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Opinion|Mon, Apr. 14 2008 05:38 PM EDT

Rod Parsley on Islam

By Martin Marty|Christian Post Contributor

William Franklin Graham famously called Islam a wicked and evil religion, but I don't think he called for its extinction through violence, as in war. Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo, a wild politician, did call for the bombing of Mecca to shatter the Muslim center. Now, Parsley—as in Rod Parsley—is the flavor of the month among the controversial clergy being spotlighted in the camps of the three presidential campaigners. Parsley, pastor of Ohio's mega-est megachurch, twelve-thousand-member World Harvest Church in Columbus, calls for "destroying" Islam.

Parsley is most explicit in his well-selling Silent No More and in broadcasts to large and presumably assenting audiences. While Americans know that some who claim Allah would like to destroy Christian civilization, citizens often overlook the tit-for-tat or tat-for-tit (that is, "who started it?") calls for war from militants on both sides. As reported in Mother Jones (March 12), Parsley says there is a war and he wants bigger war, as America can only "fulfill its divine purpose" by seeing to it that Islam, "this false religion, is destroyed." Though he spells out no specific strategy, he writes things like, "We find now we have no choice. The time has come" to destroy "this anti-Christ religion," inspired by demons who spoke to Allah.

Shall some Muslims be spared—the moderates down the street or anywhere else, for example? No: "mainstream believers" in the "1,209 mosques" in America drink from the same well as do the extremists whom all citizens condemn. Screaming that he does not want to be "another screaming voice moving people to extremes," Parsley has plunged into presidential politics in the hope that he will find policies that will help "destroy" or lead to the "destruction" of Islam, the goal of his war.

Islam has no central authority. It is a family religion, a village religion, with millions of bases for a billion believers. Islam is not an institution or a dogma. When one calls for the destruction of Islam one has to mean the killing of all Muslims. Rather than accuse Parsley of calling for genocide, it is in place to ask him to spell out alternatives. Does "destroy" Islam mean winning a debate until every last targeted Muslim cries uncle and says, "I give up, you win"? He may mean that. Does the "destruction of Islam" mean the deconversion of a billion people and, preferably, conversion to Parsley's "Christian civilization"? Try converting as many as one in your town, and then take on the millions more in Indonesia. Does "destroy" mean bombing the 1,209 mosques in America, which number includes only a few of the world-wide total? As of now, Parsley simply calls for "war." By most definitions, doesn't "war" mean "killing"?

The United Nations document on the Prevention of Genocide condemns attempts to exterminate others through "acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, racial, ethnical, or religious group, as such." Ben Kiernan's Blood and Soil, a new "world history of genocide," finds genocide to be identified by "philosophical outlooks and obsessions, often harmless in themselves yet invidiously related," that supply "lethal ideological ammunition" for violence, and that these include "racial and religious hatreds." Reviewer William H. McNeill in the New York Review of Books (April 17) traces such in "our" culture back to Deuteronomy 20:17, where the Lord demanded that his people "utterly destroy" the other peoples. Most Jews and Christians, we thought, have buried that language. Brother Parlsey and followers have raised it up.

Is it time to scream, "Brother, there is still time" for you to spell out how your "war" to "destroy" Islam does not mean killing all Muslims, the way a genocidist would?

References:
Ben Kiernan, Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to Darfur. Yale University Press, 2007.

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  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So I take it that you support or at least tolerate "Word of Faith - Prosperity Gospel" hucksters, er um, televangelists?

    Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

  • Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:10 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Quecat-

    Oh boy....I knew that by being too general, was going to be rebuffed by someone, ha!

    Of course, I agree if someone is teaching unbiblical things etc, they should be confronted, but in a biblical way, with a gentle and meek attitude, as set out in scripture.
    My point was that's not our job PERSONALLY to hang him out to dry:
    a) because that would be the job of the elders of the church or who his leadership is.
    b) because none of us are involved personally.....we just don't know all the facts.

    Who hasn't been acused of something that they didn't say or do, or that was taken out of context....I think we all have, or will. All I'm saying is be careful when you judge some else when you only hear one side. That doesn't mean we shouldn't judge, or discern, and it doesn't mean we shouldn't pass the verdict, but that it's done responsibly,and in a Christ-like manner.
    P.S. Praying for someone isn't "sitting around."

  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:53 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Constantine,

    I also agree that any kind of secular effort will not suffice as well. I meant that from a secular point of view, a war might be the only thing to do. And I also agree that idleness will be our death, and is even now proving to be our death.

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:29 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    "If God called Mr.Parsley to Pastor, then it's God's job to deal with him if He needs to."
    FALSE!
    1Jo 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
    We're not to sit around waiting to see if God "deals" with a false teacher. WE are to try the spirits whether they are of God.

    Does the teacher teach unbiblical principles? Is he exploiting you for money - "making merchandise of you"? I think the conclusion is clear.

    Jesus Himself, says that in that day not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will enter in.

    Pauls writes:
    2Cr 11:3-7 "But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super‑apostles.”
    I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge?

    2Cr 11:12-15 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
    And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
    It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."

    2Cr 11:19-20 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise!
    In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or pushes himself forward or slaps you in the face."

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:48 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    No, my post was directed at people like the author of this article who refuse to properly investigate the true nature of Islam, by your comments you seem to be aware of how evil Islam is, and i myself am not promoting any type of new crusade, though it would be better than idleness, because Islam will eventually bring complete war to our civilization. I do disagree that any sort of secular effort has any chance.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Constantine,

    Were you referring to me? I fully realize the inherent evil in the Quran and Islam. But that does not mean "Kill them all", and for a Christian cause it does not mean "kill any". Let us rise above their standard. Granted, something must be done to stop Islam, and perhaps from a secular point of view, a war of some kind is necessary.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:34 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    I found this article....strange to say the least. It tended to be more about the writers personal obvious opinions, than presenting just the facts, which is what journalism is SUPPOSED to be. If it is done ethically and properly, it should allow the reader to come to his/her's own conclusion without "helpful comments" or certain "selected" facts by the writer.

    Be careful not to jump to a conclusion/judgement before you consider the source, who or whatever. Personally, I see and hear so many false things, that I now weigh everything I hear/see from the media and take it with a grain of salt. Unfortuntely, most media is unreliable and journalism is not what it once was....sigh.
    I SERIOUSLY doubt that Mr.Parsley advocates harming individuals....let's get a grip here people. Though, from the selected details provided by the article I can see how that conclusion could very much be percieved.

    On a side note: I get so sick and tired of Christians slagging others in the body. They kick them when they're down, and then ask questions later. First and foremost our job is to pray for the person, not kick them in the teeth. If God called Mr.Parsley to Pastor, then it's God's job to deal with him if He needs to.... and in the meantime, I'm pretty sure He doesn't appreciate disparaging remarks by or towards of any member of His body.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:30 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Had to answer my own question - who is Rod Parsely?

    "Exactly how Parsley purports to “help” the poor, both black and white, is evident in his practice of Word of Faith theology, also known as the “prosperity gospel.” Word of Faith is a nondenominational religious movement with no official church hierarchy or ordination procedures, which emphasizes the absolute prophetic authority of pastors, the imperative to make tithes and offerings to the church, and the power of an individual’s spoken word to lay claim to their spiritual and material desires. Purveyors of Word of Faith, like Parsley, teach their flock to “sow a seed” by donating money to the church, promising a “hundredfold” return. Word of Faith has been popularized, in large part, by the immense growth of TBN -- a nonprofit entity with a 24-7 lineup of regular evangelists and faith healers, including Parsley, assets of more than $600 million, and annual revenues approaching $200 million, making it the closest competitor to Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network"

    tbn - Well that explains everything. next subject?

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:10 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Who is Rod Parsley and what's more - who cares?
    There are kooks everywhere that lay claim to the same creed that rational people do.
    A perfect example is Al Sharpton and his cronies.
    These morons may get media time - but don't make the mistake of believing that these self-proclaimed leaders are actually leading anyone.
    They're only an embarassment to those they purport to represent.

    As for the root of Mr. Parsley's problem? Bad theology. Another dominionist rears his ugly head and vies to play the pied piper to those who would be deceived.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:37 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    If you've actually read the koran, researched the history of islam, and even absorbed the daily suicide massacres reported. Then perhaps you would also be as concerned about the evil and inhumane religion of Islam as Parsley. It is easy to remain oblivious about Islam's true nature which hides in, and behind a so called "moderate majority" which in reality strongly sympathises with and moderatly enables islam's militants to destroy culture after culture, village after villiage, without Islam's priciples ever being blames or held in account. Watch as Europe fades away under the very sharia law that they themselves ignorantly invited. And watch people like marty do nothing about it.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    John 14:6

    You forget though, Jesus said, "Those who live by the sword, will die by the sword" I do not know if Jesus advocated "pacifism" however it is clear that He is against using violence to protect or spread the faith. If we are called to follow Christ completely, then it should be obvious that Christ never attacked a single person in defense of Himself or the Faith. Though He did drive the merchants out of the Temple.

    SweetBeloved,

    Agreed, however Parsley did not make this clear. He should have made it clear, lest some weak in faith should be confused and strap a bomb to themselves in an attempt to destroy the "evil infidels" of Islam. I am 100% against Islam (believing it an evil perversion), and I desire that all of Islam should perish, but I am concerned about the lives and souls of Muslims.

    msnchris,

    I agree with everything you wrote, with one question, and a remark.

    Question: In following the 10 commandments do you mean observing the Sabbath? Because most Christians don't. Sunday is not the Sabbath, it is the Lord's Day.

    Remark: "Stop Contracepting in your marriages and be fruitful, so we can outnumber them through family discipleship." Interesting... and a good point. Muslims will soon overcome Europe because they have lots of babies and Christians don't.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    msnchris 70,
    Excellent plan. I affirm your witness. Keep up the good work. The most powerful force in the universe is love and prayer. I really believe that as Christians we need to start looking at the solutions to problems from God's perspective rather than our own. I remember a time in my own life that I thought all Christians were fools. As I look back now I can see how terribly deceived and confused I was. It was through the power of God's love and people that I did not even know who loved me and prayed for me that led me to the truth found only in Jesus Christ that led to my conversion. Thanks for posts I appreciate them.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:03 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Rod Parsley really makes me laugh. I thought we all wanted our Christian leaders to be Holy? Now, all we get is a bunch of egomaniacle motivational speakers who are richer than any Pope every was.

    All Christians of Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant background must not attack or hurt any Muslim. We must be a window to Christ with our love. If we must defend ourselves that is one thing, but enough with this pre-emptive garbage.

    Here is a ten point plan to defeat Islam with the Joy of Christ:
    1. If we are a Christian, then start acting like it which means living the Beatitudes and seek the Virtuous and Holy life.
    2. Follow the 10 Commandments. (These are commandments not the 10 suggestions)
    3. Pray for their conversion.
    4. Pray for our conversion daily so that we are totally sold out for Christ.
    5. Be Obediant to your Church leaders.
    6. Stop Contracepting in your marriages and be fruitful, so we can outnumber them through family discipleship.
    7. TITHE and Fast
    8. Never miss Church and read the Bible EVERYDAY and Memorize it!
    9. Seek UNITY in the entire Christian Church, so they will know that Jesus truly came by our unified witness.
    10. Make disciples of all men by Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

    This will Crush Islam without slaying a person, and instead saving a soul.

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:22 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Thank you for another interesting article Mr. Marty. God bless and keep you, dear Sir.
    I believe the same question should be given to the other side.

    What is the meaning of the worldwide caliphate and the large sword with green background?
    Does it also include genocide of anybody refusing to convert to Islam?
    The answer is a definite YES, and it is supported by verses in their Quran, Hadith and Sunnah.

    And how would we Christian respond to that. With love and compassion the way Jesus told us.
    We Christian in Indonesia are not pacifist, we fight our crusade but not in the way you might think. See that 9% is growing and we are converting Muslims to Christianity

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dear Martin Marty,

    I am sad you had to sink to this!

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:08 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    I cannot believe what I am seeing here! Hatred and condemnation and namecalling from Christians against a Christian man who is fighting for your freedoms! If any of you have dared bother to actually spend the time to see what Rod Parsley is talking about you would not be so eager to to flare out those ravenous claws!

    Can you not see he is talking about spiritual warfare and political warfare??? Have any of you taken genuine time to go through his website, books, shows and get to know the man and what he is talking about before you throw those big oversized stones of yours??? Can you only think on physical terms??? Where is your spiritual discernment???

    Spiritual warfare: do battle against this evil and pray like you have never prayed before; put on the full armour of GOD and wield the sword of the HOLY SPIRIT! Do battle for this nation individually and as a corporate body of CHRIST and other oppressed nations of this GOD-given earth!!! It's mission time people!!!

    Political warfare: get involved and make the Christian voice heard in this nation and others!!! Get informed about world political matters and write letters to your congressman/women, vote, take action, etc, etc...!!!!!

    This is the heart of what Rod Parsley is saying, NOT physical genocide, come on people!!! It is genocide against the spirit of antichrist that is trying to take over the world predominantly by Islamists!!! Time for the Body of CHRIST to arise and sound the trumpet!!! Nothing will be accomplished if we just sit around waiting for someone else to do all the work!!! GET INVOLVED!!!

    Matthew 7:2-4

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    quote:

    I am stunned by what Parsley says here. I am equally stunned by those here who try and justify in any way his comments. The Jesus I serve and the Jesus Parsley serves are very different.

    end quote

    Yes mcfbc, i agree with you.

    Jesus rebuked the disciples for wanting to destroy people:

    And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. Luke 9:52-56

    According to Parsley’s example, Paul should have arrived at Mars Hill ( Acts 17) and slaughtered the entire group of ‘pagans’ instead of reasoning with them, and ultimately presenting them with the truth of the Gospel.

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:14 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Most of the Christians here forget Paul's admonition that the "power of the sword" is given to the State for the purpose of implementing God's will and justice. So if the United States has been given the power of the sword to stand up to global radical Islam, then that is perfectly in keeping with Biblical doctrine, in both the Old and New Testament. Jesus was NOT a pacifist. Too many Christians misinterpret Jesus' "turn the other cheek" comment, and Paul's "do not resist an evil man" into some kind of pacifist doctrine. Look to St. Augustine's doctrine of "just war" if you want to find a Christian justification for standing up to a world evil like Islam.

    Islam is bent on world domination and the global world powers are going to be forced to confront it head on, or it will destroy the West. There is no other option, because Islam doesn't allow for any other option. There is Dar al Islam (the "House of Islam") and there is Dar al Haarb (the "House of War") in Islam. This means that any place that isn't under Islam is considered a place of warfare - Muslims against the "kuffar" (unbelievers, though actually this term is a perjorative on par with the "N" word).

    Islam commands its followers to fight to establish Islam as the religion of the world (hmmm, doesn't the New Testament talk about a global, world religion somewhere?...). If we as free societies don't confront Islam, then it will take over, and the world will descend into 1000 years of darkness, a dark age that we might never escape from. That is NOT what I believe would be the will, for the world, of the Jesus or God that I know, serve and trust

  • JC »
    Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:33 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    From the Quran:

    [an-Nisa' 4:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

    From the Bible:

    1st John 2:22 & 23: Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist — he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    Any questions?

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I am stunned by what Parsley says here. I am equally stunned by those here who try and justify in any way his comments. The Jesus I serve and the Jesus Parsley serves are very different.

  • JHS »
    Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    These evangelical leaders like John Hagee and Parsley have no trouble calling for war, funny thing is you don't see them going over to fight or their kids' signing up for the Army, the biggest problem is the tax exempt over indulged ministries that are all for war, just don't ask them to raise their taxes to pay for it, or send THEIR kids to fight. These guys are a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:55 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Chris 333,
    Yes one must distinguish between Islam and Muslims. But Muslims immigrating to the West are the ones bringing with them their Islamic teachings, intolerance, violence and hidden disdain toward everything the West, and its Judeo-Christian culture. Do not underestimate Muslims and their strict adherence to their tenet of Jihad which in practical terms means world domination. The Post Christian, neo-pagan West has lost its moral compass, for all practical purposes. Except for a few Christian 'prophets' here and there, it is on its way to succumb to the onslaught of Islam, which is always radical. The Middle East used to be Christian before the invading Islamic armies in the seventh century. We are now a continuously shrinking minority.

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:55 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    abughattas,

    I fully agree with you, Islam is hateful, and the Quran is evil. I am sorry for what you are going through, and you are right that if the west cared about itself and others, then it would act immediately to stop Islam. However, we must distinguish between Islam and Muslims.

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:50 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Although hatered is not a christian virtue, it is certainly a Muslim command. Christ commands us to love our enemies, Mohammad asked his followers to hate and kill their enemies and the enemiees of God. People like me, Chritian, born , raised and living in the Middle East, can sympathise with Rod Parsley's wake up call to the West. Maybe his methods may be extreme, but is it not time for the West to wake up and take the threat of Islam seriously? The crusaders who invades, destroyed and killed never had a mandate from the One who went to the cross, but Islamic "invaders" of the West are encouraged by the Quran to conquer the world- preferably by force!

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:05 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    winter,

    you said, "These Islamophobic people are more evil than Muslim terrorism themselves. Unlike the Muslim terrorist, who have no power, these people have power. "

    You don't mean they are more evil, you mean they are more dangerous. They are equally evil, as they both call for the extermination of an entire population, and if they had a button that could automatically do it, then both sides would. However, it should be noted that terrorist attacks against Muslims, even by the mentioned person in this article, are near non-existent, and terrorist attacks from Muslims to Christians are a daily occurence. Thus it is best to say, that these Islamophobes have a higher "potentiality" for destruction, yet in reality are less dangerous than Muslim terrorists, but they are equally evil. Just a minor correction to your point, I am sure that is what you meant to say though (correct me if I am wrong).

    That being said, Parsley is not a Christian, Christianity does not allow violence for matters of faith. Parsley would be a good atheist though.

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Hey Parsley,
    You condemn and criticize Islamists for promoting violence because of their religion. Are you not doing the same thing now. I have lost what little respect I had for you. Hypocrite.
    The apostle Paul addressed people like you Parsley in Romans 2:18-23
    18and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law,
    19and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
    20a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth,
    21you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal?
    22You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
    23You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God?

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:33 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    John Hagee and Rod Parsley: twiddle dee and twiddle dum in the so- called "Christian" warmongering 'movement'.

    I agree with you winter32842...they are extremely dangerous for they have the ear of many in Washington.

    I don't know what god they are serving but its not Jesus Christ.

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:46 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    These Islamophobic people are more evil than Muslim terrorism themselves. Unlike the Muslim terrorist, who have no power, these people have power.

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