The evolutionist is locked into an intellectual box from which there is no rescue. Evolutionary theory is naturalistic by necessity - everything must be explained in purely naturalistic terms. Only nature can explain nature, and there is no other source of meaning or truth. Thus, in the end the theory of evolution - and the theory of evolution alone - must explain everything about humanity.
This predicament was made clear in a lecture recently given by geneticist Steve Jones at University College London. Speaking on his chosen topic, "Evolution is Over," Jones argued that human evolution has reached an end because of changes in human health and human behavior.
This argument stands in stark contrast to those offered by other evolutionists, who now call on humanity to use modern reproductive technologies and techniques designed to enhance the species. Some go so far as to argue that humans must employ these technologies and direct evolution in order to save the species from itself.
Jones, known for his 2002 book, Y: The Descent of Men. In that book, Jones argued that males were something of a temporary necessity for the evolutionary process. He minimized the role of the male to that of providing male gametes. The male exists to "fecundate" his partner. That's it. Everything else can be done by females, who are going to live longer anyway.
Now, Jones argues that human evolution is at a standstill because one of the crucial engines of evolutionary change, genetic mutation, is stalled. Jones explained that evolution moves forward by natural selection, mutation, and random change. Mutation is stalled, at least in part, because fewer older men are having babies.
As The Times [London] explains:
This is because cell divisions in males increase with age. “Every time there is a cell division, there is a chance of a mistake, a mutation, an error,” he said. “For a 29-year old father [the mean age of reproduction in the West] there are around 300 divisions between the sperm that made him and the one he passes on – each one with an opportunity to make mistakes.
“For a 50-year-old father, the figure is well over a thousand. A drop in the number of older fathers will thus have a major effect on the rate of mutation.”
Professor Jones added: “In the old days, you would find one powerful man having hundreds of children.” He cites the fecund Moulay Ismail of Morocco, who died in the 18th century, and is reputed to have fathered 888 children.
Jones went on to argue that better health and rates of infant survival have also removed some engines of mutation. Add to that the fact that human populations are now so diverse, with marriage patterns commonly crossing ethnic and racial lines. As Jones explained, "“Small populations which are isolated can evolve at random as genes are accidentally lost. World-wide, all populations are becoming connected and the opportunity for random change is dwindling. History is made in bed, but nowadays the beds are getting closer together. We are mixing into a global mass, and the future is brown.”
Steve Jones offered a public lecture at University College London, but he also offers a larger lesson on the inherent limitations of the evolutionary worldview. Darwinism has to explain everything - even why some people accept evolutionary theory and others do not.
Evolutionary theory cannot possibly explain the totality of human experience, much less the reality of human origins. Evolutionists - if consistent - believe that every human experience, every emotion, every physical attribute, every hope, and every fear is simply a feature developed by means of natural selection.
That's a cold theory, and it just doesn't make sense to the vast majority of Americans - and it shouldn't. The Christian worldview offers a far more satisfying, true, and understandable account of human origins and human existence.
In any event, human evolution is now over. You heard it from Steve Jones.
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R. Albert Mohler, Jr. is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. For more articles and resources by Dr. Mohler, and for information on The Albert Mohler Program, a daily national radio program broadcast on the Salem Radio Network, go to www.albertmohler.com. For information on The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, go to www.sbts.edu. Send feedback to mail@albertmohler.com. Original Source: www.albertmohler.com.
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Another addition to that is that there could not have been as many variations of species. An example is the dog. We know there are at least a hundred different types of dogs and they have been cross bred and cross bred to get there. Well, in that time, there may have been less than 10 and possibly even 1 or 2 variations of a certain animal. Therefore, again it is plausible that each species that God created were represented on this boat. As the the feces of these animals, there could have very well been a section that was used and discarded overboard. As for food, they could have taken the minimal needed to survive. It is very plausible that the story of the ark is indeed true.
agentorangex,
First of all, the ark Noah built was no small boat. If you take the measurements from the Bible, then this was quite a large boat, bigger than most cruise liners and such today and we know that thousands of people can have fun on one of those and not be too crowded.
With the animal kingdom, you have to remember that only 2 of each unclean species came aboard with 7 of every clean. And nowhere does it say that these animals were full grown, so it is possible that many, if not all were smaller than normal. Even the dinosaurs, at a very young age, were small.
agentorange
Did you visit the website
www.worldwideflood.com
and spend anythime there?
agentorange
I do not have the answers to your questions about the number of animals on Noah's Ark, how the food was stored, how the animal and human waste was disposed of, and etc..
However, I know the God who wrote the Word of God. Jesus said in John 17:17 that the Word of God is truth. I accept that by faith. God's Word says that God had Noah build an Ark of certain dimensions and that God caused the animals to go on the boat when the time came for them to do so. I accept all this by faith.
God gave us clues in how He created the heavens and the earth in the Word of God. I accept this by faith.
The Word of God does not allow for macro-evolution. God says in His Word that He created each kind of plant life, fish, birds, land animals, and human life after its own kind. Each creation was unique. I accept this by faith.
You accept evolution by faith as well. Abiogensisists have no clue on how life came to be. They cannot describe how the inanimate became animate. Abiogeneists nor evolutionists have any evidence/proof that life started out as a single cell organism. Evolutionists cannot explain the process of how this single cell orgainsm, for which you have no proof or evidence that life started out that way, changed over time to become plant life, fish, birds, reptiles, animals, and then people. Those of your persuation only accept by faith that it was so.
You have no laborartory proof of any of the claims of the abiogensists or evolutionists. Scientists have yet to create life from chemicals that have no life let alone taking that life and showing how it changed to create all the other forms of life. Until you can do that you have nothing more than fanciful ideas about it all and it takes more faith to believe in your ideas than it takes to believe that a supreme being who has infinite knowledge, wisdom, and understanding can create the heavens and the earth and all the forms of life that He created.
Don't require of me what you yourself cannot not do.
star,
"When you can describe how the inanimate became animate then I'll tell you how God created life."
Star, we weren't talking about how God created life, remember? We are on a topic related to species and how on earth they all fit on the Ark, please have the backbone to explain. One topic at a time, explain the issues with 6+ million species fitting on such a small boat and quit the subterfuge and goal post moving.
I do not appreciate this star, this is most disingenuous and disrepectful on your part, although give our past conversations I can't say I am entirely suprised.
I ask of you a very simple and straight forward set of questions dealing with the number and volume of species and their waste and rather than retorting in kind you don't even make a single attempt to answer it straight forth. After numerous attempts no less.
Where is your sense of tact? Why should I even bother replying to your question if you will not due me the respect of honestly replying to mine? Tit for tat star.
agentorange
When you can describe how the inanimate became animate then I'll tell you how God created life.
star2,
Thanks for the reply Star.
"God's ways in how He created the heaven and the earth are past finding out. You can never know how He did it."
Talk about your all time nonstarter answers. Star, if we can't logically ever know how, how exactly does one claim with any certitude who did it in the first place? 'Logical fallacy' sound familiar?
"Even if He told you how He did it your mind is too finite to comprehend it."
Well I guess than He should have built the human mind capable of understanding it now shouldn't He? That would after all help to shed some light on the issue of if he did it in the first place and how it was done. Appealing ot ignorance isn't an answer.
"Noah was 500 yrs old when God..."
That's nice and all star, but it doesn't matter if he was 100, 500 or 900, the issues related to housing 6 million species (by conservative estimates) and 2 of each) on such a relatively small boat is absurd. You knew you couldn't even begin to explain how on earth Noah managed to do it, so you avoided it all together.
"Genesis - 300 x 50 x 30 cubits."
So? Star, I was attempting some satire there with the comment part. Again, with such a relatively small boat it's impossible to cram the 6 million species (and 2 of each) on it and to house ALL their food, water, and to dispose of all the waste daily by a group of 8 people is absurdly impossible.
agentorange
The Word of God says
Romans 11:33 - "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
God's ways in how He created the heaven and the earth are past finding out. You can never know how He did it. Even if He told you how He did it your mind is too finite to comprehend it.
Noah was 500 yrs old when God told him to build the ark and God told him how to build it. It took Noah 100 yrs to build it. So he was 600 yrs old when God brought judgment on the earth through a world-wide flood because of the sin of man not 900 yrs old.
Noah's Ark was not a rickety boat. It was a very stable and sturdy boat.
This following quote was taken from www.worldwideflood.com. I highly recommend you reveiw the contents of this website.
"In 1993, research was carried out by naval architects and structural engineers at the world class KRISO ship research facility in Korea, testing the proportions described in Genesis - 300 x 50 x 30 cubits. They concluded that the proportions were near optimal and that the scale was feasible in waves up to 30m."
Star,
"kind = species"
Yes, thank you, but we already established this based on your interpretation and exhaustive of the KJV bible. Now for the hard part of that conclusion, please explain the species related questions in regard to how on earth 900 year old noah crammed them all (some 6 million by conservative estimates and 2 of each) on such a small boat, and their food and water for nearly a year, and deposing of their waste by 8 people, etc. Maintaining a Zoo is hard work, but you're saying 8 people on a small rickety boat managed to house, feed and clean the some 6 million species for a year? Absurd.
"No macro-evolution was at play in the creative process.'
If that is true, why do we find in taxonomy that members of the same genus, order and family are more similar than with respect to other organisms in other phylum? This shouldn't be if they don't share common descent. Why is there a natural nested hierarchy in division of organisms at all?
"God created the genetics of each species such that mutations within that species can/will mutate over time. This is what man calls micro-evolution."
Mutations do occur, but their location in the genomes of the species is entirely random. So, one must ask, if species aren't at all related (say 2 species of birds), then why do we find they share many of the same random pseudo genes, (one being the relic trait for teeth development)? Why would God encode them with the genes needed to develop teeth, but that the gene is now atavistic?
Another pseudo gene is the one related to vitamin C synthesis and how we, and all extant apes have the same defunct one, Why should this be?
Then why do we find the same genes across many different species? Why can some genes be substituted for interchangeably with entirely different species (rats, mice, humans and yeast) with no different affect to the organism?
If they're not related, why again the same genes (PAX-6) which spans across many organisms from very diverse phylum? Why the evidence of retro-insertion by archaic viruses (ERV's) which are inactive and yet the insertion sites are identical across many different species? Why the obvious signs of relatedness via SINES, LINES, Pseudo -genes and transposons? Why evidence like Cytocrome C?
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.0030166
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytochrome_c
agentorangex
kind = species
When God created life (humans, animals, reptiles, insects, fish, birds, plants) they were created individually. No macro-evolution was at play in the creative process.
God created the genetics of each species such that mutations within that species can/will mutate over time. This is what man calls micro-evolution.
Star2,
"You can never know how God created anything because His ways are past finding out."
I am sorry Star, but this statement is essentially an appeal to ignorance., it explains nothing. How can you affirm such certitude in knowledge that God did it (and hypothetically sure it's possible, but details/evidence matter for deducing), if there are no details for it?
It basically amounts to an empty assertion, as with no details it's impossible to objectively determine if this was the actual method(s) used and how if at all one could demonstrate to support or refute them.
Think critically on that one...
No details = impossible to support or refute based on empirical evidence. So why accept it?
An analogy for this would be finding presents in your house as a child, and they upon asking your parents on the details for how they got there they would appeal to ignorance in the same way you did. 'We can never know how santa did it!' Now, most parents will explain the fantasy details on the character and how the presents magically appear overnight, but even a child can sense that this story isn't logically grounded and not supported by any evidence.
Star, with all due respect, you will say over and over and over endlessly that God can only do things with respect life in a certain manner (it can't evolve) and with such certitude on your part, but then, when it comes to explaining the details for something for which you adhere to and claim 'God spoke and made this...' you can't offer up any details to support your position. The bible says the God made the Earth to bring forth life, doesn't this at least suggest that God created the foundation of earth and let life develop diversity on its own?
Still, I think you should try to explain the questions I posed with regards to species and how on earth noah cared for them all. Take care.
agentorangex
<<<<< "1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
How, by what processes and mechanisms? Details please details on how it was done. saying god did it, explains WHO did it, but not HOW.>>>>>
You can never know how God created anything because His ways are past finding out.
Romans 11:33 - "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
star2, Your posts concerning creation are good material for church Sunday school, but not for much else.
Is that a threat or a promise?
Your a silly man agentorangex, you talk about things you know nothing about. But for us believers we understand God. He is revealed in his Son Jesus.
I wipe the dust off my feet. I will go somewhere else.