hey veteran, you can't prove hell doesn't exist. conversely however, there were hundreds of people who actually lived on earth and actually saw Jesus alive and walking on earth AFTER he was confirmed dead.. and buried. some wrote about it. His existence and miracles and prophesies have been PROVEN time and time again. atheists have proven to be hateful toward believers. its because they dont wa...more

hey veteran, you can't prove hell doesn't exist. conversely however, there were hundreds of people who actually lived on earth and actually saw Jesus alive and walking on earth AFTER he was confirmed dead.. and buried. some wrote about it. His existence and miracles and prophesies have been PROVEN time and time again.

atheists have proven to be hateful toward believers. its because they dont want to be accountable for their sin and submit to a Holy God. you think youre good enough as you are, but youre not. and you KNOW it deep inside. i remember, i was an atheist until i got honest and open.less

hahaha, ya i see it... i kow what he means and i know what he should have said. he speaks the truth though. Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved . if you dont acknowledge now your need for that salvation, you will later. and it will be too late. you should ask Jesus if im telling you the truth. i dare you :)

yes, your comments here sound very nice and fair and logical. you fail to make a point though, as true Islam seeks to take over the world and make it submit to Islam as the only true religion and Allah as the only true god. now you will either lie and deny it, or be truthful and admit it. oh yeah, i forgot the koran permits lying if it is the best interest of furthering the cause of Islam. s...more

yes, your comments here sound very nice and fair and logical. you fail to make a point though, as true Islam seeks to take over the world and make it submit to Islam as the only true religion and Allah as the only true god.

now you will either lie and deny it, or be truthful and admit it. oh yeah, i forgot the koran permits lying if it is the best interest of furthering the cause of Islam.

so nevermind, dont bother commenting.less

no ,you're being a hypocrite now, veteran. atheists REGULARLY describe religion, and namely Christianity as though they understand it. quiet the contrary though, is the case. atheism defined is: without a deity, or a rejection of the existence a deity or deist system. and what human nature does is steer us toward worshiping something or someone. we ALWAYS worship, or serve, or adhere to, or rev...more

no ,you're being a hypocrite now, veteran. atheists REGULARLY describe religion, and namely Christianity as though they understand it. quiet the contrary though, is the case. atheism defined is: without a deity, or a rejection of the existence a deity or deist system.

and what human nature does is steer us toward worshiping something or someone. we ALWAYS worship, or serve, or adhere to, or revere heavily, something o someone, whether it be God or a god, or a belief system. and yes, atheists indeed worship, to whatever technical degree you care to acknowledge, humans as the final authority and provider and power.

that, sir, is worship.less

as for your position on what sin does regarding judgement, again you are focusing on how it "strikes you" instead of on what the Bible actually teaches. sin has already been judged and its punishment and penalty will not be administered to and fall upon those who have been born again and are under the blood of Jesus. this is the redemptive and saving work of our God, due to the fact that we neede...more

as for your position on what sin does regarding judgement, again you are focusing on how it "strikes you" instead of on what the Bible actually teaches. sin has already been judged and its punishment and penalty will not be administered to and fall upon those who have been born again and are under the blood of Jesus. this is the redemptive and saving work of our God, due to the fact that we needed to be saved. any sin we commit doesnt suddenly put us under judgment again. this, my friend, is why its Good News :)less

your comment here brown, is a perfect example of the lack of true understanding of leadership and ministry in the Church of Jesus Christ. yes, a "choir member" is a minister and a leader, given the fact that the music ministry portion of the worship services is intended to usher in and invite the presence of a Holy God, who does reside in us and in praises sung and spoken to and about Him. so, ...more

your comment here brown, is a perfect example of the lack of true understanding of leadership and ministry in the Church of Jesus Christ. yes, a "choir member" is a minister and a leader, given the fact that the music ministry portion of the worship services is intended to usher in and invite the presence of a Holy God, who does reside in us and in praises sung and spoken to and about Him.

so, it is indisputable that the choir should live and be in agreement with the Biblical model for sexual relationships. bottom line is you can't water it down to "just a choir member".less

unfortunately, inasmuch as Pastor Joel does teach the truth of the Word of God and he does encourage peple to believe God wants the best for us.. he doesnt come close to including crucial teachings in the Bible to go along with his stories and jokes and surface level theology. he is pastoring a flock... a HUGE flock of people and he is required to teach and lead them in ALL truth, not just portion...more

unfortunately, inasmuch as Pastor Joel does teach the truth of the Word of God and he does encourage peple to believe God wants the best for us.. he doesnt come close to including crucial teachings in the Bible to go along with his stories and jokes and surface level theology. he is pastoring a flock... a HUGE flock of people and he is required to teach and lead them in ALL truth, not just portions. he is not preparing and training and discipling believers in the Way of the cross. he is telling the convenient truth and adhering to a popular and easy to digest message... he is NOT doing the body of Christ nor the lost and searching souls, any justice with this approach. its a tragedy, but there are worse out there, no doubt.lessless

i do think before i post, you arrogant pseudo intellectual milquetoast. being black isn't sin and obscene, but homosexual activities are. beinv Musilm isn't illegal, but they themselves regularly discriminate against Christians. its not talked about in reported in our heinously biased media, but its happening. maybe you should have a point before you try to make one.

yet Christians are continually and increasingly censored by all who dont wish to hear them. you cant have it both ways, mr anti-christian Rhi.

@ Rhi... good point... heterosexual male/female couples should not be asked not to engage in anal sex... because its debatable whether or not it is sin. @ Rule of Law... no you're wrong i dont hate homosexuals, lesbians, or at the very least anal sex... but if and when i have it or have had it, its with WOMEN... the idea of forcing a private individual to allow certain people to stay at their g...more

@ Rhi... good point... heterosexual male/female couples should not be asked not to engage in anal sex... because its debatable whether or not it is sin.

@ Rule of Law... no you're wrong i dont hate homosexuals, lesbians, or at the very least anal sex... but if and when i have it or have had it, its with WOMEN... the idea of forcing a private individual to allow certain people to stay at their guest house for any reason is absurd and an atrocity.

that sir is the legal and political equivalent of a forced version of the said anal sex.less

moral right to an immoral relationship?? i dont know if thats more funny thanh absurd. so i give it a tie..

some people just appear to be ex-christians... or just deeper thinking, cooler, post-modern christians, but more actual in their brand of pseudo religious faith, lol... when in reality they were never saved at all. they were none of His. see 1John.

yes, they will assert... and then conveniently abort on the basis of something else.

hey Rule of Law... but those laws are the issue here... inconsistently and vindictively enforced... you and i and everyone else all know whats going on here. dont play dumb. no law should force someone to serve someone they dont want to... "the ownership reserves the right to refuse service to anyone"... ever seen that sign?? it exists because people who own the business are the uhh, OWNERS... not...more

hey Rule of Law... but those laws are the issue here... inconsistently and vindictively enforced... you and i and everyone else all know whats going on here. dont play dumb. no law should force someone to serve someone they dont want to... "the ownership reserves the right to refuse service to anyone"... ever seen that sign?? it exists because people who own the business are the uhh, OWNERS... not the government, the owners should decide these things.less

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if two guys wanna hit the hershey highway and stay in a guesthouse, then do it in another "inn", assuming the christian couple's place isn't the only one available around there. and umm, of course it isn't. they are being targeted forced by the government and the ungodly to do something against their good conscience. this was NOT a matter of life and death, nor principle even for that matter. this was a set up and this is the direction of the world. as i always say, this is no surprise... things are going to get worse. this is a horrible decision and situation altogether. ridiculous. a total violation of the owners of the property to decide who stays there. some heads should roll... hide

actually, even if he did all the things you just described, that in itself does not place him "outside the body of Christ", as you put it. further, you do not know if he continues to "advocate unBiblical practices", either. this is heresay and may or may not be true. you are participating in gossip and you don't know it for a fact. there is ONE thing that includes a person in the body of Christ...more

actually, even if he did all the things you just described, that in itself does not place him "outside the body of Christ", as you put it. further, you do not know if he continues to "advocate unBiblical practices", either. this is heresay and may or may not be true. you are participating in gossip and you don't know it for a fact.

there is ONE thing that includes a person in the body of Christ.... faith and trust in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross... plus nothing else, saves and redeems the lost soul. thats a fact.less

i know one thing... YOU most certainly won't. they want believably nice people to do them.

bla bla bla... negative ned, in full stride. does anything on this forum EVER meet your approval?? you're one of the biggest practicing kill-joys i have ever come across.... its almost obscene how much you try to squash anything cool here. i can't imagine the emptiness you must feel inside, displaying itself in your contempt for the beautiful things God does in the lives of Christians.

yes, symbolically... metaphorically... figuratively speaking, it is accurate to describe it that way... its a story of the grace of God crushing the head of condemnation and failure..

he's not a homosexual... just because he sinned more or less in that way, doesnt make him a homosexual... people get temped in many different areas of sin. it doesnt define them in the future.