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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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aswqdefr,
Unfortunately to you, there is another chinese here and is willing to tell the truth. I am from "rural" area. And two of my family members attend house church frequently and they are not bankrupted even after 15 years' participation. The truth is, most house chuch goers are true christian, while it's hard to say for those who go "beautiful churches are standing at notable spots " in Shanhai or other big cities since they are so called "three-self" churches whose pastors are assigned or approved by communist party. While many are also safe for those who go to house churches. But it's always hard for those who lead the house churches, specially for those influential leaders since the communist party has such a tradition that they like to spot the most infulential ones and trap down them for the excusion of so-called "social stability and harmony".
With communist party in power, there will be never freedom of religion. Period.
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Agent,
since you intended to misspell my user id, I reply you once again, and this will be really the last time.
First, you are right, it's called "orgin of species".
Second you say "Oh really? Do you not realize how the flu and many other vaccines are prepared ever year by the CDC is directly done in relation and knowledge gained from evolutionary theory of how viruses mutate and how best to stop them."
I have to say you play the evolution concept again. What you were saying is "mico-evolution" which we all agree, what we don't agree is "Macro-evolution"-species "evolve" to another.
lastly, I wish you enjoy your evolution delusion while I enjoy the love in God.
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THis will be the last time I reply danny and agent:
danny:"(evolution is) cornerstone of biology", agent:"biology is evolution",
who told you guys about these two statements? How about before Darwen's "origin of life", there was no biology at all? which one is earlier? Biology did just well before "evolution", and human beings haven't got any benefit out of the idea of "evolution".
Again, maths, physics, chemistry, biology, computer science, etc. are science, "evolution" is NOT Science. Period.
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danny,
I want to say one more time and also the last time, as stated in this homepage "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)", we Christians love truth and hence science such as maths, physics, chemistry, biology, computer science, etc. We just disagree evolution because it IS NOT SCIENCE. It's merely a conjecture.
Stop the lying that Christians are against science. Do some reserach to see how many modern universities and hospitals had been founded by Christians.
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Re:agent "After all, why do you think the USA passed H1 B visas for hit tech foreign workers to come work here if not to make up for the academic differences. We do a poor job of educating our kids in sciences, math and this is the main reason why we have such visas as the companies that depend upon high tech, highly intelligent workers is in high demand and the USA isnt meeting the demand. "
Sorry, I have to say that was really a poor analysis or poor answer to your own question. Now follow up your question, I ask you these. 1. Why at the first hand there are so many opportuniteis in high-tech areas available in USA? who created these opportunities? 2. Why so many people around word like to come to USA?
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Agent,
Does ranking poorly in math, physics, chemistry, computer science ,etc., have anything to do with evolution teaching? You are really funny.
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Re: chicago24 "That's odd. I listened to God and he told me to support Obama.
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Then go ahead to do it. No one forces you not to do.
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One major reason why evolution became popular among atheists is that their PRIDE began to have a "Theoretical base"--"We can do anything! We even came to this world by ourselves!" No, human beings only can do a little compared to infinite unknown, and God had programmed those abilities into us.
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follow up holito8:
People saying christians are against science are either liars or ignorant or both. How many modern universities and hospitals are founded by Christians? As quoted by this webte homepage, "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)". Christians always seek truth, we love sicence such as maths, physics, chemistry, biology... the reason we don't like evolution is that evolution is NOT SCIENCE, NOR TRUTH. It's funny when we disagree with evolution, atheists will always say we are against science. Again, No, evolution is not science.
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RE: agent: "Actually weve seen, documented and categorized many levels of evolution within species and from species level and beyond.", really? have you seen an Ape evolved into human being recently?
"And in labs we can induce chickens to have teeth (something no modern birds have, but the original birds had) and this is form of MAKING evolution happen right in front of us.",
well, suppose it's true, that was after people knew the genetic structure of Chiken and "Induce" accordingly. That favors intelligent design more than evolution. BTW, why birds with teeth (if that is true) all exctinted? Aparently, birds with teeth should survive better than those without teeth. These again contradicts evolution idea.
"Heres a short list of fossils," That depends on how you interpret, and interpretation depends on your believe.
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Agent,
To me, your believe in evolution is aslo "personal experience". You may argue that you see many evidences. We also have many evidences, we see people change after believe Jesus. Do you know how many christians devoted their lives or risk their lives to preach through the world? What drives them to do this? You may say again they all have mental problem. Then we cannot discuss further. Or I can say same thing to you, because no one saw or see evolution happen(there are "evidences" because you assume they are), no one can MAKE it happen, but you still believe it happened, and even claim it as fact, if no mental problem, who will behave like that?
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Citizen,
As I said, Jesus and Muhammed are not comparable. Jesus is God, another was so-called Prophet but actually a devil. So your agument about "equally unjustified" is pointless.
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Citizen,
From your discussion about Muhammed, I can guess you were not a true CHristian, even though you were baptized. Jesus and Muhammed are not comparable. One is God, another was so-called Prophet but actually a devil. Yes, he did change, from powerless to powerful, and killed many who didn't want to convert to Muslim.
It's understandable many people in muslim countries just blindly follow the authourities. Because they cannot read, and no access to internet. But it's very sad people like you living in a free country still blindly believe what you heard but don't do research. Just do some search on internet, you can find sth. about Muhammed. His life stories were recorded in a book by his followers. I just want to mention one story, he married his friend's daugher when she was 6 years old, and slept with her when he was 9. His friend argued against that when he asked him for his daughter, but he insisted, well, he had power, his friend could do nothing but obeying. What kind of person do you think Muhammed was?
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Agent,
I am not confused at all. I am using definition in biology and idea of evolution to show evolution contradicts itself logically.
torus,
if your "breed" simply means mate, there is no problem. But if you meant "reproduce", I would like to see an example that A and B can reproduce, B and C can reproduce, but not A and C. Do you have one?
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Agent,
Please just answer my question. Suppose a group of individuals (name them A1) in species A at generation 0 evolved to species B at generation n. Suppose no other species come from A. The question is, WHICH SPECIES do A1's DESCEDANTS at 1~n-1 belong to?
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Agent,
Maybe I did make my question clear. Let me state it this way: Suppose a group of individuals (name them A1) in species A at generation 0 evolved to species B at generation n. Suppose no other species come from A. The question is, which spceies do A1's descedants at 1~n-1 belong to?
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Agent,
You stated a lot but didn't answer my questions. Now let's just focus on the first question. Suppose as you said only group A1 in A at generation 0 evolved to B at generation n. The question still holds, which spceies do A1 at 1~n-1 belong to?
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Agent,
The widely accepted definition of species (of those sexually reproduce)is as following. The individuals within a species can reproduce while they cannot reproduce with those in another species. And if a and b can reproduce, we say they are in same species.
According to evolution, species gradually evolve. That means, if B are evolved from A, that is after many generations.
Now, my first question is, suppose B comes from A and no other species in between, that is, species A at generation 0, gradually evolve, then at generation n, species B comes. The question is, which species do generation 1~n-1 belong to? They should belong to either A or B. The problem is, if they belong to A, that means, individuals at generation n-1 give birth to a new species B; if they belong to B, that means, generation 0 give birth to a new species B. Both cases are ridiculous contradict to evolution theory.
My second question is, why all the so-called "links" extincted while species at both ends survive? They should adapt the enviorment better than the one they are supposed to evolve from according to evolution, right? The only answer is they are just different species if such fossils exist.
merkin,
Sorry a word missing from previous post, should be "Do you really believe a functioning cell could come out from a MAGIC pool without anyone's effort? Not to mention that a single-cell eventually EVOLVE into human being like you after a LONG time.
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merkin,
"truthstands: No, I did read the article fully. But synthesizing the genome is the hard part. It's only a matter of weeks (or, at most, months) before this lab will have a fully functioning cell. "
Then you admitted it IS a dead DNA chain. How do you know it's "the hard part", because it looks like most complicated? "weeks (or, at most, months) ", dare you bet your life on it? Again, suppose after a LONG time, you HAVE a fully funcitoning cell, it's still CREATION, not EVOLUTION. Read that article again to see how much material they prepared, how much effort they made to get this bunch of dead DNA. Do you really a functioning cell can come out from a MAGIC pool without anyone's effort? Not to mention that a single-cell eventually EVOLVE into human being like you after a LONG time.
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