teach our children about human sexuality and not leave it up to the government. The German people during WW2 left their ideological freedom in the hands of government and look where that lead. So don't preach to us about tolerance until you understand was tolerance really looks like.

Ben Stein Confronts Dominance of Darwinian Thought in New Film

theseer01 »

Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:55 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

Citizen: I said "So far I have yet to see any study that categorically proves this fact." Now while there maybe scientists that are working to prove a genetic link there are none that have proven it to be so. In my earlier post I was making the point that teachers and professors are repeating unfounded and unproven theories on homosexuality and genetics without a true scientific consensus... your source material is old news and does not prove anything.

Ben Stein Confronts Dominance of Darwinian Thought in New Film

theseer01 »

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:51 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

Citizen I find it interesting that with all the studies going on about what makes us (do or be) that you would find it telling that I would lump gays with other groups that scientists claim to have a different brain functions than the general population.
In order to prove their theory that homosexuality is biological they have to study the brain and well as other factors. So far I have yet to see any study that categorically proves this fact. There are also studies being conducted on pedophiles and serial killers to see if there is in fact any biological factors that make them that way. So what can I say. Like I said if you want science to make the decisions they are going to have to be proved by scientific standards.... And so far all we have is 0.

Presidential Hopefuls Offer Views on Gay Princes Story for Children

theseer01 »

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Sorry Doomed, you began your response by asking me what I would know about a gay agenda, and that there was no agenda. I was just pointing out what powerful individuals within the gay community have said about what they wish to do in this country's children when it comes to gay conversion tactics. Just thought I was answering your question.
To answer your question do I remember the Salem Witch trials? No I don't because I was not there. I do know what my liberal professors at the university told me and every other liberal that wanted to make a point about some social issue. The witch trails as history reports are definately a cautionary tale about what can happen when a community will not listen to reason or logic, but again this has nothing to do with this article

Presidential Hopefuls Offer Views on Gay Princes Story for Children

theseer01 »

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Well Doom you must not be well read. The agenda has been propagated by homosexual activists within the fourth estate (mass media) government run schools (public schools), and various other forms of media. By their own admission Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen authors of AFTER THE BALL (1989) state that they want to "conquer" (their words not mine) American's resistance to Gays. This in order to normalize what is not normal by demonizing those they cannot desensitize. They go on to explain how this will be done... "Propagandist advertisement can depict homophobic and homo-hating bigots as crude loudmouths and a-holes... It can show them being criticized, hated, shunned. It can depict gays experiencing horrific suffering as the direct result of the homo-hatred - suffering of which even most bigots would be ashamed to be the cause. It can, in short link homo-hating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess.”(end quote)
Should I go on? I think so. Since the late 1980's to the present homosexual activists have targeted our children because they realize the nature of their innocence and their vulnerability. They don’t want to be left out, sign me up. And these people are glad to do it. It is a perverted form of evangelism. In your response to me you did everything Kirk and Madsen stated you: stereotyped (chip on my shoulder e.g. homo-hater), called me a backwoods home schooling moron (unless you live in the middle of no where, your children are home schooled, and no technology is allowed in the house) and implied that people who don’t agree with you advocate mass murder or genocide. I live in a major metropolitan area, kids attend public schools, and obviously own a computer I even have the internet too! And I even have a few homosexual friends, isn’t that just amazing how a bigoted, backwoods, homophobe could accomplish all that?
Understand this in the final analysis it is everyone who refuses to respect others views on this subject (e.g. not exposing our children to the scared topic of human sexuality) that are the bigots and fascists.
And man, Dumberton I hope you're being facetious...

Presidential Hopefuls Offer Views on Gay Princes Story for Children

theseer01 »

Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

Let me clarify, Citizen is another blogger on this site, who judging from his entires is an ardent atheist. I was being sarcastic about science having the final say. The agenda of homosexuals is sinister. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE should be allowed to expose our children to this so-called lifestyle in the guise of civil rights. NO ONE should be talking to our children about anything like this ever! If parents wish to discuss the merits of homosexuality to their OWN children fine. I'm not into group think and science does not have the final say

Offensive 'Last Supper' Fetish Ad Incites Uproar

theseer01 »

Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"The Christian Saints of today will be at Folsom St., they reject cultural prejudice and serve those in need with unconditional compassion. Those ranting at those they've never met are simply the hypocrits of this era. Sorry we don't have time for you, there is work to be done." The only cultural prejudice is the ad itself GIL. You seem to have a obtained the age old skill of cherry picking scripture without understanding the whole counsel of God. And how can you claim to be a Saint then tell us you don't have time for us? You're correct we don't know the people at the Folsom St. festival, but those who provided comments were merely commenting on the ad itself. So we are very happy to know that you will be there to preach the truth in love to the lost souls of San Fran. Keep up the great work!