Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

See here: http://www.islam.us/quran_arben.php

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Steiner, where did you find anything that says Mohammed is better the “Jesus”? I didn’t see anything in Quran.

Instead of reading articles/books about Quran, why don’t you read the Quran (well, its interpretation in English) itself? I assume that you don’t believe it to be divine; you think it is written by Mohammed. Let it be so. You have read many books written by human before. Didn’t you? Give it a try. Then you can disbelieve it, but at least knowingly disbelieve it. You won’t be fooled by other.

Muslim respect Jesus (peach be upon him) just as much they would respect any other messengers of God (including Mohammed puh).

If I can respect to the key religious figure of your religion, why can’t you show the same to the key religious figure of my religion? Why it would be so hard? You don’t have to agree on anything from that religion. If for nothing else, you can show respect because he is the founder of one of the significant religion of today’s world.

You would not find even a single Muslim who would disrespect Jesus (peach be upon him) or Mary (peach be upon her). Not a single one. Don’t you find it rather odd, from a religion that (in your opinion) founded by a bad person? Just think about it.

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Dear steiner,

Your question: have you committed wrong ever? and how do you know that allah has forgiven you, or not forgiven you?

My answer: Yes, I have committed many wrong. I ask God's forgiveness. It does not necessarily means he have forgiven all of my seen. In the judgement day, He will bring me back to life and I will face judgement. Based on my good or bad works I will be handed a prize (paradise) or punishment (my jail time in hell). God may forgive all my sin, or some of my sin or none of my sin. He is the all mighty. He will do as he please. But Quran tell us that (also see old testiment), God is the most Merciful and the most forgiving. So if we follow His command, he may forgive some of our sin.

Quran teaches us that, everyone is up for judgement in the judgement day. No one will get a free pass. Also, everyone will be judged based on his action and only his action. No one will be punished because of other one's action. No one will be forgiven because of other one's action. Everyone is of their own in the day of judgement. No one else to blame.

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

steiner,

your question: Tell me, could Allah have contradicted the Koran before it was written ?

I don't understand your question. Where do you see any contradiction?

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

1. what was Jesus teached mankind?
2. There was nothing called christianity in lifetime of Jesus, he was a jews preaching the same thing as Moses did.
3. How do you know that Jesus claimed that he was the God?
4. How do you know that going to church will please God? Jesus never went to a Church. There was no Church in the lifetime of Jesus.
5. How do you know chelibrating christmas or easter will please God? Did Jesus told that?
6. You just assumed that this will please God? Just like Peganism.
7. Please follow true words of Jesus.

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Here is another interesting movie: THE GOD who was not there http://www.thegodmovie.com/
I haven't seen it yet. But the argument sounds familiar.

This will make both Christianity and Islam in jeopardy. (Finally we have something in common and a common interest to defend.)

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

"SON of God means that Jesus is made of the same material as God"??

So basically you are saying that there is someone else who is God, Jesus is made of the same material as Him. So Jesus is (also a) God?

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

If you still believe that Jesus is both "the God and God's son", call him God. STOP calling him God's son. Just STOP it, it make no sense CALLING him the son (even if he is) when he is the God. He is the God, calling him God.

He is also a human, he is also a messenger, he is also a man, he is also someone's friend. Would you call him a man? Messenger? Human? Friend?

What is his most impotent identity? That he is son? Or that he is the God? "God", right?

Then call him God, STOP calling him anything less then that.

I heard people saying, God is so and so that He send his own "son" to earth. That is totally stupid man. He is the God himself, call him that. (even if technically, as you believe, he is also the son).

If someone is a president and a citizen at the same time, we call him president right?

Will it make you uncomfortable to call Jesus the God? (instead of Jesus, son of God?) If it is, then you are half way there. Keep searching, I am sure that God will show you the light and the true path. God is the most powerful. God is the creator of everything. God is one and only. God have no son, God have to idol.

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

So you believe that "Father and son" is God. Two-in-one.

Your one God is not really one, what you meant is "unity". Of course gods may have unity. They may be a united god front. I am not arguing that. That is your belief. (note that all the greek gods have unity, so are all the Hindu gods)

What I am arguing is that this would be a direct violation of 1st commandment, which say "ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

Look, it does not said "Me and my son". You can believe anything you like and of course every religion is different. But don't claim that you are following 10 commandments.

If you say "God's son" and you you have a cross : you are violating first and second commandment.

what ever "logic" you are giving, Hinduism are giving me same logic.

1. Even if Hinduism have so many gods, my Hindu friend claimed that they are just diffrent forms of same god. hah?

2. Even if they create idols of all the gods, he said, they are actually worshiping god through the idols. (not the idol itself)

From whrere I am standing, no difference what you are saying and what my hindu friend said. He is a pretty good christian to me, and you are a pretty good Hindu. Don't you find it odd? After all the teaching of Abraham, John, Aaron, Moses? All of a sudden, Jesus would come and take us back to Peganism? No way.

Instead, it it is logical to believe that Jesus and Mohammed also teaches us the same ture Monotheism : God is one and only, no son for god, no symbol for god.

May God show you the true path.

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Why don't you understand, God and God's son are two diffrent entity!

If Jesus is the God, STOP calling him God's son. One can not be his own son. period!

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Is Jesus God himself or God's son?

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"God and His Son, Jesus"?? Seems like TWO gods to me.

What's wrong with accepting Hindu god Shiva or godess Kali, Durga and all the others? Don't you like them?

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

From where I am looking at, Abraham, Moses & Mohamed said about worshiping God, not idol or anything else. They all have said same things. In fact, Judaism & Islam have exactly same theological understanding of God. They have many other things common in practicing religion.

But Christianity, especially trinity, does not fit in. Cross is a symbol, is an idol for god! They worship Jesus instead of God.

On the other hand, Jesus is the most praised prophet/messenger of God according to Quran (Islam's holly book). Quran talked about Jesus in 100 verses. Quran made believing Jesus and gospel (book that God reveal to jesus) a precondition of being a Muslim. (i.e. you are not a Muslim if you disbelieve Jesus or Gospel).

Only explanation is that, Jesus NEVER claimed himself to be a God or divine. Instead he teaches the same message form God what Abraham, Noah, Solomon, John the Baptist, ..... Moses, and Mohammed had teaches. Worship God, not anyone/anything else. Somehow down the road, the people lost the teaching of Jesus, and start to worship him instead.

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

Why bother arguing over Mohammed (peach be upon him), Jesus (peach be upon him), Moses (peach be upon him)? They ALL were mere human, who were messenger of God. It seems like some of you are confused about God Himself.

“Do not have any other gods before me”
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”

This means, there is only one God, the most powerful, the almighty.

No symbol for God, yeah, no cross.

Worship God, only God (not his messengers).

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Opps, wrong link: Try this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tj0bitIiZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7t37lmEIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rdk9G4mKBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nedoaPOLw-M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYQT87Hz_yk

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Dear debs6196,
You seem like a reasonable dude. So, let me help you. Since you mentioned "study", and said something about "Christianity with Judaism", why not you study this? You would be amused! Trust me.

History of Judaism & Talmud PART 1 TO 6


http://youtube.com/watch?v=TWSIL2rewcM&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m6CfuQ9Ta_o&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bHifIcJuS5s&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qj0x0xIpy70&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GntJ5c1hb-M&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sOrIflG8jb0&feature=related

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

debs6196, you are not getting it man!
You said: No, it is the Christian belief that by laying down his life, he conquered death once and for all.

Do you really believe in one supreme God, I mean the God? Why is your god having to "conquered death once and for all"? Don't you see the problem in your believe? I mean, just think about it. The God is the creator. The creator of everything! Including the death. He don't need to conquer ANYTHING. God don't need to fight with anyone! He is the Almighty! You do not understand the power of God. The God that Abraham, Solomon, Moses preached about, IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL then what you are saying.

God don't have to come all the way down to earth and spent a lifetime as human to accomplish anything.

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

1. From this movie, I thought we were debating that Christian version said Jesus died. Quran said Jesus didn't die.

Question: Now, which version do you believe? If you believe Christian version, then Jesus died. Therefore he is NOT God.

2. Trinity makes no sense. A) If Jesus is "son of God" b) If Jesus is God c) there is only one god.
Question: So God give birth Himself? How could father and son be only one? If Jesus is the God, then he can't be "son of God". Can he?
Bonus question: Please explain to me the words of Jesus on the cross, "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Who was Jesus talking to, himself? Who is "my"? And, who is "God"?

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

See what Quran sys about Mary (mother of Jesus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5gqi0Q3UUE
please note that:
1. Zakariya (in arabic) == the New Testament priest Zechariah or Zacharias, is one of the prophets mentioned in the Qur'an.
2. Harun (in arabic) == In the Bible he is known as Aaron

Muslim's Cross-Less Jesus Film Draws Mixed Reactions

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

Dear TUPRBABE,

Dude, No offence, but you need to learn a lot of things.
Here is Islam101 for you:
Issa (peach be upon him) is the Arabic name for Jesus. Did you know? As Ibrahim (peach be upon him) is for Abraham. Maryam (peach be upon her) is for Mary. Muslims are waiting for Imam Mehdi followed by Jesus i.e. Issa (peach be upon him) who will unite all TRUE believers. He will be in Muslims' side. Will you be in his side?

What you said earlier is just dead wrong. I don't want to comment on current political matters that you describe. But about the religion, please don't lie or say anything you do not know.

Question: If Jesus is the God, how can God die? In paganism, gods die and resurrect. But in true religion, religion of Abraham, religion of Moses, how could God die? If God die, who would run the show? And how could there be more than one god? Didn't you read the 10 commandments? Prophet Mohamed (peach be upon him), like all other prophet teaches Muslims to believe that:
There is only one God. No one other than the God is worthy enough to be worshiped.

Mohamed (peach be upon him) is not worthy enough!
Jesus/Issa (peach be upon him) is not worthy enough!
Maryam/Mary (peach be upon him) is not worthy enough!

Only the God is worthy enough to be worshiped.