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Rick Warren Clarifies Relationship with Obama

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

In his first interview since delivering the invocation at President Obama's inauguration, Pastor Rick Warren made clear that he is not a consultant for the president but rather a friend.

"I'm a friend and I'm a prayer partner, but I'm not a consultant," Warren said on CNN's Larry King Live on Monday. "I'm not a pundit. And it's not my role to do that. My role is to help people in their personal lives. I have helped a lot of leaders, both locally and globally, with issues about family and issues about personal stress. That's a pastoral role. I'm a pastor."

Since the inauguration in January, Warren has not spoken with Obama but he believes the new president is doing "the best he can" given the circumstance.

"I think that the deck of cards he was given, no president has been given this in a long, long time, in terms of the crises that he's having to deal with. It is so complex," Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life, said. "And it's not going to be solved overnight."

The evangelical pastor also said he believes it's important for Obama to find a church to attend. Obama is reportedly still searching for a home church.

"I think it's important for the public to see our leaders having faith. I think it expresses a sense of humility that says, 'I recognize that I'm not the end all, be all,'" Warren said.

"It's a good sense of humility and a declaration of dependence upon God," he added, noting that he could recommend a dozen good churches in the Washington D.C. area.

"I have a lot of pastor friends of all different styles. You tell me the style you want and I'll tell you a good church in Washington, D.C."

When Obama chose Warren to deliver the invocation at his inauguration, his pick drew wide protest from gay rights activists who criticized Warren for supporting California's Proposition 8, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

In Monday's interview, Warren again stressed that he is neither anti-gay nor an anti-gay marriage activist and has never campaigned for Proposition 8.

Moreover, the issue of homosexuality is not high on his agenda, he said as he declined to comment on the recent Iowa Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage.

While still affirming traditional marriage, Warren told CNN's King that his agenda consists of two things: Rwanda and the spiritual climate of the nation in the midst of a recession.

Monday marked the 15th anniversary of the start of the Rwanda genocide – a genocide that left some 800,000 dead.

"As you know, I've been heavily involved in Rwanda and helping rebuild that nation and I'm very concerned about that," Warren, who has been working with pastors in Rwanda over the past four years, told King in the interview.

Meanwhile, the economic downturn has led a flood of newcomers to Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., which Warren founded.

Last month, Saddleback saw 2,400 people become members and 800 become baptized.

"That's never happened" in Saddleback's 30-year history, Warren said, noting a "spiritual awakening" at his church.

"While people are hurting, people are also searching."

This week, Warren is preparing to hold over 14 services in the Easter weekend. Saddleback Church expects nearly 50,000 people to show up. This Easter also marks the 30th anniversary of Saddleback Church.

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  • Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "friends become wounded when you choose the Bible over them"

    "Become wounded" does not mean WE have hurt them. Or that God is hurting them.

    It simply means our stand CONVICTS their stand and if the Holy Spirit is CONVICTING ONE of SIN; WHO are we to short-circuit that work by handholding sin with the world in an effort to show "COMPASSION" to to the world.

    What "compassion" is it to allow the world to suffer a fatal eternal wound over temporal discomfort in response to our stand with God. This is not the SAME COMPASSION that Christ demonstrated here on earth. It is the opposite!


    This "Christian Compassion" we are seeing only seeks to PLEASE men and doesn't properly address the sin that separates us from a HOLY God and this compassion informs the world, prominently displayed on Warren's Webpage, that they are ETERNALLY SECURE when they make a superficial confession of Christ without counting the cost (LUKE 14:28) of true fellowship in the sufferings of Christ, picking up the Cross daily and denying the flesh AND YES, TO WALK IN HOLINESS!

    1Peter 1:15,16
    "but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
    because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."

    Anything less than walking in holiness travels the WIDE WAY (Matt 7:13) and will not find the NARROW Way: the way in which we MUST go.

    Matthew 7:22,23
    "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
    And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'"

    WHO are these MANY? It looks like a large number when compared to the "Few" who find and go through the narrow gate (Matt 7:14b). A majority of Christians will believe they are 'eternally secure' only to find the LORD saying Depart from ME.

    We cannot support a message that contibutes to the "many" but we must instead exhort each other to find the Narrow Way. The first makes a man popular, the second makes one holy.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Don't you?"

    Apparently not.

    We can rightly divide Scripture to refute the Mormons, JW's, Moonies and other false religions but when it comes to making sure our Protestant Churches are teaching sound doctrine, (or just anything resembling the Gospel) we have no heart to search the Scriptures and question our "leaders" on what they teach.

    This is a shame. We were warned in the Words of Jesus:

    "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

    "Behold, I have told you before." (Mathew 24:24,25).

    Just curious, I wonder where all those "apology" letters Paul must have written, are?

    The Church that Christ says will prevail against the gates of hell, is now repenting before the unrepentant world.

    Nice.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul: A Pastor/Minister who is not a Prophet is a false Prophet. Why? Since Jesus Christ is the Living WORD to Whom all Scripture testifies by the power of the Holy Spirit (John 14,16 ), Pastors/Ministers do not pick and choose, or declare themselves "oblivious", to which 'hat' they will wear, priest or prophet. They are bound by Christ The Living WORD not to shun to "declare to you all the counsel of G-D" Acts 20:27

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP

    I guess what I'm asking for is his teachings on sin and our need for repentance or maybe a teaching on hell and the Devil (you know, the enemy of our souls). I'm having a difficult time locating anything on this.

    Do you think it's a true statement to say that without repentance we have no salvation?

    It is as though everything I read from the website has the appearance of a form of Christianity but the Saddleback gospel is missing these important elements and gives me the impression the world just needs to add Christ to their lives and He will just bless their efforts.

    Sure, Warren is a Pastor but he is also a teacher; one with enough press coverage to influence the masses and inform our culture from a "Christian" perspective. You can see how some of his actions, such as the "apology letters to gays" would bring up controversy within the Church.
    I just feel we have a duty to examine in the light of Scripture what this popular Christianity teaches and if the Saddleback gospel deceives a seeker into believing he has salvation and security while the seeker (without sound doctrine) fails to repent of sin or becomes an unwitting victim of satan and falls way?
    Does Saddleback gospel whitewash the souls of men for God?

    I am sincerely concerned for the Body of Christ and am not presenting a rebuttal to villanize the man, I hope you can see that I'm genuinely curious about this whole new Christianity movement from Emerging to Emergent, to Osteen and Oprah Winfrey. Something is happening to our faith here and I believe we are seeing a rise in false gospels, as the Bible foretold.
    And I think we who hold the true Gospel need to have an answer for it. Don't you?

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Could you point me to some of Warren's teachings..."

    It's on their website!
    http://www.saddleback.com/aboutsaddleback/whatwebelieve/index.html

    Also, I have sent a request to Saddleback for Rick's 'official position' on the matter. More than one person has come off Larry King with their position not being clearly understood! (Larry has a way with that :D )

    Again, I do want to point out that Rick is a Pastor and not a Prophet. His job is to care for the sheep. It is the job of a Prophet to point out right and wrong in the society. Still, according to what was reported at 'one' Rick's statements concerning the Bible and Prop 8 before the vote were spot on.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:00 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    DelightntheLord

    >>> I don't know what this letter of "apology" he felt he had to write to his "gay" friends was all about, do you?<<<


    Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8
    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Defau ... ?id=481280

    "California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8,and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment."



    {and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment.}

    This is a lie because he did.


    Apparently Warren's support of Prop 8 caused him some trouble with his gay friends and to retain their "friendship" he backtracked on his position.

    "For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galations 1:10.

    Rick Warren is now seeking to please men rather than God. He is becoming a bondservant of man rather than a bondservant of Christ.

    Hopefully, he'll repent before it is too late. There may come a time when he will be called upon to either deny his Jesus and live or confess his Jesus and die.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I lived on a ranch where we would use gallons of white paint to whitewash miles of wooden fencing. It looked very nice and clean being whitewashed, but next year all those flaws would surface and it would need whitewashing again.

    No offense, DP, but your response reminds me of whitewashing fences. It has the appearance of answering my concerns and at the same time, not.

    Could you point me to some of Warren's teachings where he speaks about the deceitfulness of sin, mentions hell and where he points us to Jesus Christ in a public forum?

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "why would it be a bad thing for Christians to excercise discernment and watch him and his teachings closely? "

    You cannot watch him or his teachings "closely" from a distance. 1Cr 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.


    "I read in Scripture that in the end days many will turn away from the faith and embrace the doctrines of demons and will not endure sound teaching and will find preachers who will 'tickle' their ears."

    To be honest, I find people wanting to have their ears tickled in very "conservative" churches as much as charasmaniac churches. People want to be told that they are right in what they believe. The Bible says that only God is holy. We'd do well to just obey Him.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Plus, if you're opposed to same sex-marriage would that not make one anti-same-sex marriage?"

    Potato...Potato (it loses something in text form). Still, God is more interested in what we stand for. Anything else, we stand against.


    "I don't know what this letter of "apology" he felt he had to write to his "gay" friends was all about, do you?"

    If he's holding to his own teaching he would be saying he was sorry that his position had wounded them. It's an unfortunate thing that friends become wounded when you choose the Bible over them. Still, it is important to be concerned for them as people. It is an opportuntiy to let them know that you are still willing to have them as friends and be their friend. In the eyes of God, all of us are just a bad as the next guy. This is why Jesus had to die for all men.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, just read an article on Baptist Press News where Warren says he did share these things with his congregation and he sees that as different than publically supporting Proposition 8. But what I don't get is why he sees the need to apologize for supporting the Proposition. Plus, if you're opposed to same sex-marriage would that not make one anti-same-sex marriage?

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP

    Is discernment necessarily 'villianizing'? The observation I make is that Warren does like the limelight and he does seem to backtrack on some of his earlier statements. I don't know what this letter of "apology" he felt he had to write to his "gay" friends was all about, do you?

    I look at things in a logical way (most times); I see that the world approves him and media promotes him...I see Christians suspicious of his teachings and methods.

    Additionally, Scripture teaches that the gate is narrow; Saddleback has 2400 new members, 800 of those baptized just last week.

    I read in Scripture that in the end days many will turn away from the faith and embrace the doctrines of demons and will not endure sound teaching and will find preachers who will 'tickle' their ears.

    I read Christ words; when I return, will I find "faith on the earth?" I read Christ's warning that the world hates Him and will hate his followers as well. I read in Scripture that many false christs and false prophets will arise in the last days.

    If Satan is able to disguise himself as an angel of light to deceive even the elect; why would it be a bad thing for Christians to excercise discernment and watch him and his teachings closely? Or should we put all Scripture warnings aside and blindly embrace him and his teachings because he seems like a nice guy and says SOME of the right things?

    I don't know definitively whether he is of God because I do not sit under his teachings, but I am concerned for the reasons I've listed above. It is a healthy skepticism to question such a popular pastor and that it is no way a villanization of one to be scrutinized by others in the light of Scripture.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "...marriage as anything other than one mad and one woman and that should not change and he went on to encourage people to vote in favor of Proposition 8."

    I agree he was vocal about Prop 8 but does making statements like his turn him into an activist or is simple saying that Prop 8 is reflective of a Biblical point of view and we should support that?

    He wasn't out there marching through the streets with a bullhorn. I support Prop 8 and I'm on the other side of the country with no vote in the matter.

    People want to vilianize people like Warren. My dad was somewhat in the same postition within the world of religious education. Most don't know much about those they vilianize which is quite sad. My wife was in a small group leaders conference put on by Saddleback held at a church in Atlanta. Warren is much more the coordinator vs. the "front man" which is not the impression many have of him.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    delight, my personal opinion is that he is trying to be too many things to too many people!

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I did see the most recent Larry King interview with Rick Warren on Youtube and it does seem that he is backing off of his stand on traditional marriage by insisting he is "oblivious" to the gay marriage agenda which pretty much makes homosexuality (for him) a non issue.

    No matter what one believes about the validity of the teachings of Rick Warren, there is evidence that he is trying to be friendly with the world.

    Luk 6:26 "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets."

    Gal 1:10 "For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ."

    A bondservant of Christ is highly unlikely to have an amiable interview with Larry King nor send out letters of apology to "gay" friends. I think we should view Warren with a very discerning eye.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, but that is not true, he did promote Proposition 8 and in fact if you go to the Christian Worldview website you cna hear a recording of him supporting Proposition 8, so he did much more than he said he did on Larry King the other night. In the recording he speaks to the fact that for the past 5,000 years no society has defined marriage as anything other than one mad and one woman and that should not change and he went on to encourage people to vote in favor of Proposition 8. Plus, he said he felt he spoke directly to this issue when he had the candidates at Saddleback. To be honest I'm not quite sure what his motives are at this point with regards to this issue.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "In Monday's interview, Warren again stressed that he is neither anti-gay nor an anti-gay marriage activist and has never campaigned for Proposition 8. "

    This is true. He has stood for what the Bible says on the matter. He is a pastor and not a prophet. It's not his job to do that which is perceived as activism by our society. Pastors take care of the sheep.

    Please note he did not say Gay is OK....

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    cowboyfan88 said "I would rather wonder about both their relationship with Christ, not with each other."

    Are you praying for them?

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:09 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It seems Rick Warren is backtracking on his stance for Prop 8. He has decided that popularity, fame and fortune mean much more to him than the teachings of the bible. Please send an email letting him know how you feel about his change of beliefs. rickw@saddleback.net and info@saddleback.net It is so sad when pastors let the "love of money" keep them from taking
    a stance against what they know is biblically wrong.

    This was posted on another website:

    California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8, and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment.
    Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California's voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist."

    "During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going," Warren claimed.

    However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. "We support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8," he said.

    During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. "There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out," he admitted.

    Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court's decision last week to legalize same-sex "marriage" because it was "not his agenda."

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Matthew 7:13
    "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. Everything is not acceptable even though God is a loving God. If you want to see what happens to a gay community look at Sodom and Gomorrah.

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Rick Warren and his 'Goo Goo Gospel' I guess you all forget that Jesus whipped a bunch of fools out of the temple after He found them making the house of God a place of marketing. I guess you wish Jesus was more like Warren huh

  • NLD »
    Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Correction: Last comment was to read, "Peter denying Christ."

  • NLD »
    Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Joel Osteen not affirming that Jesus is the only way to Heaven reminds me of Peter denying.

    Rick Warren should be bold enough to quote Scripture regarding the gay lifestyle. He worries me when he is so "wishy washy" and it certainly doesn't help the Christians who look up to him for good Christian advice.

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Public discourse for Christians in a pluralistic world is needful of a high degree of charity (a soft answer turns away wrath, wisdom (for everything there is a season) & discernment (for we fight not against flesh & blood). Thus, Rick Warren is much more a reflection of Christ in these public forums than the divisive speech most Christians deem as prophetic outrage. If you want the homosexual "agenda" whatever that is, to truly be addressed and engaged in a public setting then know the incendiary judgements could not be farther from the Father's heart. Grace is truly meted out when we sorely disagree. Use this as an opportunity to reflect compassion & caring before pious proclamations.

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:03 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I realize I will get in trouble here but isn't it amazing how Warren is so false and yet he is still one of Christian Post's biggest contributors for articles LOL - go figure.

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:44 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Rick Warren missed an opportunity to affirm the Biblical principles of marriage. It's getting to the point that we need to prepare for the negative fallout if a high profile minister of a huge mega-church appears on Larry King.

    First, Joel Osteen refusing to affirm that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, and now Rick Warren backing up on affirming Biblical marriage.

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:35 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    Robroy --- You said ---> The biggest threat to Christianity is the "gay is OK" toxin.<----

    Although the homosexual perversion is indeed a evil thing and ungodly - it in itself is NOT the biggest threat to Christianity. The biggest threat to Christianity is people like Warren who are accepted as a true Christian. Even Obama himself is accepted as one. That right there is the biggest threat to Christianity. That these self willed men who are nothing more then men pleasers have people flocking to their cults and listen to their foolish compromising attitudes and accept that as normal. Judgment begins in the House of God and my friends it is already happening. The church is slowly becoming tolerated and acceptable - even admired at times. A fun place to go. A place where you can ENJOY yourself no matter what you do - God loves you and would never expect you to repent. This is the threat to Christianity. Wake up!

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I would rather wonder about both their relationship with Christ, not with each other.

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:35 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    "And more importantly, the issue of homosexuality is not even on his agenda, he said as he declined to comment on the recent Iowa Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage."

    Not on the agenda? Why not? The biggest threat to Christianity is the "gay is OK" toxin. It has literally wiped out Christianity in Northern Europe. In this country, we have seen large declines of people identifying them as Christians. Those denonimations that have bought into the "gay is OK" line are the ones being crushed. The Episcopalians were last year's fastest declining. This year it is the UCC. The Presbyterians and the Methodists are seeing large declines as well to the same degree of their liberalization.

    The evidence is clear: if you want to kill your church, start blessing homosexuality in defiance of Scripture.

  • Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:40 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 2

    It's quite possible that Obama hasn't found a church yet because he is not what he appears to be. A true christian leader is humble, and seeks the Lord and His ways first. If Obama was really a devout Christian, you can surely that he would have found a church by now.

    While I see an excuse that he's busy...he's trying to get a country out of a recession...I think he needs to read his bible more and see how every successful biblical leader sought out the Lord first, and those who failed to do so had disasters occur.

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