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Society|Fri, Jun. 12 2009 05:52 PM EDT

Justice Dept. Moves to Dismiss Challenge to DOMA

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

The U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion Thursday to dismiss a gay couple's lawsuit challenging the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

The motion argues that the plaintiffs, Arthur Smelt and Christopher Hammer, lack standing to bring the challenge in federal court and that it is not the right venue to hear the case.

The motion states that the right at issue in this case is not a right to marry considering the federal government does not issue marriage licenses or determine who can marry.

"This case does not call upon the Court to pass judgment ... on the legal or moral right of same-sex couples, such as plaintiffs here, to be married," attorneys for the Justice Department state.

Rather, the questions posed in this case are whether their marital status must be recognized by other states where same-sex marriage is illegal and whether they are entitled to certain federal benefits.

"Under the law binding on this Court, the answer to these questions must be no."

The motion also argues that the gay couple, whose marriage last July was kept intact by the California Supreme Court, have failed to allege that they have actually been denied any rights or benefits as a result of DOMA – which defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman for purposes of all federal laws, and provides that states need not recognize same-sex marriages from another state.

"Indeed, as noted above – and as evidenced by the fact that plaintiffs have married in California – DOMA in no way prohibits same-sex couples from marrying," the motion states.

Smelt and Hammer filed a lawsuit in December 2008, claiming that both Proposition 8 – California's constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman – and the federal DOMA violate the U.S. Constitution, specifically the Equal Protection Clause.

The suit was filed after they obtained a marriage license in California during the short period same-sex marriage was legal last year. The state Supreme Court had legalized marriage for gay and lesbian couples last May. The decision was overruled in November when voters passed Proposition 8. Last month, the state high court ruled to uphold the amendment while keeping intact the 18,000 same-sex marriages – including that of Smelt and Hammer – that took place before the November vote.

The Department of Justice has asked that all of the plaintiffs' claims against the United States be dismissed.

Alliance Defense Fund attorney Brian Raum plans to join in the motion.

"We're confident that the arguments the U.S. government is making are correct," Raum told The Christian Post. "Hopefully, the court will dismiss [the case]."

"The plaintiffs say DOMA violates the Constitution and no federal court found that to be the case so far," he added.

Another lawsuit on behalf of two same-sex couples is pending in federal court. Top litigators Theodore B. Olson and David Boies are challenging Proposition 8 on federal grounds, arguing that it violates the U.S. Constitution's guarantees of equal protection and due process of the law.

The Alliance Defense Fund filed a motion to intervene.

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  • Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Thanks for admitting it was you.'


    that's a lie. he never admitted it was him.

  • Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Which is why no one bothers to debate with you."


    thats a lie. people debate with him all the time.

  • Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ""There's no point debating Scripture with a person who is not being led by the Holy Spirit to accept the things of God."

    Which is why no one bothers to debate with you"


    But Mickey...you don't debate...you argue. This is where the need for those "back in your face" comments come in!

    debate: "a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints:"

    argue: "to contend in oral disagreement;"

    Proof is found in what would be your predictible response to this post.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:19 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    "I'm sure it's not the Christians on this Christian blog, so it must be one of the perverts who is flagging Online's posts"

    Thanks for admitting it was you.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:17 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    "There's no point debating Scripture with a person who is not being led by the Holy Spirit to accept the things of God."

    Which is why no one bothers to debate with you.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    "The natural man knows not the things of God; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

    AMEN . . . also,

    Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; (1 Timothy 4:2).

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Leviticus lost all moral authority when it called for murder. Have you even read Leviticus? It is insane. If you had read it, you would *never* suggest that it should be the basis for civil law or even moral reasoning. hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:47 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    "The natural man knows not the things of God; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

    There's no point debating Scripture with a person who is not being led by the Holy Spirit to accept the things of God.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    hman, I very seldom refer to Leviticus since when I speak to the sin of same-sex marriage and the sexual practices of homosexuality all I need to do is cite God's original and only design for marriage and sexual intimacy, both of which are found in the Old and New Testament alike. Plus, once again you need to read Numbers 35:31 with regards to the death penalty.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer, Leviticus lost ALL moral authority when it called for murder. Have you even *read* Leviticus? It is utterly insane. If you had read it, you would *never* consider using Leviticus as a basis for moral reasoning. You're just obsessed with this one verse that puts you in a place of privilege over other people that you get to murder. hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show LOL I haven't looked at your video you keep posting. I've never been particularly attracted to younger men, but feel free to enjoy your obsession. I just liked your description of how we could look forward to sexy bears filling the streets soon. Too bad it was deleted! hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show chicago, would you prefer we use the Koran? The reality is why would we need or use anything but the Word of God to deal with issues of immorality, considering it is all sin in the sight of God which is ultimately what's wrong with the sexual practices of homosexuality. hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show homo man thinks the link I showed him was "hott", so he must be a pedophile as well since the video was essentially about a gay YOUTH event where older men hung out trying to get some action with 12-16 year old boys. Just like the mayor of Portland did - prowled on the youth. hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I'll repost my link that I got flagged over. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100806 Essentially, it's Massachusetts celebrating gay youth day. For those of you that support homosexual agenda, I ask you: Do you want this type of event in your hometown? Gay Pride Parades and Youth Events where adult men go to and prey on kids - AND THEN CELEBRATE IT? This simply affirms the fact that the gay agenda and gay men prey on the youth - for sex and for recruitment. Wake up America and stop the madness. hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I admit that when I tell truth about the gay community, it is rude. Jesus went through the temple using a whip and turning over tables - rude? Homosexuality is the ultimate rudeness to God. He gave the gift of sex for a man and a women to enjoy in the confines of a marriage covenant; yet the gay community defies common sense to partake in a perverted activity. Heteros have also done the same by doing activity (anal sex) that is not holy or godly, but is only the result of Satan's deception. It's disgusting and perverted and unhealthy and is usually only brought into a relationship by those observing perverted material - like porn. America needs to repent of this garbage, live godly lives, and worship the King of kings and Lord of lords and stop buying into Satan's trash! hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Jehovahnissi wrote: "YAHWEH IS LORD!!" ? I thought Jesus was supposed to be Lord. ?!? hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP wrote: "Do tell." DP, this article is about DOMA, a federal law. In response to this article about a FEDERAL law, you wrote: "The federal court can only hear cases which involve FEDERAL law. This is an issue concerning individual state laws to accept or not accept." TO me, it sounds like you are not paying attention. ;-) hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Who's "we," Homo Man? I'm sure it's not the Christians on this Christian blog, so it must be one of the perverts who is flagging Online's posts -- posts that articulate the truth of perverted sexual behaviors.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:17 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    I'm must be doing something that is making someone or someones unhappy, because they're flagging me quite regularly. Especially, when I post articles that point out the evil gay/child relationship truth.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I admit that when I tell truth about the gay community, it is rude. Jesus went through the temple using a whip and turning over tables - rude? Homosexuality is the ultimate rudeness to God. He gave the gift of sex for a man and a women to enjoy in the confines of a marriage covenant; yet the gay community defies common sense to partake in a perverted activity. Heteros have also done the same by doing activity (anal sex) that is not holy or godly, but is only the result of Satan's deception. It's disgusting and perverted and unhealthy and is usually only brought into a relationship by those observing perverted material - like porn. America needs to repent of this garbage, live godly lives, and worship the King of kings and Lord of lords and stop buying into Satan's trash! hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I'll repost my link that I got flagged over. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100806 Essentially, it's Massachusetts celebrating gay youth day. For those of you that support homosexual agenda, I ask you: Do you want this type of event in your hometown? Gay Pride Parades and Youth Events where adult men go to and prey on kids - AND THEN CELEBRATE IT? This simply affirms the fact that the gay agenda and gay men prey on the youth - for sex and for recruitment. Wake up America and stop the madness. hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:03 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    I've yet to see anyone post a valid argument on this site that shows how being gay is in any way immoral without using Christian scripture.

    I'm sorry, but I pay taxes to a government that guarantees that I will live in a society where laws will not be made that are based upon religion.

    If you WANT to live under theocratic government, then perhaps you should immigrate to another country.

    Again. Can anyone give a valid statement that shows how being gay is in any way immoral without using Christian scripture?

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HM and Rollin...

    I can't figure why you guys got flagged either.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Sorry but you guys are not consistently observant"

    Do tell....

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:45 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    YAHWEH IS LORD!!

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:21 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Actually, you're are helping me establish the fact that many gay men are child predators as well, which is what this link is all about. One of the questions the person was asking was "why are there so many gay men hanging out at a youth event" - we all know why. They're looking for child sex; similar to Portland's mayor having sex with a teen - and he's in his 40's. hide

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Did you say Hell or Hott?

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hott. hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100806 Read this link people of America. Do we want what comes with the homosexual lifestyle. Gay Pride Parades in your town where you have gay men dressed (if we're "lucky") only in their jock - gyrating their hips in sexually explicit ways. Watch any of the gay agenda videos of their parades and you tell me if you want them in your town. hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Duh!

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:22 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Rollin wrote: "Mine are deleted everyday homo man, so join the club." LOL. We're not laughing WITH you, we're laughing AT you. hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:21 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Regarding the FEDERAL DOMA, DP wrote: "The federal court can only hear cases which involve federal law. This is an issue concerning individual state laws to accept or not accept." Sorry but you guys are not consistently observant :D hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mine are deleted everyday homo man, so join the club.

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show LOL, I posted "Yeah. They are utter cowards." and somebody bothered to delete it!! :D :D hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The gays that have come out from the dark corners of society to show their ugly head needs to be put back into those dark corners. Their perversion should be done in their closets and we shouldn't allow their perversion onto our next generation. Stop this madness. It didn't work during the Greco/Roman days and it won't work today! Get a clue people! hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    So what do the police do if a transvestite "goes missing"?

    Do they put the person's photo on the back of a carton of half-and-half??

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    The federal court can only hear cases which involve federal law. This is an issue concerning individual state laws to accept or not accept.

    People are born with a skin color. People are born with a sex (that would be the part where the doctor says if it's a boy or a girl). Even the pro-gay folks are saying there is no gay gene. Male DNA is different from female DNA. There is no known DNA difference between gay and heterosexual. Skin color, on the other hand, is based on the amount of melanin in a persons skin. This is determined by genes.

    Your arguement is non-sequiter with no basis in either law or case law.

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Gays used to just hide out in the dark recesses of society, but the ol' snake is slithering out from those perverted confines and into the light of society. We need to stand up and kick those those slimy things back into the dark corners where they rot. This sin can't be allowed into civil society. It's perverted and barbaric. Didn't work in Greco/Roman days and it won't work today. hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:30 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Yeah. They are utter cowards. hide

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:38 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 5

    LOL The justice department doesn't want to touch this. They know that DOMA's time is limited but, just like the mixed race marriage issue, the Feds will put it off as long as possible.

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