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Sexuality Expert: Uganda Anti-Gay Seminar Takes Wrong Approach

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

A sexuality counseling expert is finding fault with a recent Uganda conference on homosexuality where church leaders and some of the guest speakers supported the criminalization of homosexuality and enforced therapy for gays.

Uganda-based Family Life Network hosted a conference on March 5-8 in Kampala that called parents and the community to oppose the homosexual agenda. It featured guest speakers, including a few from the United States, who offered insight on the causes of and treatment for homosexuality.

Among the American guests was Dr. Scott Lively, president of Defend the Family International, who reportedly said he supports the government of Uganda criminalizing homosexuality, but that subjecting homosexuals to therapy is better than imprisoning them, according to UGPulse.

Lively reportedly said the main goal was to help homosexuals recover and not to punish them.

But Dr. Warren Throckmorton, associate professor of Psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania, finds it troubling that the American Christian leaders spoke at a conference that supports the criminalization of homosexuality and that none of them had reportedly publicly opposed the law. He noted that the people in charge of the conference called for stricter enforcement of laws against homosexuality.

“It is illegal to be homosexual in Uganda. There’s also a category of homosexuality (act) that has a potential for life imprisonment,” said Throckmorton to The Christian Post on Wednesday. “How often it is enforced is not clear.”

But news reports have communicated that homosexuals have been interrogated by police, beaten, and some have sought asylum outside the country, he said.

“So it is a very difficult place for those who are same-sex attracted to be open about it,” the sexuality researcher said.

Meanwhile, the American representatives from prominent U.S.-based ex-gay ministries, such as Exodus International and the International Healing Foundation, work in an environment where people can be open about their sexuality, Throckmorton pointed out.

“I think it’s inappropriate to try to transplant American concepts of ex-gay ministry into an environment where you can’t even go in and open yourself up to that kind of disclosure without some kind of risk,” he said.

In response, Exodus International said it applauds its board member Don Schmierer, who attended the Uganda conference, for his effort to convey an “alternative message that encompasses a compassionate, biblical view of homosexuality,” according to a statement by Exodus International president Alan Chambers to The Christian Post on Wednesday.

Exodus says neither Schmierer nor the ministry agrees or endorses Uganda’s criminalization of homosexuality law, imprisonment of homosexuals or compulsory therapy. Rather, the ministry says it “unequivocally denounces” the positions the government of Uganda has towards homosexuality.

As for Throckmorton, he also condemns the government of Uganda’s criminalization of homosexuality. He argues that people “cannot be forced to believe” and the state should not use “coercive power” to try to “generate obedience to the Gospel.”

Throckmorton, who holds the traditional Christian view that homosexuality is a sin, urges local churches in Uganda to lead the way in “implementing the Golden Rule” and to support freedom of conscience.

“I suspect they (Uganda churches) believe they are doing a good thing, but you can't really win someone over who fears and resents you,” he said.

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  • Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Delight: There is no reason to throw insults around."

    What insults, GG? You were the one who said the "divine" is in everything. I pointed out it must be the same "divine" in Hitler and you take offense...but you haven't shown me IF the 'divine' is in everything how is it different in the likes of Attilla the Hun, Stalin or Hitler. So, what exactly is the NATURE of this "divine"?

    You know what is insulting? Your dissmissal of God's Word over your acceptance of dubious "lost" books where you gather your esoteric teachings without knowledge of the true God. This is an insult to the Divine Lord Jesus, Who gave His life for you....but it wasn't enough for you; you wanted special knowledge and a divine all your own.

  • Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    forsaltnlight: I appreciate your beliefs Forsaltnlight. I just disagree. With that said, saying something is not flawless does not mean to imply it is worthless. There is much value in the writings of our past, again, things need to be taken in context. I direct you to my previous posts, do you eat meat on fridays? Do the women in your life cut thier hair or wear pants, or speak in church?? There are just things even today's christian does not follow.

  • Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Delight: There is no reason to throw insults around. I wish you the very best in your journey, and I sincerely wish you all the blessings you are deserving of.

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:14 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 4

    Aaron, glad to know you're a fan of my work. You will know, then that each and every text you claim people gave explicit and implicit biblical proof (not sure what you mean by proof...) were refuted in a sound way by me. Each and every verse on homosexuality requires interpretation as there is nothing that states explicitly (unless we want to pull in Lev. but then again, we'd face the slippery slope of the "all or nothing" argument. You can't say that verse of Lev. holds up, but we're not going to follow the ones about stoning adulterous women or wearing certain types of clothing anymore.)

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:29 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    "I appreciate that you are trying to engage me in what you might consider to be strong polemic on your interpretation of the Bible, but I've seen your arguments throughout the CP and I don't think it would be God honoring to do so. Many of the brethren here on the CP have given you implicit and explicit Biblical proof that homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes, through their (mostly) sound exegesis of the texts. The scripture about casting one's pearls before swine comes to mind, as does the first Psalm. Mike, repent from this false teaching or you will face the wrath of God."

    I have all my life been confronted by those who misinterpret the Bible for their own ends. It happened a great deal when I was growing up in the south toward integration, and mixed race marriage. I've see the Bible misinterpreted in any number of other instances. A few and it really is ONLY few verses even hint at what could be considered same sex relations do not in any way condemn homosexuality. That is just more misinterpretation of the Bible to support human prejudice against a group of people. The fact is, I've seen NOTHING of substance ever posted on any of these boards by anyone showing God's condemnation of same sex marriage. To the contrary, Christ's message throughout the New Testament is one of love and acceptance of everyone. When you misuse the Bible as so many have done to condemn a group of people, it is probably one of the worst sins I can think of. Many, many people have suffered at the hands of those who have "explicit" proof of their point when in the end they don't. You can believe anything you like, it matters not to me, however, when you use the Bible to harm others, to cause others to feel they have no self worth because of who they are, that I will stand against. The attitude of constant ranting against homosexuality is neither productive nor Christian. Certainly I can say, as you do "The scripture about casting one's pearls before swine comes to mind,". Secondly, your unfounded judgment about me proves conclusively that you have no interest in Christianity, but simply in judging those you don't even know.

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:38 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

    Mike,

    I appreciate that you are trying to engage me in what you might consider to be strong polemic on your interpretation of the Bible, but I've seen your arguments throughout the CP and I don't think it would be God honoring to do so. Many of the brethren here on the CP have given you implicit and explicit Biblical proof that homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes, through their (mostly) sound exegesis of the texts. The scripture about casting one's pearls before swine comes to mind, as does the first Psalm. Mike, repent from this false teaching or you will face the wrath of God.
    (2 Peter 2:9-22)

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:42 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "Mike: Assuming that was directed at me - I don't have gay brethren."

    I think that says everything one needs to know.

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:42 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    "A homosexual is no less within the sphere of God's love than an adulterer or a murderer or a coveter; there must be repentance though."

    Comparing a homosexual to a murderer is simply a lie. Murder is a sin which is pointed out very clearly in the Bible. Homosexuality is NOT a sin and never call such in the Bible.

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:22 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

    Actually, thanks to something my wife pointed out this morning, I should clarify this. I do not have 'gay brethren' in the sense that any of my brothers in Christ are actively and unrepentantly involved in a homosexual lifestyle. However, I do have brethren who struggle with homosexual urges, or perhaps have fallen back, physically and sensually, into that sin, and WILL, by God's mercy and grace, find their way back into the light. It is a sin like all others, albeit an abomination before God, but nothing is outside His mercy which endureth forever. A homosexual is no less within the sphere of God's love than an adulterer or a murderer or a coveter; there must be repentance though.

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    Mike: Assuming that was directed at me - I don't have gay brethren. That, and, your comment doesn't make sense. Rebuking sin doesn't negate love, nor does it equate to idiocy. (1 Tim. 5:20; Ecc. 7:5).

    In Christ,

    good night.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:43 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    You cannot use language such as you just did and say you love your gay brethren. Let's talk about idiocy!

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:14 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 6

    Idiocy. Pure, unadulterated idiocy. I'm a friend of sinners, but let's not be afraid to call a spade a spade. You people have NOTHING to stand on, except the hopes burrowed in their imaginations and the self-righteousness of man. We have the holy hill of the Saviour, who factually, historically, unquestionably arose from the dead. We have the preserved Word of God that, despite all attempts of the Enemy to have it torn asunder, is still standing mightily like a tower-shield in the hands of the saints who make up the true Bride of Christ. The outcry of "gnostics" and the like is absolutely unoriginal (yea, hath God said?), tedious, weak and as intelligent as dung. Every one of you will meet Jesus Christ one day, and it will be on your knees that you do so. I pray you will be on the right side of the line. I love you, but I hate your blasphemy. I would love to count you as brethren one day.

    God bless you saint! (Jude 3)

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    Yeah, I get it, "gnostic" and you can twist Scripture any which way you want to support any new age teaching you like best. That's the fun of living in a pluralistic and secularized society.

    "Gnostics" and New Agers do not honor nor submit themselves to the True and Living God of the Bible.

    Jesus Christ IS the only way to the Father, until you can accept that you are among the lost...no matter what other name you want to call it.

    So, will that be an eternal space next to Hitler, Nero or Attilla? The "god" in them is as good as the "god-in-you".

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:33 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Actually Delight - it is scripture, just not one you espouse to. It is Gnostic Scripture. Also, I believe the Divine is in all things. And Romans 11:33-36; Psalm 139:1-16; Psalm 50:9-12; are just a few supportive scripture.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Untaught:

    God is separate from His creation, not "IN" His creation.

    Chew on that awhile.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Untaught:

    Why is it unbelievers and scoffers and estoteric "truth" seekers ALWAYS bring up the Levitical Law?

    You know "gnostic" that has been asked and answered on this forum more than a hundred times.

    If you knew God at all, you would understand that the Jews must be separated from their culture unto God the same way the Church must needs to be Sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Are you kidding....it says God is in everything. God is in everyone.

    How can God be in everyone and not require new birth?

    This is a new age translation from quotation of Thomas from which he espoused this thought.

    It IS not Scripture.

    Truth cannot be found "under a rock" but is instead, a precious Pearl.

    "who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it"

    (Matt 13:46)

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Actually Delight - the quote from Thomas does not mean anyone goes to heaven. And as far as orientation goes - one must look at the bible in the contextual meaning of when it was written versus what is going on today. Do you eat shell fish? Do people have sex while a woman is on her monthly time? Do adulterers get stoned to death? Do women where pants and cut their hair? There has been so much distortion of the biblical text - and I do not trust it in its many translations. (See previous comments). Also, much of the bible is ok with prostitution for married men... but it is not so today. (see OT). So does that mean we should allow married men to be with prostitutes? There is more to find... but nevertheless I applaud you for your beliefs. I just do not agree with you nor do I find the bible flawless.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    "In the end, I believe more in what the apostle/philosopher Thomas quoted Jesus as saying "The kingdom of God is within you and without you...split a piece of wood I am there, lift a stone and you will find me". A great riddle more telling of where to find truth."

    Gee, I wonder WHY this didn't end up in the Bible!

    Everyone gets to go to Heaven. Oh, goody what FUN!

    Perhaps you'd like to bunk with Stalin, Hitler and Attilla the Hun?

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "do not refer to homosexual orientation as we currently understand it"

    The beat goes on from the "untaught" and the "unstable".

    It doesn't matter how we think an "orientation" happened, the Word of God is Eternal.

    Just because sinful people try to justify their sin by creating new meanings to words and come up ith "new" ideas, does not negate the clear intent of the Word of God.

    Besides, you mentioned "original sin", I think that would cover the meaning of "orientation".

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "Since there was no such word in the original language that translates to the term homosexual"
    ----------------

    Word pictures are SO much better than words...check out this word picture;

    "Likewise also the men, leaving the natural
    use of the woman,
    burned in their lust for one another,
    men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves
    the penalty of their error which was due."
    (Romans 1:27)

    Doesn't require the word 'homosexual' but the Bible clearly shows homosexuals acts to be unacceptable. The incredibly wicked person reads that any other way than how it is written.

    But amazingly they try to read it differently but the Bible even has you covered there:

    "....in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
    (2Peter 3:16b)

    Let's repeat that..."which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures...."
    -----------------------------
    Here's another "gem" from the untaught and the unstable here:

    " the brand of Christianity you follows condones the disparaging of others and their beliefs? Interesting, I've never seen ANY Christian denomination that supports that."

    Wonders of wonders; the Bible DOES support it:

    "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:6-9).

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sorry, not Romans - Matthew. I was typing ahead of myself on a thought. The Matthew story is about a Roman Solider... the story is not in Romans. :) Again, sorry about that.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I replied and the reply looks like it did not make it. So here it is again in a nut shell -

    Jesus doesn't mention a thing about homosexuality, the OT prophets do not either, and the handful of verses that do refer or appear to refer to homosexual behavior do not refer to homosexual orientation as we currently understand it in 2009.

    Original Sin was perpetrated by disobedience. This myth or story has been used for hundreds of years to relegate the feminine to next to nothing and has itself perpetrated the demise and discrimination of women by many. It is very sad.

    I would suggest you look up the verses I already mentioned AND really research them. In particular, the use of the word 'Pias' in Romans.

    In the end, I believe more in what the apostle/philosopher Thomas quoted Jesus as saying "The kingdom of God is within you and without you...split a piece of wood I am there, lift a stone and you will find me". A great riddle more telling of where to find truth.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:45 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

    Since there was no such word in the original language that translates to the term homosexual, we know that the text above was taken from an apostate and blasphemous version mocking the scripture.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:42 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "I believe you. you have a different bible that teaches doctrines of demons and a different god, and a different spirit."

    And so the brand of "Christianity" you follows condones the disparaging of others and their beliefs? Interesting, I've never seen ANY Christian denomination that supports that.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Added to previous comment: However, I do want to state that I do not think the good that can come from translation is rendered moot by some of the discrepancies. I just think people need to be aware. Faith is good. People find strength in Christianity, and that is good. If we understand context, meaning, and translation then I believe we may be better able to understand the messages conveyed as they relate to today.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:21 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Here is the problem I have with many people saying 'the bible says this' and 'the bible says that'. Many of the bible's words are not translated correctly or taken out of context, here are two small examples: the word 'witch' in Exodus 22:18 (original word is m'khashephah) and 'servant' in Matthew 8:5-13 (original word is 'pias'). Then there is the issue of added text in later translations. Two examples of added words are: Matthew 6:13 and Revelation 1:11.

  • Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:36 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Nope, actually its a Christian Bible, and your continued attempts to put me down are growing quite old.

  • Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "homosexual offenders" isn't in my Bible. In fact, it was added in by someone who interpreted the Bible that way and claimed God told them so. Guess what? God told me differently!

  • Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:50 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "FORSALTANDLIGHT , thanks for the wonderful insight, and admonition. God's people are concerned with the soul's eternal destiny. IT is GOD's grace working to reach out to people who in HIS appointed time would read this -GOOD NEWS-."

    Yikes, the blind leading the blind.

  • Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:44 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    A few things Forsalt...

    1. Oral sex has origins with gays? How ever would you prove that assertion?

    2. Gays are born that way. Being gay is not sinful, like the murderers you so kindly compared us to.

    3. You told me to do 5 things. Guess what? I've done all of those before. Do not tell me I must not have done them right or hard enough, you were not there. Your answers fall short, and its not my fault and its not because the devil has power over me, its because YOU are wrong about the idea that all gays should change or are meant to change.

  • Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:20 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Forsalt, I'm going to address one of your points and wish you would do the same. Its very hard to answer you when you post an encyclopedia. Being gay does not make you more likely to contract HIV. That is misusing the statistics. If you are gay AND PROMISCUOUS then you are more likely to contract HIV than someone who is straight and promiscuous. Not all gays are promiscuous, and therefore, AIDS is not some plague that was sent because gays sinned. Your logic does not add up or make sense.

  • Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:00 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    You're attempting to use words like immature and adult in ways that aren't truthful. Its not immature to have a different view on the Bible. It is immature to try and start a fight over who believes in what god when its very clear we both know the same God but have very different beliefs about what the Bible says about him.

  • Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:34 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I'm not going to engage in a your god MY GOD argument, that would be stupid and elementary. If you want to have an adult conversation, let me know.

  • Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    With all the squawking you do, you're pretty pathetic Christians trying to gossip about me (which I'm sure you'll try to dodge, but its exactly what you're doing.)

    Fors, to ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I completely believe those verses to be true, however, the Bible was written in a time when gay marriage would not have made any more sense than writing about the internet. Rather than speak about it, God left the slate blank. There was absolutely no mention, good or bad, about gay marriage.

    Jehovah, yes, I was talking to you. You found something from conservapedia, then didn't elaborate when I asked you to, and told me to go find the answers myself. That basically means you weren't able to find the answers you wanted, and so you made something up (which is ficticious, but its also lying, catch my drift?)

  • Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    No, its not. The things I asked you to provide examples for you did not because they are ficticious. Spreading such lies is also a sin, keep that in mind before you post.

  • Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:09 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Jehovah, funny how you loosely tried to string some thoughts together there. Sorry, but I am one of the 40% who doesn't engage in anal sex, and all of those health issues would be the same for someone who is straight and engages in promiscuity or anal sex. I find it interesting that you didn't provide any kind of evidence for gays having poor mental health (which I would argue is because many grew up with parents who tried to change them when they came out which has been proven to mess someone up psychologically, or because they were made fun of growing up because they didn't fit the gender binary so rigidly held in high regard by conservatives.) You also posted no evidence to support your claims that there is a higher rate of domestic violence in the gay community, or that gay murders come from within the gay community (but yes, when a straight person murders a gay person, it is quite brutal, such as Matthew Shepard, who was dragged behind a car, beaten with the blunt end of a fun, tied to a fence on a cold night and left to die. When the police officer arrived, the only way she new he was a human were the tear marks that had washed the blood from under his eyes.)

    Forsalt, what are you attempting to prove, that I am not a Christian? You will stop at nothing to do that, and you're spinning your wheels because my relationship with Christ is not something that you can prove and its also something that is none of your business.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, citing a Bible verse about people being blind doesn't lend any support to your argument. If anything, it makes it weaker by attempting to take a side track.

    Fors, gay relationships don't rely on a gender binary, which research has shown actually makes them healthier (not having a typical male/female role actually takes a lot of stress out of a marriage.) We are both equals, and our marriage will be prosperous.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:20 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Seeing as how the Bible is completely silent on committed gay relationships and any mention of homosexuality is in terms of idol worship or rape, I wonder how you figured out that God is against same sex marriage?

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:53 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, your definition of promiscuity is quite the stretch, but nice try.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:47 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    No Jehovah, its not. My partner and I have been together for over a year and have been completely monogamous, as we will be. Having sex with a person of the same gender does not make you promiscuous. Having sex with multiple partners, regardless of your sexual orientation, makes you promiscuous.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I don't mean to argue with you, but you are using the term promiscuous incorrectly. Promiscuity may be an immoral act, but it doesn't make every immoral act promiscuous. In conjunction with that, what I was trying to say, is just because someone is gay doesn't mean they are promiscuous. On that note though, there are plenty of promiscuous people in the world, both gay and straight. Now, you argue that gay is a sin and you have used numerous biblical references to prove your point. I admire that. In the end I disagree with you, based on my own religious beliefs. However, I do find promiscuity wrong - whether you are gay or straight.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    promiscuous as defined by princeton (wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn) is: casual and unrestrained in sexual behavior

    No mention of gay equating to promiscuous.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:46 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, go back and read that. I didn't say you were promiscuous, I said everything you described in your post was about someone who was promiscuous, not someone who is gay. You do not know what made me gay, and whatever it was does not separate me from God. It is clear you have a vivid imagination.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:54 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Why was my post deleted?!? I said nothing offensive. Jehovah, everything you said is typical of someone who is promiscuous, not someone who is gay! Your sexual orientation does not define your promiscuity!

  • Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    John 5796

    Learn a lot from Uganda?

    How can you put a sin in jail without putting a sinner in jail?

    If sin without a crime gets jail time then there will not be enough jails for all of us sinners.

  • Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    We hate the SIN, not the sinner, despite how many proponents of sin come on here and lie and twist the truth around. It looks like we could learn a lot from Uganda.

  • Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jehovanassi: Iâ

  • Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:50 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    This is why so many Christian groups are now being labeled hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center. It is possible to preach the gospel without espousing hate...unless of course you hate gay people.

  • artm »
    Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:46 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Not the way to go,

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