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  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:03 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 6

    Homosexual Man-

    Exactly.

  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:54 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    CanadianChristian said:

    " Y ou can try to spin this any way you want but it is a SIN and highly offensive to GOD- I'm sorry if the truth offends you but you are deceived and you seem to continue to want your itchy ears scratched- your united (in error and apostasy church) will do just that for you no problem,"

    Canadianchristian: I am a Christian. I am gay. I participate in this forum because I am a Christian, and it is a forum for Christians. I am good with God - we have a great relationship and my spirituality is between me and God, NOT me and you and God. I believe, as a Christian, that the your interpretation of the Bible is wrong on these matters. And we are not the first two Christians in history to differ on our interpretations of the Bible. The Christian community has had to embrace Christians with differences for centuries. And the Christian community needs to embrace our differences now.

    The Christian church is going to have to learn to accommodate both of our beliefs because I am every bit as Christian as you are and I am not going away. AND it's not fair to put down the ECLA because they have made such a good attempt at that. Amen.

  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:54 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 3

    "...All beleivers are not to sit idly by while unbiblical, unscriptural, blatant errors are being spread around which have no basis in the truth, it is our duty, and our honor to rebuke in love and we are commanded to do so..."

    For example, in 1958 an English bible translator decided that "arsenokoitai" meant homosexual when in fact there was no word for homosexual in ancient Greek or Hebrew?

    I rebuke you in love :)

  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:43 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Believer-

    But why are you so quick to lovingly confront your Christian Brothers and sisters about their sins? Isn't that God's job?

  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:29 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    Jehovahnissi said:

    "But the point is, Bible doctrine is not just to fill your head or help you defend some theological system. It is always intended to make you a more godly person."

    I think that is actually better advice for Mr. Mohler.

  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:49 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    Canadianchristian says:

    "I don't know what GOD you are worshipping- if you've bought into the GOD is only love line, then you've been deceived ! "

    Matthew 22:36-39 (New International Version)

    36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b]

    I don't believe I've been decieved. And I don't believe a human can overestimate God's love. Sorry.

  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:19 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    But more than that, God is not simple. To know God means to study, to pray, to discern, to experience life, to listen. To know God means to see Jesus in the homeless person on the street, or in the hungry child in the school in the poor part of town. The strict Dogma put out by the Catholic Church or the Southern Baptist Convention doesn’t to lead to questioning, examination, and growth. It leads to fear and obeying. The God I know is not judging and wrathful. The God I know is caring and loving. And is filled with joy at all his creation, gay and non-gay. Mohammed Atta heard his judging and wrathful God through the strictest scriptural interpretation of his faith and flew a plane into the World Trade Center killing thousands of people. That is not the God I know. The God I know created the amazing love I have for my same-sex partner. The God I know created our beautiful children. The God I know has a place for me in His Kingdom, even though Dr. Mohler has no place for me in his church.

  • The Idolatrous Religion of Conscience

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:01 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 3

    Why is it so, so difficult for conservative christians to tolerate a diversity of views within the Christian faith? None of us were here 2000 years ago, and whether Dr. Mohler and the Southern Baptist Convention like it or not, EVERY understanding of the Bible is an interpretation. None of the six or so verses in the Bible that mention homosexuality speak to loving, committed gay and lesbian couples as we know them today - as our neighbors, as our coworkers, as our congregants. Yet conservative Christians cling to those verses today as conservative Christians of the past clung to scriptures interpreted to justify slavery and inter-racial marriages. What the ECLA has done is told the truth and pointed out the obvious: the bible is used to reinforce old predjudices and hatreds. God gave all Christians the gift of discernment. The ECLA was, like many congregations, tired of conservative Christians failing to use it.

  • The Battle is Over? - Bishop Spong Exits the Debate

    troyg »
    Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:35 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    Cheisa » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:07 pm "I present Bishop Spong as the perfect example of why a church needs a central authority and a hierarchy. In the Catholic Church, this Bishop would have been recalled to Rome and stripped of his diocese, if not excommunicated for his repeated affronts to God's Word and Church doctrine."

    Well...I present Bishop Spong as the perfect example of why central authority and hierarchies destroy God's message to each of our individual lives. My church, the United Church of Christ, as well as the Episcopal church respect the fact that each soul, each Christian, is here on their own search for God's meaning and calling for their lives. Some "anointed" human pope or supreme bishop or 700 Club kingpin do nothing but establish dogma that is relevant or irrelevant to what is really going on in people's lives. God wants us all the question and discern for ourselves - not just take whatever the (insert religious authority here) wants them to believe. Jesus made this clear in addressing the Pharisees’ of his time; we must make this clear to the Pharisees’ of our time.

    The United Church of Christ and the American Episcopal church are very very healthy churches. Sorry to disappoint you.

  • The Battle is Over? - Bishop Spong Exits the Debate

    troyg »
    Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:06 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 3

    This is brilliant:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/if_god_had_wanted_me_to_be

  • The Battle is Over? - Bishop Spong Exits the Debate

    troyg »
    Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:12 pm Agree: 22   Disagree: 14

    Bishop Spong simply speaks the truth. Granted, Mohler, it is hard for you to accept. That doesn't make it any less the truth. You are losing on this and you will continue to loose. Because you prefer doctrine over the humanity of gay and lesbian people.

  • Calif. Conservatives Urge Gov. to Veto 'Harvey Milk Day' Bill

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:48 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    This is brilliant:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/if_god_had_wanted_me_to_be

  • Support for Same-Sex Civil Unions, Not Marriage, Up

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:48 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show This is brilliant: http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/if_god_had_wanted_me_to_be hide

  • Calif. Conservatives 'Disappointed' with New Harvey Milk Day

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:47 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 3

    This is brilliant:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/if_god_had_wanted_me_to_be

  • Simply Unprecedented: President Obama and the Gay Rights Movement

    troyg »
    Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:47 pm Agree: 15   Disagree: 8

    This is brilliant:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/if_god_had_wanted_me_to_be

  • Simply Unprecedented: President Obama and the Gay Rights Movement

    troyg »
    Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:24 pm Agree: 11   Disagree: 0

    For once I agree with you Mohler. Yes, justice and equality are breathtaking.

  • Obama Administration Moves to Redefine Marriage

    troyg »
    Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:22 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 10

    Flagged as inappropriate. show 95% of Iowans think same-sex marriage has had no effect on their lives. Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country. It seems gay mariage doesn't hurt marriage at all. hide

  • Fla. Churches Boycott Pepsi Products Over 'Anti-Family' Efforts

    troyg »
    Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:50 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    Headline should read:

    "Fla. Churches Boycott Pepsi Products because Pepsi doesn't hate gay people enough"

  • Some Lutherans Return to ELCA After Gay Vote

    troyg »
    Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:29 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 22

    Many gay and straight will no doubt return to churches when the Christian hatred and bigotry against gay people is eradicated.

  • Fla. Churches Boycott Pepsi Products Over 'Anti-Family' Efforts

    troyg »
    Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:51 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 9

    Another sad example of Christians choosing hatred over understanding.

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