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Education|Fri, May. 22 2009 07:17 PM EDT

Liberty University Cuts Ties With College Democrats Group

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

The Liberty University College Democrats are no longer being recognized by their school due to the stance of their "parent organization" and the political candidates they support.

“We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by Liberty University,” LU Student Affairs VP Mark Hine informed the group in a recent e-mail.

“Even though this club may not support the more radical planks of the democratic party, the democratic party is still the parent organization of the club on campus,” he added.

Though they were formed last October, the College Democrats were able to keep their ties to Liberty University due to their explicitly stated pro-life and pro-traditional marriage stance and the loose governing of LU's clubs and organizations.

But the group likely raised eyebrows when they actively promoted President Barack Obama during his campaign and became more involved with the Democratic Committee of Lynchburg, Va., where the fundamentalist Christian school is based.

Right before the College Democrats were notified of their rejection, a new policy on club governance was completed, adopted, and made effective by the Liberty University School of Law.

The new policy, which Hine said the College Democrats did not comply with, states: “No student club or organization shall be approved, recognized or permitted to meet on campus, advertise, distribute or post materials, or use University facilities if the statements, positions, doctrines, policies, constitutions, bylaws, platforms, activities or events of such club or organization, its parent, affiliate, chapter or similarly named group (even if the similarly named group is not the actual parent, affiliate or chapter) are inconsistent or in conflict with the distinctly Christian mission of the University, the Liberty Way, the Honor Code, or the policies and procedures promulgated by the University."

For the College Democrats, Hine made clear that the Democratic Party platform is contrary to the mission of the school and to Christian doctrine as it “supports abortion, federal funding of abortion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the 'LGBT' agenda, Hate Crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc.”

“The candidates this club supports uphold the Platform and implement it,” he added.

As a consequence, Liberty University planned to remove the club from the Liberty website and insisted that the group cease its usage of Liberty University's name, including any school logo, seal or mark.

“By using LU or Liberty University and Democrat in the name, the two are associated and the goals of both run in opposite directions,” Hine explained.

According to the Washington Post, Maria Childress, the club's adviser and an administrative assistant at the school, is trying to appeal the decision to Jerry Falwell Jr., who became the Lynchburg school's chancellor after his father died in 2007.

On Thursday, however, Falwell said the club “still has the right to exist” and can still meet in certain rooms on campus but cannot use the school's name in its activities.

“There is absolutely no animosity at all toward any of these kids,” he said in his first public comments on the group’s suspension.

“They are good, Christian kids who sit with me at ball games,” he added, according to the Lynchburg News Advance. “I just hope they find a pro-life family organization to affiliate with so they can be endorsed by Liberty again.“

On the College Democrats' Facebook page, the group says its mission is to educate fellow peers about the Democratic party and the principles the party stands for.

"A College Democrat organization is needed on the Liberty University campus to promote the values of: tolerance, equal opportunity for all, and a commitment to social justice," they state.

"We hope to spread the message of the Democratic party in hopes to educate the Liberty campus about political issues that are not of a conservative bias," they conclude.

Founded in 1971 by the late Dr. Jerry Falwell Sr., Liberty University touts itself as the largest and fastest growing Christian Evangelical university in the world.

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  • Fri May 29, 2009 5:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    wowie, in response to your 10:35AM post, I'll give you three guesses as to who that is and your first two guesses don't count!

  • Fri May 29, 2009 4:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    DP- "wowie.... I get the same thing! If I don't get atleast 2 thumbs down I assume I wasn't clear in my point!!!"

    lol! I never thought of it THAT way before! Thanks!

  • Fri May 29, 2009 11:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    wowie.... I get the same thing! If I don't get atleast 2 thumbs down I assume I wasn't clear in my point!!!

  • Fri May 29, 2009 10:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    SEE! There's another one!! I'm thinking someone clicks to see all my comments and just goes right down the line giving me thumbs down without even reading them, what a way to waste time lol

  • Fri May 29, 2009 8:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    The thumbs crack me up, someone obviously has taken offense to something I've said since I've gotten two thumbs down now for asking a simple question yesterday...lol

  • Fri May 29, 2009 7:24 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    wr, like you I would have no problem with them totally removing the flagging option as well as the thumbs option, but if they keep the flagging then I'd like to know who did it so that person can be held accountable to share why they did so.

  • Fri May 29, 2009 5:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    Believer
    You have commented...
    "...have the identity of the poster doing the flagging shown so the person flagged has the opportunity to ask for an explanation."

    This is a very good idea for both the thumbs and the flagging.

    But since the flagging removes the comments, and abuse of this feature is difficult to control, they should eliminate the flagging.

    Personally, I have never been an advocate for having any content removed by the judgement of another. No matter how distasteful a comment may be or seem to be, I prefer to see the comment for myself.

    God gave us the gift of choice and self-judgement.
    We have to learn to be responsible.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 9:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    oldstudent, several of us have asked CP to consider doing away with both the thumbs and the flagging or have the identity of the poster doing the flagging shown so the person flagged has the opportunity to ask for an explanation.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 7:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    blackshoe,

    I am not taking the time to build a database of my comments just in case. Maybe CP should look at this bad policy...

    Grace and Peace,
    jim

  • Thu May 28, 2009 4:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    oldstudent: I have taken to copying my comments to a Word document, so I can re-post them after they get flagged. Usually after I quote Scripture; seems people don't want to be told what God says.

    Humanity never changes, do we?

  • Thu May 28, 2009 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    old student, plus any poster can go to another posters comments section and not only read them but flag them and give them the thumbs up and/or down. And one poster is notorious for doing just that because your post will many times appear in your comments section before it is put on the specific site you were posting to and I've had several of my posts get a thumbs down while they were in my comments section but before they went to the sight I was posting to.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 1:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer,

    So anyone can flag another person's comments and prevent the original commenter from viewing their own posts in the, "see my comments" section? That is interesting....

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Thu May 28, 2009 11:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Homoousia316: You are being ridiculous. I would tell to go back and read the verses you cited IN CONTEXT but that would be casting pearls before swine. You came on to post hateful stuff; congratulations. Now I suggest you look at your own motives and go lurk at DailyKos, where you will be patted on the back.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 10:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    old student, to the best of my knowledge CP won't flag your posts they would delete them and send you the reason why and they also prevent you from posting in some cases depending on what they read in your post. Anyone who logs in can flag another post, but only the poster can delete their own post as well as CP.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 12:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,

    Thanks for the info, I flagged one of my own comments on another string once because I looked at it again and decided I didn't like the words I typed so I flagged myself. I am wondering why my comments below were flagged by CP. I would like to see them to understand the thought proesss behind them being flagged by CP.

    As for Forsalt, maybe I am missin something but I am not seeing her post flagged (could be that I am blind in my one good eye ;-) ).

    CP is well within their rights to censor what is on their site but an explanation would be proper I think.

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Tue May 26, 2009 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 13

    oldstudent, some posters after they've been flagged go back and delete that message and there is no record of it and perhaps that is what salt did with hers, but it is sad that messages that in no way violate any of the CP standards are flagged.

  • Tue May 26, 2009 4:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    What was inappropriate in my posts I ask? Not being defensive at all, I am just wondering what was in my posts that would be inappropriate.

    I would look at them again but the "see my comments" page just tells me they have been flagged as inappropriate with nothing else.

    How do I find those comments to review?

    Forsalt,

    I don't see any of your comments flagged, what are you referring to?

    Weekenderman,

    In what way were my comments without grace or peace? I won't make a similar comment about your three posts that were flagged though. I am not going to repay...

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

    Grace and Peace,
    jim

  • Mon May 25, 2009 6:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 12

    I won't post on your site again if you are going to delete that kind of post! There was nothing there that met the criteria set forht by CP not to post. There is plenty of worldly stuff that gets posted and never touched or deleted. I will not be apart of any worldly group of this type that caters to the left.

  • Mon May 25, 2009 11:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 11

    Not much grace and peace in Jim's posts, eh! :)

  • Mon May 25, 2009 9:13 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Written platforms mean nothing and anyone who pays attention to what those members do in relation to those written platforms knows this to be true; platforms are the advertisements of the parties, nothing more. Since McCain couldn't do anything about abortion in America (including the fact that he won't have a litmus test for judges if he was elected) his stance means absolutely zero; again window dressing instead of substance. McCain has been a flip-flopper all his career and his evolution on stances at the times when he has been needed most is evident and easy to see. It matters not if you vote for Democrats or Republicans, both get us to the same place only the Republicans do it slower and lie about the destination whereas the Democrats (for the most part) are honest about their objectives and will get us there quickly. Grace and Peace, Jim hide

  • Sun May 24, 2009 5:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show What this shows is that Liberty is a place for fools because they think the Republicans are more godly, which is a foolish and/or ignorant belief. This was a political decision, not a moral one and would make Jesus cringe if He were here in the flesh today. Chuck Colson was and still is correct when he spoke of how the Republicans suckered the evangelicals into believing that Republicans stand for godliness. Grace and Peace, Jim hide

  • Sun May 24, 2009 5:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    "Looks like the only true Christian Republican you Americans have left is Ron Paul! Why dont any of you guys seem to know about him? He's huge on the net. Australians know more about him than you Americans do."

    LOLOLOLOL. Why should American voters care what voters in other countries think when choosing their own President? Everyone in the U.S. learned as much about that fruitcake named Ron Paul as we needed to hear, and on that basis we flatly rejected any suggestion of having him as our leader.

    Now granted, Ron Paul does have a few great ideas, but on the whole he seemed more insane than anything else. Heck, here in Dubuque, Iowa, more Democrats (members of the party banned from LU) voted for Paul than Republicans -- THAT should tell you something!

  • Sun May 24, 2009 10:51 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    forsalt, Indeed you have confirmed my post, call it Jerry's Religious College.

  • Sun May 24, 2009 8:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Actaully, the Liberty part should be dropped too, just call it Jerry's College

  • Sun May 24, 2009 3:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Looks like the only true Christian Republican you Americans have left is Ron Paul! Why dont any of you guys seem to know about him? He's huge on the net. Australians know more about him than you Americans do. Go Ron Paul!!!

  • Sun May 24, 2009 3:18 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Liberty is private, has the right to deny others a voice, but they really should drop the University part. Its really just a religious college.

  • Sun May 24, 2009 3:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Liberal Democrats are having a Meltdown Over Obama
    (The Honeymppn is Over)

    http://www.infowars.com/rachel-maddow-criticizes-obama-on-prolonged-detention/

    Rachel Maddow has come aroundâ

  • Sun May 24, 2009 3:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show As a former Liberty University Student, I am pleased that they have stood against the anti-America and now anti-christ Democrat party. It has become a party that fosters religious tyranny and practices that hastens America's desolation. Liberal democrats have not made their hostility against the biblical principles a secret. Therefore as followers of Christ, just as we should find nothing in common with an idolater, I do not find any agreement with their party. LIBERALS ARE IN A MELTDOWN OVER OBAMA (The Honeymoon is Over) http://www.infowars.com/rachel-maddow-criticizes-obama-on-prolonged-detention/ Rachel Maddow has come aroundâ hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 10:00 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Wow, students at "Liberty" trying to exercise their liberty as Americans. Such things cannot be allowed(said tongue firmly in cheek) When I was in school, the Liberty catalog stated that a student not already attending an approved local church(read fundamentalist, conservative, Baptist)must attend Jerry Falwell's church.

  • Sat May 23, 2009 8:22 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show My last comment was "flagged as inappropriate," presumably because it criticized the new arbiter of Christian doctrine, which is obviously the Republican Party. The Republians and the word of God disagree on several crucial points. Republicans advocate state-sponsored murder of American citizens (a fact that few, if any, "pro-life" Republicans seem to take into account any more) where Christ condemned even those who would stone a confessed adulteress. The word of God tells us to hate our families (Luke 14:26); the Republicans claim to be a "family values" party. The word of God tell us to render unto Caesar his own property; the Republicans are anti-taxes. And so on. Why are so many Christians so quick to leap to the side of an anti-Jesus party like the Republicans? Is it because all of you have Republican pastors and Republican parents? Try reading your Bibles for God's word, not GOP party platform documents, folks. Thanks. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 7:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Great post. "A ham sandwich could have been the democratic nominee in 2008 and still beaten the republican nominee (regardless of who the republican nominee was).' A ham sandwich would have been better than what we got and more children would be alive today. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    Well, I've never been to Cedarville so I can't speak to that subject, but I think it's interesting that I have been to LU numerous times (my father was an administrator and professor there until he retired a few years back), but someone deleted my comments.

    That's actual typical behavior for leftists and so-called "independents" (or moderates). They value all dissent except thoughts that differ from their own. Sad, that is.

  • Sat May 23, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Well, I've never been to Cedarville so I can't speak to that subject, but I think it's interesting that I have been to LU numerous times (my father was an administrator and professor there until he retired a few years back), but someone deleted my comments. That's actual typical behavior for leftists and so-called "independents" (or moderates). They value all dissent except thoughts that differ from their own. Sad, that is. hide

  • jlc3 »
    Sat May 23, 2009 6:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Weekenderman,
    I graduated from CU and have friends that still attend. I'm well aware of the culture on campus as well as all the controversy surrounding the bible department.

  • Sat May 23, 2009 6:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Wow, so much for independent thinking being allowed by the pagans on this site! hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 6:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    jlc: Rocky attended Cedarville himself, so I'm sure he's much more aware of the atmosphere on that campus than someone like you.

    Independent said "The recent actions by the administration at Liberty University is a further example of why reasonable minded folks are turned off by the national republican party."

    What a disjoined statement!! What makes you think the "national republican party" is the same as "administration at LU."??

  • jlc3 »
    Sat May 23, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    rocky2,
    you should probably get both sides of the Cedarville story before talking about it. While you're at it, talk to more than just two students who decided to leave for whatever reason....maybe the 3,000 students who have decided to stay.

  • Sat May 23, 2009 5:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I thank God for the stand that Liberty University has taken. As a graduate of Cedarville University, I am appalled at the drift to liberal theology and immoral standards that Cedarville has taken recently under President Bill Brown. Students drink alcohol openly in the college dorm reception rooms, but it is allowed because it is "near beer" (5%). However, the students who spoke to recent high school students visiting the campus said that all they did was pour real beer into the "empties" of the "near beer." Faculty members openly advise students that "We assured that the words of the Bible are as they were given by God, but we cannot be certain they are what they say." This was stated to two students who have left Cedarville when they were questioning their salvation's certainty and concerned about their sexual orientation. Solid Bible professors and others are being either termined and/or pushed out of the school. A Catholic university professor who believes in the Emergent Church was allowed to speak in chapel four days in a row. I could go on and on, but thankfully Liberty is standing for the truth. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 5:01 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    A ham sandwich could have been the democratic nominee in 2008 and still beaten the republican nominee (regardless of who the republican nominee was). John McCain is a great man and was the best hope for the republicans last November. But, thanks to the foolishness of the Bush administration, the recipe was perfect for the democrats. I'll say it again: The far-right is an example of what is wrong with the republican party right now. As a result, the republican party in its current form will not win the White House anytime soon. The recent actions by the administration at Liberty University is a further example of why reasonable minded folks are turned off by the national republican party. The republicans better wake up and broaden their tent or they'll be extinct soon.

  • Sat May 23, 2009 4:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show It's exactly an "independent" like John McCain who lost this last election for us. True conservatives were not energized by McCain, and therefore did not turn out like the Leftists did. And that's regularly what happens when the GOP appoints a moderate to run -- the party loses. Remember Bob Dole? George HW Bush (who proved in his first term he wasn't a true conservative)? "No one disputes Liberty's right to do what they please as a private institution, I merely pointed out that stifling opposing views is not liberty but tyranny." True liberty comes through Christ's teachings (which LU supports), not the tyranny that pagans live under with sin ruling their lives. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 4:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "No one disputes Liberty's right to do what they please as a private institution, I merely pointed out that stifling opposing views is not liberty but tyranny." I'm sure there are tons of people (here on this blog and outside these confines) who dispute LU's very right to exist. Why else would they laugh and mock the school? And if you think LU's views are an example of tyranny rather than liberty, you need to read what Scripture says about that. Living under God's guidelines provides true liberty (from sin and the snares that so easily encumber us). It's those who are opposed to Christ and the Bible who are living in tyranny, suffering under the rule of the devil and his lies. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 4:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show It's hilarious to sign onto this site and read how all the liberals (including so-called independents) think conservatives should run their organizations, their schools and their churches. Hypocrisy indeed! They should mind their own wayfaring ships, not try to tell us how to run our own. My father, up until he retired around seven years ago, was a professor and administrator at Liberty (and an associate pastor at Thomas Road Baptist Church). Liberty is a fine university that is PRIVATE and can therefore dictate whichever rules they want for their staff and students. To see the libs and moderates on this site get their panties in a knot over what a private college is doing is hilarious indeed. Yes, this is indeed a good example of a time when church and state can and should be separate -- so the government will stop telling a private college what it can or cannot do! hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 4:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Liberty University's actions toward the College Democrats is a prime example of why the republican party in its current form will NEVER win another presidential election. I voted for John McCain and I don't support much of what Obama's administration is doing; however, this form of exclusivity that the far-right is displaying is a losing proposition and is making the republican party more irrelevant each and every day.

  • Sat May 23, 2009 3:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Hypocrisy Alert!

    Is Mr. Hines repenting for allowing them on campus in the first place, or is he showing his hypocrisy by playing politics? The democratic party's platform was the same when this club was approved to be on campus last year, as it is today when Mr. Hines fake self righteousness rears its head. Mr. Hines needs to repent for allowing it in the first place, and to repent for putting politics and America before the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord is not a REPUBLICAN or DEMOCRAT, nor is AMERICA equivalent to the Church of the true and LIVING GOD!

    Me sees hypocrisy!

  • Sat May 23, 2009 3:13 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Forsaltnlight- check that ego of yours, I wasn't talking to you nor do I know who you are, nor do I know what you've been talking about, nor do I care. I was commenting on the news story with the intent of showing that "Christianity" is not a religion anymore, it is just a publicity arm of the Republican Party. Conservative Christian loudmouths spend more time wining about global warming or evolution than they do on saving souls. The faith has become a joke and is in need of revival, ASAP. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 1:16 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show As usual, the complaints from the outside of Liberty U. come from those who think that freedom means a license to do or say anything. The Bible has guardrails built in for the benefit of God's people. Immature Christians and radicals trying to disguise themselves as Christians can't stand the words "Thou shall not". Do you allow your kids to play in the middle of the road during rush hour? Thank God that Liberty took the righteous step of flushing out the Obama crowd who try to patronize the Pro-Life crowd with "debates and discussions", when the Democratic leaders are radical abortionists with no apologies. Kudos to Liberty for taking a righteous stand here. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 12:53 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show So I assume that the Republican club will be losing its funding shortly, also. The Republicans are pro-death penalty; God says John 7:53-8:11. Republicans claim to be pro-family; God says Luke 14:26. Republicans are for lower or no taxation; God says Mark 12:17. Republicans think that marriage is "sacred;" God says 1 Corinthians 7:38. I could go on, but I'm sure that most of you are already pretty angry because your pastor taught you otherwise. hide

  • Sat May 23, 2009 11:57 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    No one disputes Liberty's right to do what they please as a private institution, I merely pointed out that stifling opposing views is not liberty but tyranny.

    And there certainly IS church-state separation in the Constitution, and with good reason that you see illustrated in this situation. Before the revolution, when ten colonies had state religions, it led to a patchwork of rarely-enforced laws, most of which were designed to stifle all forms of religious dissent, just as you see here.

    Good try, but you can't paint Liberty as anything but tyrannical in this situation.

  • Sat May 23, 2009 11:18 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    This is great. The Christian mission nowadays is completely associated with nothing else but being anti-gay and anti-abortion.

    A "Christian" university like Liberty can ally itself with war-mongering, capitalist, greedy Republicans but as long as anyone can exhibit bigotry toward gays, they're considered Christian.

    And the Christian fundies are wondering why they're getting a bad reputation these days . . .

  • Sat May 23, 2009 8:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Was it at Liberty University Ben Stein delivered a commencement speech a little while ago? I understand Mr Stein is big on those with differing views being opressed by the majority. Maybe this group should consider themselves expelled?

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