Barack Obama defended same-sex civil unions Sunday by referring Christians against the practice to look at Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, which he contends supports gay civil unions.
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(Photo: AP Images / Paul Vernon)Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., answers a question from the audience during a town meeting at Westerville Central High School in Westerville, Ohio, Sunday, March 2, 2008.
"I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other," Obama said, referring to unions that provide all the legal benefits of marriage but the title, according to Christian Broadcasting Network. "I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state.
“If people find that controversial, then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans,” the Democratic presidential candidate contends. “That's my view. But we can have a respectful disagreement on that."
Media agencies speculate that Obama was referring to Matthew 7:12: “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.”
Obama was responding to a question posed by a local pastor during an appearance in Nelsonville, Ohio. Pastor Leon Forte had asked the candidate how he plans to win the support of evangelical voters who disagree with him on moral issues.
But not all Christians were happy with Obama’s use of the Bible to defend civil unions.
Pastor John Barner, manager of pastoral care at Focus on the Family, said:
"We are always saddened as evangelical Christians when others who identify themselves as Christians do not have the high view of Scripture that we believe is so important. We believe isolated portions of Scripture should not be used to justify a personal preference or a social position that goes in a different direction than the overall message of Scripture.”
The FOTF pastor said the Scripture is “pretty clear” in defining and affirming that marriage is “an exclusive, lifetime relationship between a man and a woman.”
“The compromising positions of these candidates are a disappointment to us as evangelical Christians,” he added.
Sen. Hillary Clinton has also expressed her support for civil unions.
“It’s a personal position,” she said in August, according to FOTF. “I am absolutely in favor of civil unions with full equality.”
Denny Burk, professor of New Testament at Criswell College in Dallas, also criticized Obama for insinuating that the Sermon on the Mount should be given greater emphasis than the teaching in Romans about homosexuality.
"The fact is that Jesus appointed Paul to bear his name before the Gentiles (Acts 9:15), many of whom were living in homosexual sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)," Burk said, according to the Baptist Press.
"The passage in Romans condemning homosexuality was not obscure to first century readers living in the Roman Empire. It’s only obscure to modern readers when they are looking for biblical grounds to justify that which God condemns,” the New Testament professor argued.
“As a matter of public policy, the best way to honor God’s intention for marriage and human sexuality is to keep monogamous, heterosexual marriage privileged in law,” he said. “Unfortunately, the policies of Senator Obama fall far short of the biblical ideal."
Amid ongoing questioning about his religion, Obama defended his personal faith while responding to the Ohio pastor, saying:
“I am a Christian. I am a devout Christian. I’ve been a member of the same church for 20 years. I pray to Jesus every night and try to go to church as much as I can.”
The Illinois senator explained that he hasn’t been home on Sunday for several months now.
The dean of the school of theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Russell D. Moore, cautioned Christians to not jump to conclusions about Obama.
"Conservative evangelicals and other social conservatives should not see Senator Obama's statements here as necessarily bad news," Moore said in a statement to Baptist Press. "He is acknowledging that his theological presuppositions affect the way he views governmental justice issues. We should be willing to engage that conversation, even when (as will often be the case) we have something very different to say.”
Obama’s pro-same-sex union comments came three days after he released a letter to the gay community vowing to use the “bully pulpit” as president to “treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws.”
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To any homosexuals:
God loves you, but all sin separates you from God. That is why we all need a Savior. Jeus is that
Savior because He is God and became man so he could offer His sinless life as a sacrifice to God for
our sins. This means all our sins can be forgiven by the Blood of Jesus.
If you haven't yet, call on Jesus today and ask Him to forgive your sins. He will. Ask God for the Holy
Spirit, you will be new!
*** People of faith are voting McCain - Palin ***
Evil exists with Obama's track record. Some facts on Obama's voting and speaking against the teaching
of Christ:
- Obama votes to kill babies born alive. These are people Jesus loves.
- Obama calls traditional marriage, which Jesus ordained, "divisive".
- Biden's church has told Biden not to take communion. This is serious.
Vote for McCain - Palin who care for marriage and all youth - instead of voting because someone is black or speaks well.
Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Any educated Christian would know that. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages often cherry picked refer to idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality.
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/2554/kallos/bchtext2.html
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=10620&pid=805
http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html
http://www.christchapel.com/romans_inter.html
http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/about/homosexuality.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/
Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. $100 say this will be erased, but by doing that, you are only denying yourself the truth. Jesus clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will.
<<<Evil comes disguised as light.>>>
That can go for a lot of things, some Organized Religions comes to mind. It's all perception based on assumptions.
<<Obama endorses partial birth abortion, gay marriage and other unbiblical things.>>
Where does it say anything negative in the Bible about partial birth abortion, and gay marriage? Oh, nowhere. Therfore it is not unBiblical. It is RELIGIOUS TRADITION and the creed of SOME Christian followers that makes that claim.
<<He is evil and both he and his wife hate this country.>>
More perspectives based in propaganda without evidentiary supported with FACT.
<<He bends Scripture as Satan did in the garden with Eve to trick and decieve.>>
The scriptures were not written when Adam and Eve were in the garden. Adam and Eve were illiterate and had no idea in the garden that there would one day be a Bible, therefore Satan could not have possibly bent scripture it hadn't been written yet.
<<<Where did they learn that from? Nowhere. It's a inborn trait. They steal because they see something they want. They may not know that either of those is a sin (or immoral if you choose that word). It's up to someone to point out that it is wrong. >>>
I would have to say they learned it from their parents, adults or siblings, thus making the point I have been stating ALL along, they learn lying, stealing and violent behavior from their parents, adults or siblings. It doesn't prove YOUR point when I state that children practice lying, or have the capacity to lie, they lie when they have developed speech, right? So it's pretty obvious that when they can speak, they have witnessed enough instances of parent or adult behavior to poorly or accurately model what they learn. YES, lying is a commonplace behaviour, and children are subject to lies all the time. The problem is that children learn to lie through experiencing others lie. It's a problem because they model what they see in adults.
<<<But keep talking about the children lying speech. You are continuing to prove my point. Children are born with the ability to lie, steal, etc. They lie because they don't want to get caught.>>>
How does it prove your point to say that by the time children speak they have learned to lie. By the time they speak, they have had enough modeled behavior experience from their parents and the adults around them which proves my point. If someone learns something, that means it is not innate- thus making it reasoned behavior.
Matthew 5:6
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied
Evil comes disguised as light. Obama endorses partial birth abortion, gay marriage and other unbiblical things. He is evil and both he and his wife hate this country. He bends Scripture as Satan did in the garden with Eve to trick and decieve.
Yes, but there are many psycholigist that would say that humans are born with the desire to do wrong, such as lie, steal, hit, etc, etc...
But keep talking about the children lying speech. You are continuing to prove my point. Children are born with the ability to lie, steal, etc. They lie because they don't want to get caught. Where did they learn that from? Nowhere. It's a inborn trait. They steal because they see something they want. They may not know that either of those is a sin (or immoral if you choose that word). It's up to someone to point out that it is wrong.
you said,
<<<I could find just as many psychologists who agree with me as you can find who agree with you.
We are all born into sin.>>>
Only a religious or theological psychologist would say something as ridiculous as "WE ARE ALL BORN INTO SIN."
From everything I am finding, it looks conclusive that LYING is a learned behavior- one that is reinforced bt how the parent deals with the situation. We learn to behave or not- sorry, but saying the Bible says so, is not working for me as FACT, nor is your anecdotal experience. You can believe in the Bbile and blame "sin" as the reason children behave the way they do, but YOUR theories don't jive with science, psychology or child development experts.
QT,
I didnt say anything about psychologists who believe in God, did I?
Young children learn from experience that stating an untruth can avoid punishment for misdeeds, before they develop the theory of mind necessary to understand why it works. In this stage of development, children will sometimes tell fantastic and unbelievable lies because they lack the conceptual framework to judge whether a statement is believable or even to understand the concept of believability.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
Young children learn from experience that stating an untruth can avoid punishment for misdeeds, before they develop the theory of mind necessary to understand why it works. In this stage of development, children will sometimes tell fantastic and unbelievable lies because they lack the conceptual framework to judge whether a statement is believable or even to understand the concept of believability.
The capacity to lie is noted early and nearly universally in human development. Social psychology and developmental psychology are concerned with the theory of mind, which people employ to simulate another's reaction to their story and determine if a lie will be believable. The most commonly cited milestone, what is known as Machiavellian intelligence, is at the age of about four and a half years, when children begin to be able to lie convincingly.
PART 2 innate means: existing in, belonging to, or determined by factors present in an individual from birth.
Behaviors are learned, children are not born with an established set of Good and Bad.
<<<If I really thought this argument was worth it, I could find just as many psychologists who agree with me as you can find who agree with you.
We are all born into sin. Children do not know it's wrong until they are told it is. >>>
The theology which you parrot says children are born into sin. Psychologists who are actually impartial to the Bible, G-d and religion disagree with you and other psychologists who believe in the Fallen Humanity theory of Bible Talk.
I just wonder where my 3 year old son, who had never been in a day care, and never saw me to it, learned to steal? He didn't learn it from anyone. He was born with it...like every other baby. If I really thought this argument was worth it, I could find just as many psychologists who agree with me as you can find who agree with you.
We are all born into sin. Children do not know it's wrong until they are told it is.
QT,
Wow. Talk about being misled. If you were to actually study the Bible instead of going off a few favorite scriptures, you'd understand that without Jesus we will all go to hell. But, then again, I do not expect someone of the carnal thought to understand the things of the spirit.
23 times in the New Testament the word "hell" is used. 15 of those times by Jesus Himself.
Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
Matthew 5:29 "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matthew 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
Acts 2. When Peter is preaching to the multitudes after the 120 were filled with the Holy Spirit.
So, no, hell was not created by the church centuries later. It was spoken of by Jesus Himself.
Q, if you're going to argue, at least do us the favor of studying and knowing what it is that you are arguing about. Please forgive me, but I am embarassed for you.
<<<I wish that lying was a learned behaviour...but it's not. It is a natural instinct in order to protect oneself. >>>
Lying is not a natural instinct childern are "born with." I am sorry you disagree, but psychologists don't.
Children who grow up in antisocial families are more likely to be antisocial themselves(lying is an antisocial behavior). Much of the research into why this is so has focused on parents' behavior. A new study finds that the way children perceive their parents' behavior provides clues as to why children of antisocial parents may grow up to be antisocial.
In an effort to determine how antisocial behavior in one generation is transmitted to the next, researchers looked at 430 adolescents and their biological parents across the children's high school years. Specifically, the study examined the adolescents' level of antisocial behavior, the level of such behavior in parents, and the teens' general perceptions of their parents' behavior. Antisocial behavior was defined in terms of substance use, recklessness and breaking laws, arguments and conflicts with others, and lying. The study examined if the effect of parents' antisocial behavior on the teens' antisocial behavior could be explained by the teens' perceptions of their parents as antisocial, as well as by disrupted parenting practices, such as poor monitoring, hostility, and harsh and inconsistent discipline.
http://www.brightsurf.com/news/headlines/28736/Childrens_perceptions_of_their_parents_antisocial_behavior_may_lead_them_to_be_antisocial.html
This study was done by The Society for Research in Child Development.
<<<Yes, the Bible says that without Jesus, everyone would go to hell. >>>
No, the scripture you are "prooftexting" in order to validate your personal opinion or the opinion you are parroting, like the one in Romans was written to those people, in that church, in the times it was written. And Jesus who was a Jew would not have stated that anybody would go to HELL. Hell is a concept derived by the "Church" centuries after Jesus philosophized on Earth. Paul or Timothy or Luke had no idea that others would later follow Jesus; therefore not ALL people sin, are given to sin or will sin. All you are doing is lumping EVERYBODY inot a category so that it makes it easier for you to judge, jury and prosecute them- while internally, you THINK you are "evangelizing."
Humanistic psychologist Rollo May, "Today we know a great deal about bodily chemistry and the control of physical diseases; but we know very little about why people hate, why they cannot love, why they suffer anxiety and guilt, and why they destroy each other."
Scientist, mathematician and philosopher Wolfgang Smith:
As a major example I would mention the Darwinian theory of evolution, which (contrary to official belief) is not in fact a scientific hypothesis corroborated by empirical facts, but a philosophic tenet masquerading in scientific garb. As one molecular biologist has put it, Darwinism is ultimately "no more and no less than the great cosmogenetic myth of the twentieth century." The genre of scientistic myth, however, is not limited to the sphere of biology; it is to be found even in the physical domain. When it comes to psychology and the social sciences, moreover, it appears that myth actually predominates.
Greetings and Salutations,
You have heard it said that only unforgivable sin is to deny the Holy Ghost, the "comforter". Many understand this to be suicide. I will tell you in truth that anyone who denies comfort to his neighbor risks the judgment. Anyone who denies such hope and comfort to the point of causing the suicide of another is guilty of the killing. This is denial of the Holy Ghost.
Many might lift the head above the neighbor and claim them children of Satan. I say unto you, who but the Father is the power of creation? The only power which Satan has is the power of "deception". It is easy to know truth, it is much harder and far more important to know that which is false.
Have we not been told by Jesus the Christ that the church leaders and translators of the Scripture have confused it for the sake of their own selfish purpose.
"...even the women and children were thieves and murderers." "If a man should sojourn unto your land, give him water for his thirst and a place of shade to rest."
The sin of Sodom is inhospitality to strangers, unless one reads the story as an adolescent reads a National Geographic Magazine, looking for a picture of a naked tribes-person. The Bible is NOT pornography.
Be not confused. "That which ye do to the Least of his Children, so do ye unto the Father"
"Ye shall pay every whit for that which ye have wrought"
We are admonished to accept our neighbor as ourself. This comes with NO EXCEPTIONS.
Love.
QT,
Don't quote the bible if your not going to read it in it's entirety.Christians treat the sin of homosexuality like any other sin,murder,theft,adultery, etc. What christians and non christians don't want is a small special interest group forcing their decadent sinful beleifs on the majority of the population, same sex unions are not a natural union-no children are produced, the continuation of the human race would cease if this was a natural act, it is a willfull,sinful,lustfull unnatural act which benefits no one but the immoral- that is why it is an abomination in the eyes of GOD- like all sin is!!! If you don't like the rules don't shoot the messenger, take it up with GOD, HE loves you no matter what you think and HE will forgive you if your sincere.
What children DO learn from their parents,isn't lying or stealing, it's whether lying or stealing is allowable. That's what they learn.
I wish that lying was a learned behaviour...but it's not. It is a natural instinct in order to protect oneself. My 2 or 3 year old doesn't have the capacity to reason what lying really is. All the child knows it that he/she got caught doing something, and he/she doesn't want to be caught. So they instinctively lie. But what they do learn from adults is how to make it a habit, and how to hone that skill.
My son didn't learn to lust from anyone. It's a natural affect. But he does learn from his friends how to feed that lust with websites and magazines. My son didn't learn to steal from anyone, because I don't steal. As I said, at the age of 2 or 3, the reasoning skills haven't been developed that much. All he knows is that he sees something he wanted. And he's going to take it.
<<<QT,
Another point on being born into sin.
Where does a child learn to lie? Nowhere. It's inherent. It's a natural reaction. Children are born with it. >>>
Lying is learned behaviour. No one is born with the behaviour of lying according to psychologists. I realize according to you and other Bible followers, everyone is born "into" sin and just sin "naturally." However, psychologists who actually study behaviour-- disagree with your assertions.
Children are born with a clean cognitive slate, and around age three and a half, a child may begin to understand that he can purposely use language to tell you something that isn't true. Children lie for the following reasons:
Fear of disappointing a parent
Avoiding punishment
Seeking attention
Crying out for help
Avoiding stressful situations
Imitating the behavior of the adults around him
I think one of the biggest reasons is ADULTS, children typically mirror what they see around them, so if they are lying well... probably their parents are teaching them to do it!
QT,
Another point on being born into sin.
Where does a child learn to lie? Nowhere. It's inherent. It's a natural reaction. Children are born with it. The same is true for stealing. Coveting. Lust (not just sexual either). We are all born into it. I'm not saying that we are habitual about one sin or the other, but we all do, on occasion, display our weakness in those (and other) areas. And one sin is enough to separate us from God. And try as we might, we will never cease from sinning. Because we are born into it. It is our flesh's "default value", so to speak. So we need God's mercy and forgiveness.
QT,
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"
Yes, the Bible says that without Jesus, everyone would go to hell.
<<<First off, everyone on this planet are "hell bound sinners", it is only by the grace of God are we saved. >>>
That's only if you subscribe to that teaching. You see, dear soul, the Bible doesn't say anywhere that everybody is "hell bound" or a "sinner." YOUR theology and religion teaches that none of your opinions will ever make what you have said truth, so you might search the scriptures, and your heart.
<<<Second, it is not Christians that are throwing sexual practices out for all to see, it is the homosexual movement for they are the ones that are calling attention to their sexual practices and require all accept it or be called "hatemongers" and "intollerant" and the like. >>>
Oh really? Then why do Christians even enter this argument? Can't Christians just serve Christ and practice their religion and leave others ALONE, no, they can't because they like to talk about homosexuals, what types of sexual things they do(real or imaginary) and how long they will burn in hell for being an abomination. I think they call your little game BLAME THE VICTIM.
<<<Marriage is something that God has created, not Man, God created Us to be together as man and woman, it isn't a knee jerk action, it has been in scripture for generations. >>>
No, it is something human beings have created- it is a social custom. I realize that most Christians don't read much anthropology, but marriage has evolved into a social custom with a whole list of traditions and celebrations... where in the bbile does it describe marriage as celebrated by humans TODAY? Oh, that would be nowhere.
To Citizen:
"kunokiko: It's amazing how many evangelical/fundamentalist Christians forget that marriage is already enjoyed by many people who said Christians believe are "hell-bound sinners" acting contrary to "God's WIll", yet not a peep until a group whom they can visually identify (and causes their brains to immediately jump to thinking about sex practices that make them nervous for some odd reason) wants marriage as well. For these reasons, the opposition to marriage equality comes from heterosexual entitlement and a knee-jerk tribalist mentality, both of which are wholly inappropriate as a basis for public policy. It is not in any way principled. "
First off, everyone on this planet are "hell bound sinners", it is only by the grace of God are we saved. Second, it is not Christians that are throwing sexual practices out for all to see, it is the homosexual movement for they are the ones that are calling attention to their sexual practices and require all accept it or be called "hatemongers" and "intollerant" and the like. Marriage is something that God has created, not Man, God created Us to be together as man and woman, it isn't a knee jerk action, it has been in scripture for generations.
kunokiko;
To some extent I see your point. Mat 7:6 implies not to use scripture with unbelievers for correction. However, God has given us the institutions of family, church and state and the charge to be salt and light to the world. Since we are in the world (and not to be of it) we have a command to participate as salt and light. As long as God has given us this particular state, a constitutional republic, with the inherent responsibility of having a voice in the state do you not consider the charge to be salt and light as part of the state's operation? To be a participant in the political process? If we don't participate and try to elect Godly men into office to carry out God's will for governing and law making then have we not disobeyed our charge? Have we not left the state in the hands of ungodly men and their own devices?
Barner of FotF says: "We believe isolated portions of Scripture should not be used to justify a personal preference or a social position that goes in a different direction than the overall message of Scripture.”
Whoo! Did everyone catch that? This from an organization that has specialized in doing just that since its inception. That is exactly what non-fundamentlaist Christians have been saying for years, and this guy goes and steals it when it suits his argument. Unbelievable.
kunokiko: It's amazing how many evangelical/fundamentalist Christians forget that marriage is already enjoyed by many people who said Christians believe are "hell-bound sinners" acting contrary to "God's WIll", yet not a peep until a group whom they can visually identify (and causes their brains to immediately jump to thinking about sex practices that make them nervous for some odd reason) wants marriage as well. For these reasons, the opposition to marriage equality comes from heterosexual entitlement and a knee-jerk tribalist mentality, both of which are wholly inappropriate as a basis for public policy. It is not in any way principled.
I kinda look at this at a different angle. If the people of this world want to include the union of two people of the same sex in marriage, then let them. Because we aren't really people of this world. We're merely pilgrims passing through. We know that our time in this world is short compared to the eternity in the kingdom of God. Just because our state calls a couple a "married couple" doesn't mean that it is also binding in the eyes of God. I mean, non Christians get married all the time in Courthouses and through notaries, completely in the absense of the blessings of God. I don't really think that these marriages are going to be binding in the Kingdom of God. So...let the people of this world have their "marriages," for we only care about that is bind in the eyes of God in the Kingdom of God.
IronPillar,
First, I want to make it clear that my comment was not directed towards your post which preceeded mine. Second, the definitions you posted do have different meanings ranging from discernemt to condemning and punishing. Mat 7:1-5 forms a complete thought regarding judging a person's heart harshly as many commentaries support. Jesus did not prohibit judging for other situations as Mat 7:6 makes very clear and the other situations I noted. I believe you missed my point about Mat 7:6; true, that verse does not use the term 'judge' but rather implies that we have to judge (discern, not punish) to distinguish those that hate the truth Vs those that love the truth. God Bless and pray that as iron sharpens iron man sharpens man.
All I personally have to say, and ALWAYS have for the past 30 years since giving my life/heart over to Jesus is THIS "JUST BECAUSE ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE DOES NOT MAKE IT NOT TRUE!" I have always believed, as well as practiced, that "People don't care how much YOU know until they know how much YOU care about them." We can only pray for Obama, however, I do have ONE MAJOR opinion regarding this individual and that is.....you can tell me all day long how much of a "Christian" he personally is, BUT, his MOTHER is STILL a practicing Muslim based on information I have and I have a son and I can ASSURE you he loves the SAME GOD I love and raised him to love. I would suggest people out there who are "considering" voting for him just based on his profressed dChristianity to most definitely, and I mean most definitely, consider this ONE MAJOR because when push comes to shove, most individuals return to the "God of their rearing." Only my opinion for what it's worth. If there are any typos in this post please forgive as I am legally blind since the past ten years (I'm 51 now) and I KNOW my Lord and Saviour and Jehovah Jirha (Sp)! He's taken me thru some difficullt and situations. Bbefore I lost the majoriy of my sight I studied for several hours every morning before going off to work EVERYDAY so I KNOW the scriptures, especially about studying to show ourselves approved....:) God Bless all and of course it goes without saying we ARE MOST definitely in the end times! Hallelujha! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!! :)
Obama, read Mark 10, when Jesus was asked about Divorce, he took the time to define marriage as between a male and a female.
Jesus replied. "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." Mark 10:5-9
2 Tim 4:2-4 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (NIV)
You can always find someone that will say what you want to here. Paul knew this 2000 years ago. Every person on the planet can can decide that homosexuality is OK, and it still will not change God's mind. Acceptance does not equal forgiveness.
Hawk49 - the word judge and judged in Matt. 7:1-2 (the words are not mentioned in verses 3-6) kjv. Meaning Krino kree-no (greek dictionary - James Strong expanded concordance) - properly to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or judicially); by implementing to try, condemn, punish. judge/judged does NOT have various meanings. Addressing your questions regarding Matt.7:6 - this principle governs how one handles the gospel in the face of those who hate the truth. Final thought - Pray :)
Judge; this word has various meanings and we will do well to understand the distinctions. Mat 7:1-6 is talking of not judging a persons motivations or heart as this only God can do. However, we are told to judge a person by his fruit. In Mat 7:6 how do we tell who the 'dogs' and 'pigs' are if not by judging? We are told to be ware of false teachers; how do we do that if we don't judge? We are told to expell unrepent sinners from the Body; how do we do that if we do not judge? We are told to judge right from wrong. We can also judge Obama for false teachings from scripture. How do you choose a candidate if you do not judge him/her by a standard? As Christians our only standard is God's standard. Tolerance and diversity are the world's lies as applied against Christians today.
Scripture is very clear: 1Cor.6:9-10 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. What is the solution? Confess your sins, accept Jesus and seek God's will daily. Mark 8:34 - And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. This MUST be done daily. Now let's look at 1 Cor. 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Thank you Jesus!! Our only hope is Jesus :)
What we are being asked to accept is that homosexuality is not a sin, when Scripture clearly says that it is. This did not change when we came under the Spirit of grace of the New Testament. If we normalize homosexuality, aren't we then encouraging them to sin? I know that recently there has been some squabbling over what certain Greek words may pertain to in the New Testament in regard to homosexuality, but throughout the Bible the practice is condemned in a variety of ways, so that there should be no misunderstanding. If we take the warnings in I Corintians and Romans seriously, can we do anything but warn them about how serious the consequences are? And if we are "tolerant" of this behavior and they end up in hell as a result, are we not in a way culpable? Ezekiel 33:8-9 says, "When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man you will surely die,' and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself." All we can do is sound the warning.
I like that scripture he quoted "Do unto others as you would have them do to you." I live by that. If my brother sees me sinning a sin that could destroy me, I'd want them to tell me. So, I am doing unto others as I want done to me.
The probleim with a majority of homosexuals, is that they don't want to be warned.
findingfaith,
Oh I agree with you whole-heartedly. I was just merely stating that one can judge. Should we? Probably not. I dunno. It really depends on the person you're speaking with. For some showing them where they are wrong works fantastically. For others it may only push them away even more. You really need to know who you're talking to before getting into theological discussions. Which is where I think loving your neighbor is a good thing to live by. You must become friends first and then gain their trust. Once that has developed then offer some insight into their sins. That's the way I do it at least. :)
ShuckCreations - Thank you for the guidance :) Yes, you're right, we do have the right to judge, and it is our mission to "spread the light of Christ".
That said, I don't believe (and this is my personal belief - others are free to disagree) that spreading the light of Christ involves judgement. Neither does embracing all people mean not helping them find the way. It means accepting who they are and who they have the potential to become. It means helping them find the way with kindness, patience and tollerance. We can show them the path, but it is ultimately their choice to accept it or not.
That, to me, is what "do to others what you would have them do to you" means to me. If we take nothing else from scripture (whether a person accepts scripture as Truth, or as myth), I pray that we all take those few simple words to heart.
findingfaith, I must correct you. We do have the right to judge. Men were judged accordingly all throughout the old testament. And though we may not live by the old covenant anymore God still talks about judgement. “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven." (Luke 6:37) You see he says it's better not to judge because you will be judged just as equally. However, nowhere does he say you can't.
When a person is judged he is held accountable and for that I welcome judgement. I know I'm not perfect and neither are you for every man lives in sin. When you tell me of my sin, or I of yours, our eyes should be opened to it and fix it. Whether we already were or not doesn't matter, being told by someone else sometimes brings us to a realization that we can't hide in our sin and that it still needs to be repented.
Lastly, I'll comment on this statement:
"For me, I choose to embrace all people - gay, straight, Christian, Muslim - as my brothers and sisters because God teaches tollerance, acceptance, generosity and kindness. Their choices are not mine to judge. "
While this is true in a sense, if we merely accept people for who they are without letting them know the greatness that is Christ Jesus and how to repent what good are we to them? We all have only one calling in this life and that is to spread the light of Christ to everyone!
So to summarize judging has never hurt anyone if used in the right ways. Constructive critisism is used a lot to help people better themselves and so by judging you can do the same. Well there's my 2¢, take it with a grain of salt or with an open mind. Your choice.
jessephillips - I completely agree :)
HAWK49 - You're right. God gave us government to help lead us the right way. And that is why it is so important for each of us to vote for the candidate we feel best upholds what is right.
God did not give us the right to judge. That is for Him and Him alone. Each of us has opinions and lifestyles that others may not agree with, but we expect to be given the freedom to use free will in making our own choices. I think that is what Obama meant is using the Sermon on the Mount. “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.”
Our governments give us the freedom to CHOOSE to be Christian, and to CHOOSE our faith. It also gives us the freedom to use our FREE WILL - our God-given gift of free will. Some may use it poorly. But it is their right to do so. Again, their GOD-GIVEN right to do so.
It is not for us to judge, only for us to extend to everyone the same respect and courtesies we would want for ourselves. I think that is what Obama was getting at - Let people use their free will. And in that, I agree.
Should you turn away from those who you feel act sinfully? That is your choice. It is your choice to speak against them and berate their choices. God gave us free will and His guidance. Those are our gifts to do with them what we will.
For me, I choose to embrace all people - gay, straight, Christian, Muslim - as my brothers and sisters because God teaches tollerance, acceptance, generosity and kindness. Their choices are not mine to judge.
The disconnect between the pursuit of education to acquire knowledge and understanding and the beliefs of individuals based on feeling is ever widening, but so it goes with those who preach a social gospel. They corrupt the minds of those under their tutelage in part because of a lack of education (2 Tim 3:1-7). They know not what they speak of (Heb 5:11-14).
Science has the scientific method in guiding scientists to their conclusions.
Grammarians study syntax, grammar, and context to offer meaning and understanding to a language.
Biblical interpretation should always implement hermeneutics (art and science of interpreting Scripture) in determining the proper meaning of Scripture.
Obama clearly has not been taught correctly and neither have those who teach him.
<<<Why are we fighting these battles!!!??? Seriously, let's focus on loving people and helping the poor, then homosexuals will get saved and repent! But legislating morality IS NOT GOING TO WORK!>>>
I wouldn't get saved and repent if that was the attitude I found in Christians like this poster. In fact, it that very attitude that keeps people from the knowledge of G-d. I think it's really funny how many adulterous, obese and false Christians hang out in churches hoping others will stop being "sinful" while they blindly disregard their own sins. In fact, many in church leadership are committing the most heinious sins while preaching against people they are prejudiced against. Is this the image of G-d we need, or is it just so convenient?
Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
jessephillips, you are a voice of reason. I agree with you 100%.
That being said, I disagree with Obama's use of scripture to support his viewpoint.
jessephillips;
God designed for us three governing institutions; family, church and state. Each has their specific role. You're correct that we must reach out in a winsome way to witness to people and allow the Holy Spirit to work through us. However, Romans 13 tells us that God gave us the governement to carry out His commands for good and to do justice to evil. Therefore, the state has the responsibility to use God's (moral) laws to discern good from evil and carry out justice. His ethics must be used and we, as Americans, have the responsibilty to vote for the candidate that comes cloest to meetings God's will in governing the republic. Laws cannot change hearts towards God, only enforce behavior. Laws, however, can destroy hearts if they are laws contrary to God's laws (ie:abortion, homosexual unions, legal cohabitation, gambling, no-fault divorce, etc) These types of anti-God law are based on false philosophy that itching ears are ready to hear.
“As a matter of public policy, the best way to honor God’s intention for marriage and human sexuality is to keep monogamous, heterosexual marriage privileged in law,”
I disagree. As it clearly states in 1 Cor 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
By trying to enforce biblical morals on the sinful culture, we're not winning anyone. Rather we're giving them a stumbling block - as the pharisees did - making them think that Christianity is about works and my own righteousness, rather than being transformed by God's grace.
Why are we fighting these battles!!!??? Seriously, let's focus on loving people and helping the poor, then homosexuals will get saved and repent! But legislating morality IS NOT GOING TO WORK!
LOVE, jessse
TWPeck: Hmm, I had that same thought, HUH! lol, it is amazing what Scripture people will use to justify their viewpoint.
GOD was not looking for our viewpoint when HE authorized The Bible, We either accept HIS Word and live accordingly or we do not. I have more respect for those who say, I do not believe this Word as to those who claim that it gives them permission to live a sinful life!
God is HOLY and He is calling HIS Children to walk in Holiness.
If you do not want God that is your choice and I honestly respect that; but I choose to believe in my GOD and I know what I know is true, I cannot prove that to you and my God tells me I do not have anything to prove!
I know that God loves me and HE is transforming me into the Image of HIS Son and for that I say thank you God!
As for this election, GOD will have in place the person that HE has chosen for this position and time! God is in control not man, nor Satan! JESUS is LORD; all authority has been give to HIM since the Resurrection!
seedplanter: May God richly bless you as you continue to hold out the Word of Truth; but those who are blinded will never see the Light of Christ, as their hearts are darkened. We can give the reason for the hope that we have, but if people such as Citizen choose to not believe God, what is there left to say.
Amen Tom! Let's make a real effort to pray for Citizen and all those who come on here professing non-belief in God and His Word! In Jesus Name Amen
May the peace and grace of our Lord be with each of you today, Annie
When I first heard this I said to myself "Huh?"
I then went back and re-read the Sermon on the Mount.
I still said "huh"?
Guess this proves the point that the Bible is so open to interpretation...
Not necessarily, some people troll by posting deliberate offensive remarks in order to get a knee jerk response. Or some people who may think of themselves as Christians may attempt to use isolated segments of the Bible to propose ideas that offend mainstream Christians. Still others may call themselves Christians (the Westboro cult comes to mind) and act in the most un-Christian manner. There are many people that I have a different opinion, but I choose not insult them or their beliefs. When I found this website I had hoped that ideas, current events, religion and even politics could be discussed in a polite, civilized manner. After all, no one wins anyone to Christ through beligerence. I have seen where comment after comment has been flagged and was curious as to why.
ender: If I were a troll, I'd be pretending to be Christian. I've always been up-front about my position here. In fact, I've only had two posts legitimately flagged (someone was going on a flagging rampage and I got caught in it. that doesn't count). If you all want to get rid of me, you know what you can do: change the rules to ban criticism of Christianity. Until then, I will follow the rules of the website, and continue to post my opinions.
It is fairly easy to test Obama's fruit to realize his religious worldview is that of a humanist. He plays the devil's game of deception and revisionism.
I see many of you are unfamiliar with trolling. Every website has people who do this.
citizen, we can play some more ping pong tomorrow maybe. I have to admit, I feel a little out of shape staying up so late.
What is the lie citizen? I merely pointed out a few lines for you to consider. I would consider it a llie for you to say that the Bible is chocked full of fables.
Anyway, my time is up. Its 10:21 PM, I'm calling it.
God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore atheists do not exist. lol.
Seedplanter Between me and you I don't think your lying, I think cit just has a hard time with the truth. So we just need to be praying for him, maybe the veil will be lifted a bit for him to see it. Gods Blessing in Christ Tom
seedplanter: I know that you know how to lie about atheists, you don't have to keep demonstrating.
citizen here's the mythology:
1. There is no God, no supreme being, no creator - we just exist as a product of random mutations that spontaneously generated into existence; it is only by blind luck that the galaxy exploded into existence and that it did so exactly the right way so that our planet would be finely tuned so it could sustain life: Life out of raw materials and chemicals.
2. There is no objective morals.
3. There is no accountability.
We could go back and forth and back and forth, kind of like ping pong. Do you like ping pong? I wonder what happened to my old ping pong table.
Now dgnymn I don't think as of right now I will be voting for Ron Paul, but I do agree with you on this obamma guy. To vote for him or clinton for that matter is to vote for someone who supports the murder of unborn babies even, I said even as they are being born and he is for the destruction of marraige as Christians and society for thousands of years have defined it. And then has the kaunays to invoke the sermon on the mount as a supporting gay marraige. Can you say anti-Christ. Gods help us , God help them who say ther are believers but yet support someone the likes of him, come quickly Lord Jesus come quickly. In Christ Tom
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Hey dgnymn: Relax man. Have a drink (just one). You're gonna have a thrombosis if you don't.
dgnymn: I'm sorry you find the thought of freedom of conscience for women and the freedom to marry for same-sex couples so threatening.
Seedplanter: I'm not mythologizing it...it has always been mythology. Like I told kpercy07, I don't think Trekkies would consider their books and TV shows neutered because they are mythology. If you want something closer to home, many Christians are already comfortable with deriving their identity from admitted myths. You mentioned the Jesus Seminar, and they would certainly be one example. Perhaps it is you who should be joining them.
HOW ABOUT IF WE STOP WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS AND FOCUS ON THE STORY AT HAND!!! Hmmmmmm????
HAS ANYONE AWAKENED YET TO THIS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA??? HAS ANYONE YET FIGURED OUT THAT HE IS NOT THE FRIEND OF PEOPLE OF GENUINE FAITH IN CHRIST IN THIS NATION??? Hmmmm?
I've been stating that not only is this candidate of the Democratic Party a Baby Killer, but he is an ardent support of the Homosexualization of this nation, and he is on record as supporting the same. To use the Sermon on the Mount and the words of Christ to support an abomination is heretical. Did not Jesus say that many would come in His name, but that we'd know them by their fruits? Out of the mouth the heart speaks, said Christ. Where is Barack Hussein Obama's heart, and don't quote his so-called inspirational political statements which don't amount to anything.
THE FACT IS THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS NOT FRIENDLY TO THE TRADITIONAL FAITH OF OUR FATHERS. WHICHEVER JESUS HE IS PRAYING TO DOES NOT ABIDE BY THE KILLING OF THE UNBORN AND THE ADVOCACY OF THE HOMOSEXUALIZATION OF THIS NATION!!! And "Born-Again" Christians are flocking to the Democratic Party?? Why and for what reason? HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE BRIGHT LIGHT OF DECEPTION.
THE SCRIPTURES STATE THAT THE DECEIVER WILL COME TO TRY TO DECEIVE, IF POSSIBLE, THE VERY ELECT!! IS ANYONE LISTENING OR PAYING ATTENTION????? Hillary Clinton is no different. She has the same agenda - the murder of the unborn and the Homosexualization of the nation. McCain might look good, but he has abandoned the Constitution.
VOTE RON PAUL OR THE CONSTITUTION PARTY'S CANDIDATE, WHEN HE IS CHOSEN!!!
REPENT, CHRISTIANS, FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!!
seedplanter: People who lie about atheists don't have a leg to stand on when they are called on it.
RBB: Hardly.
citizen, that is very interesting. I hope you don't mind if I take your supposed altruistic motives to task. While there is a part of me that is inclined to consider your feelings on the issue, I am sure that you understand that mythologizing Christian belief is to neuter it. You also have been around here long enough to know that Christians take extreme offense at such rhetoric. I am in no way suggesting that you should leave the post, but there are numerous others who shall I say wouldn’t be the least bit opposed to the idea.
ifeelfine72: "McCain... He supported and supports the war in Iraq - that doesn't sound pro-life to me."
1. This is a common mistake. McCain actually opposed the war in Iraq.
2. If this is the pivotal point in voting for Obama, you should know that he favors invading Pakistan.
3. Furthermore, since Obama hasn’t been around long enough to see how he would have voted, we will never know what he would have done.
4. Hillary voted for the invasion.
5. Bill was considering invasion until he had a rep feel the pulse of America on the issue.
6. You assume that the war was not pro-life, when the people of Iraq were forming parades as our troops went through the country. I have a good friend who could not talk highly enough about the people of Iraq and their response to the US troops.
7. People in Iran were holding up signs on their rooftops saying, come here next.
8. This also does not take into consideration the number of other countries who have taken a favorable turn towards the US, France for example.
9. There is also a problem in distinguishing the difference in fighting for the people of Iraq (I don’t think it is not necessary to agree with the initial invasion) and protecting the right to murder innocent babies after birth. I live in Illinois so I know first hand how Obama fought against protecting babies – after birth.
10. You are not taking into consideration that Obama and Hillary are not running against Bush.
kpercy07: If you choose to be insulted by my characterization of the bible, that is also none of my concern. There is nothing wrong, in my view, with ancient Middle Eastern mythology, or ancient Greek mythology, or any other mythology for that matter. Therefore, it is not an insult, nor is it intended as such.
Citizen - What kind of silly fish are you peddling this time :) I'll take that as a yes that your too afraid of Muslims to spout this tired old stuff on their sites.
Actually citizen, what you have suggested in your most recent post is quite similar to the Jesus Seminar. Maybe you should join their club.
The difference with Christianity is that it is based on history, not mind-numbing meditation.
Citizen, isn't that a twist. You postulate your unwarranted naturalism (which is really Magical Mother Nature) as if it is an undisputed fact and criticize Christians for believing that nature and natural laws have a creator - on a Christian web sight. You wonder why someone would challenge your motives? I find it interesting how you try to fill the role of moral and intellectual superiority when here you are resorting to name calling, belittling and degrading others. As I have pointed out before, this is normal life without God: no limits, no boundaries, no moral foundation. I cannot believe you even attempted to suggest objective morality. Naturalism is a crude form of liberalism as you have so eloquently demonstrated.
Citizen: What I should or shouldn't believe is none of your concern. What you SHOULD NOT do is TROLL. If you are out here to engage in discussion or debate, that is welcome. To insult the Christian faith on a Christian site and pick fights is obnoxious. Please stop.
kpercy07: if you don't like it when people point out that your core beliefs are based on ancient Middle Eastern mythology....you probably shouldn't attach your identity to ancient Middle Eastern mythology, or else accept that you've done so. Follow the example of the Trekkies: they find their meaning in myth, too, but they don't require it to be factually true, or ask anyone else to base their life on it to avoid being assimilated by the Borg. And yet, their enjoyment and inspiration is not impaired.
From Indonesia,
If we suspect an individual to practice Islam then it should be very simple to verify whether he is indeed a practicing Muslim. Have him personally say in front of live TV that he is in fact an convert from Islam to Christianity HOWEVER LONG TIME AGO and specifically say that the murderous and pedophile Muhammad is a false prophet and the Qur'an, Hadith, Itjithad and Muhammad Sunnah are bunch of incoherent text from medieval desert warlord. OR the other way around have him say the Shahadat and renounce Christianity.
Conversion needs to be announced publicly, I believe this should be very easily done. Then usually the local Muslim mob tried to fire bomb Barack Obama house or family car since that is the standard operating procedure for this item listed in the Quran. Actually slitting their throat is the more standard.
Until that happen Barack Obama is a Muslim based on Indonesian Muslim viewpoint.
Good luck guys,
kpercy07 - I'm afraid he and the other atheists have to come to Christian sites, you don't think they say these kinds of things to Muslims do you, that would require courage.
One can only hope that Obama has a better grasp of foreign and domestic policy than he does of the Bible.
If he was for gay marriage and simply said it was his opinion, that's his view and he will have to answer for it, but to claim that Jesus was in favor of it if you twist the scripture backward, sideways, and change the words, won't make it something the Word actually says.
FullGospel: How can you say McCain is pro-life? He supported and supports the war in Iraq - that doesn't sound pro-life to me.
Hey Citizen: This is a Christian site. Naturally, you are free to do as you please. But where is the decency in coming out here and calling our core beliefs "a 2000 year old text of middle eastern myths." Did you enjoy that? Did you tell all your friends what you did?
Come on, man. If you don't agree, or if you think we're crazy and deluded, I get it. But don't come trolling onto a Christian site to disrespect our faith. That's low.
This is why filtering your moral views through a 2000 year old text of middle eastern myths is a bad idea. It causes you to have to do all sorts of contortions to get with the text, when simply treating the book as myth on par with The Illiad, Gilgamesh, and the Eddas, far from being moral relativism, would put morality on much more defensible ground.
In truth, making morality "whatever god says" is subjective morality at its worst. Where is the objective standard when an all-powerful being like a god could change its mind at any time, for no reason at all, just because it can?
There is one of our two probable choices for President. The other is a pro-life Baptist, John McCain. "I set before you life and death...choose life, that you may live." Deut. 30:19. Christians, we have to vote for a pro-life President who has a probable chance of winning, which means McCain. It simply comes down to who has more votes in November, Obama or McCain.
If we will apply 2 Chronicles 7:14.......
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
If we don't apply it, God will give us exactly what we want. TIME TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
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SICK SICK SICK!!! His own name says it all. Obama's nation is an Abomination. And the Lord God shall deal with this and other evils rebelliously promoted by a withering population. I defy Obama's fertility god. The One and One God is Holy. He will not allow people to disfigure His reputation. America should have voted for Mike Huckabee, now we must go through the tribulation with this antichrist to the dismay of John Hagee.
But look on the brightside... God is still moving, saving, healing, and empowering His people to reach the lost.
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I wonder if Obama considers this passage "obscure" too -
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, - 1Corinthians 6:9.
. . . . . than an obscure passage in Romans.??????
Another example of someone who claims to be a Christian and yet deny the very Word of God.
Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it – Jeremiah 6:19.
Eph 5:3-7 "But FORNICATION, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
fornication = Greek 'porneia' = illicit sexual intercourse, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1Cr 5:9-13 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people–
not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”
Accept the repentant? Most certainly! Accept the unrepentant as a brother? God forbid!
God calls it an abomination! Got a problem with it? Talk to Him.
In the mean time, excuse me if I reject your moral relativism.