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D.C. Judge Rejects Efforts to Block Gay Marriage Bill

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

Conservative groups suffered another blow Tuesday when a D.C. Superior Court judge ruled against allowing the issue of same-sex marriage recognition to go to voters in the District.

Judge Judith E. Retchin dismissed a lawsuit – filed by the Alliance Defense Fund on behalf of a group of ministers – that asked to delay enactment of a law recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions. A preliminary injunction would have allowed the referendum process to move forward.

Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md., and a group of ministers have been pushing for a referendum since the Washington, D.C. Council voted in May to recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

In June, the D.C. Board of Elections and Ethics rejected the proposal for a referendum that would allow voters to decide the matter.

The Board said the proposal would violate the District's Human Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination against gays and lesbians.

Under D.C. law, referendums cannot violate the city's human rights laws.

The lawsuit pointed out, however, that District of Columbia Court of Appeals ruled nearly 15 years ago that maintaining the recognition of marriage as one man and one woman does not violate the act.

ADF Senior Legal Counsel Brian Raum argues, “Marriage didn’t violate the Human Rights Act when the HRA passed 32 years ago, and it doesn’t now. That is simply a political argument meant to prevent the people from voting."

"If the referendum violates the HRA, then the marriage statutes that have been on the books since D.C. was formed also violate the HRA, and that is absurd," he adds.

But in Tuesday's ruling, Retchin agreed with the Board.

The judge also noted that the plaintiffs' argument is that they simply disagree with the decision to recognize same-sex marriages.

"At bottom, the harm about which petitioners complain is not based on a denial of the right to referendum. Rather, they simply disagree with legislation enacted by our duly-elected council," Retchin stated. "A citizen’s disagreement with constitutionally sound legislation, whether based on political, religious or moral views, does not rise to the level of an actionable harm."

Jackson called the judgment "absurd" and pointed out that the real issue at stake is whether the people in the District will be give their right to vote.

ADF attorneys have argued that the issue is not whether same-sex marriage is good or bad policy, but whether who gets to decide the issue.

Jackson commented on Tuesday, "The Superior Court today joined the Board of Elections in denying the citizens of the District of Columbia the right to vote on the fundamental principle of what marriage should be in our society."

"No bureaucrat or judge should silence the voters of this great city," he added.

The conservative minister vowed to continue fighting to protect traditional marriage in the District. He plans to file for a ballot initiative with the Board of Elections and Ethics that defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

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  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:05 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    I'm assuming the h is for homosexual. Sorry, I've professed faith in Christ many times because I do have it, and being gay isn't any matter to Christ. I have faith that he will lead me where he needs me to go.

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Mike,

    I know that what i am about to say may not be taken gladly by you but i still pray that you will be encouraged

    You have professed that you have trusted in the Lord Jesus CHrist, therefore, i exhort you to identify yourself as who GOd says you are in CHRist Jesus, washed, cleansed and empowered to live holy for GOd. No longer identifying yourself as the old self where you used to walk --as a h---.

    If indeed, you have trusted CHrist, i refuse to call you and identify as your old self.

    THis is as far as i can go to encourage you.... :O)

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah and DP, I understand what new self/old self means, I guess I was asking Jehovah what I said that made him think I suddenly had a new self.

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Gay is not the way. Go away. hide

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:50 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Yay, I love it when judges userp the will of the people 'sarcasm... hmmmmmm what about all those "leaders" in washington that say they believe and will defend the constitution, I guess they only "defend" it when it suits there purpose. The argument isn't about whether or not you believe in Gay Marriage, it should be about how YOUR Government is userping your rights that are guaranteed in the constitution...

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:21 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Thumbs Up to CP for revising the board to show deleted post. Very fair way to handle it. hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    We can read all the flagged posts!! Thanks CP!

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:58 am : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:50 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:41 am : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:34 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:25 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm : 1 : 0 Flag Delete believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show There is a great deal of difference between "professing" and "confessing" Jesus. Tts 1:16 "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." profess = homologeo 1) to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent 2) to concede a) not to refuse, to promise b) not to deny Phl 2:11 "And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Confess = exomologeo 1) to confess 2) to profess a) acknowledge openly and joyfully b) to one's honour: to celebrate, give praise to c) to profess that one will do something, to promise, agree, engage As you can see, both have a common etymology in "logos" but there is a difference. "Profess" can be done from the sidelines. Confess is done with both feet in. Many profess but few confess. This is the difference between those who hold to a form of Christianity and those who have died to self and live Christianity. hide

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    OUr identiy with Christ
    Gal 2:20 ---I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the {life} which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.----

    While being like Christ is God's goal for every man in Christ, this goal does not just happen to us automatically when we become believers. Instead we are exhorted to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to His good purpose" (Philippians 2:12-13). "Working out" our salvation means that we not only realize our identity in Christ but also the necessity of identifying with Christ.

    As we identify by faith with Christ in His death and resurrection, we are delivered from the power of sin and enabled to live the Christ-like life (Galatians 2:20). When we identify with Christ in His death, we 'consider ourselves dead to sin' (Romans 6:11) and draw on the power of His Holy Spirit to rid our lives of sinful and destructive practices.

    Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality,
    impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry....You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these. (Colossians 3:5, 7-10)


    :O)

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Thanks DP for the introduction to the most exciting phase of salvation in the life of the believer.

    Mike,

    Glad to hear from you. Hope you had a nice weekend.

    Our old self is who we use to identify our self as,. Our new self is our identity in CHrist when God caused us to be born again.

    God's new creation is the product of GOS' power. When the early Church thought of salvation they thought of it as resurrection. No other image was adequate. Salvation was not a small adjustment in priorities. It was a translation from death to life, a complete reorientation of life. They were risen with Christ. Salvation was coming alive from the dead! It is why John, in the famous prologue to his gospel, insisted that those who believe in the name of the Lord Jesus receive the power to become children of God, and are born not of blood or of the will of the flesh but of God.

    God's new creation of which we are a part is the result of the power of God, marked by the authority of the word of God; and it is founded on the redeeming work of God.

    God has redeemed us from bondage to sin and sinful lifestyles. The blood
    of Christ has purchased us from our "futile way of living" in order to give us a new life (see I Peter 1:18-19). This new life is grounded in God's promises and power that enable us to fulfill His original purposes for men. This is clear in II Peter 1:3:

    His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our
    knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world.

    con't

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Hey Mike! Don't want to steal anyones thunder here so I'll give you a place to start.

    Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (and following)

    Eph 4:22-23 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
    And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;


    2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah...while I do thank you much for the kind words, I'm not sure what you mean by old self and new self. I haven't changed, I maybe verbalized an intention, but I have always prayed. Can you explain what you mean?

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:50 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:41 am : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:34 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:25 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm : 1 : 0 Flag Delete believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, certainly will keep this young girl in my prayers!

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wowie,


    That's ok....i did that ,too...lol.

    this is their e-mail:

    info@christianpost.com

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, am praying for that baby also..

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thank you Jehovahnissi, and believer :o) I kept clicking on the email thing at the top of the page and was getting a thing to sign up for CP newsletter lol...

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    will do, DP

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Off Topic


    Important prayer request. I just got an email from some Bible college alum that a 5 year old girl just had surgery for a brain tumor. I'll keep you posted as I find out more. At best it's a long road for this little gal....

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    God bless your heart, believer, you thankful man of GOd ------ :O)

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wowie, I guess Jehovanissi answered your post for me, thanks Jehovanissi!!

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Hey all...the girl I asked you to pray for is still in critical condition, although they did find the shooter. He has already been identified (thank God there was a camera in that intersection!) and he is only 17 years old! "

    I see way too much of this in the news. Why can't these kids have a life?

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If you find a post inappropriate but don't want to post a response please consider ignoring the post rather than flagging it."

    No kidding! I have only flagged someone once, I posted it was me and why I did it. The person agreed and thanked me! People should take ownership of their flagging.

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    To all flagger(s):

    I've been assuming that all here post in good faith. Assuming good faith means that absent any communication of what was found inappropriate, I'm required to assume someone accidentally flagged me.

    If you don't wish to point out specific instances of inappropriateness it would be most helpful if you would simply repost my comment as a quote from me, with the specific instances of whatever you find inappropriate edited out.

    If you find a post inappropriate but don't want to post a response please consider ignoring the post rather than flagging it. This would keep it from popping up as the very first comment that people see and there wouldn't be a proliferation of "Flagged as inappropriate" messages to draw even more attention to the post. Finally it wouldn't keep the topic on the "most comments" list.

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:41 am : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:34 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:25 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm : 1 : 0 Flag Delete believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike85,

    I do pray according to the richness of GOd's mercy and His wisdom that this tragedy will bring about the best that He has purposed in the life of the 5 yr old child, and her family and to all those impacted by it.

    GOD is sovereign,just,holy, and most of all He is love.
    He deals with each and everyone of us in His mercy and grace. He is able to save and will save all those that are His to the uettermost.

    I pray the same for you, young man. Let your newvidentity be in CHRIST and not CHrist identify with your old self. He already identified with with sinners and took upon Himsdelf the penalty of our sins in order that those whom GOd the Father draw to Himself should no longer identify themselves with the old man (old sin nature that is subject to the prince of this world) but to the sinless Savior and Redeemer, who came to destroy the works of darkness and conquer his strongholds.

    If you have trusted in the SAvior you would continue to live a life of repentance, repentance from sin/s that GOd reveals to you (conviction of GOd the Holy SPirit) and dead works (Acts done not in faith).

    A new heart He gives to His people, broken heart and contrite spirit, that depends solely on GOd's mercy and grace, that is acceptable to GOD.

    2Cr 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, {he is} a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

    so... put on the new self, which in {the likeness of} God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. (Eph 4:24).... the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created (you)- (Col 3:10)

    THink on these things..of who GOd's says you are in CHRIST JESUS..and the less you think of your old self-identity the more you will walk in the newness of His life and learn that His WORDS are true and powerful in breaking down of strongholds.

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wowie,

    Good morning,

    Scroll down to the very bottom of this page and you will see "contact us". This is their e-mail--

    info@christianpost.com

    This is my second time to write them.

    :O)

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thank you for the update Mike..

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jehov- i reported this crazy flagging going on , believer. i suggested that the flagger's ID will be indicated on the flagged post/s...

    How do you report them?

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:41 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:34 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:25 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm : 1 : 0 Flag Delete believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    mike, thanks for the update and I'll certainly be praying for this little girl and her family and this young man and his family as well!

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ''snippets of scripture are used against people, like the Word of God is some sort of bomb to be used against people, to destroy people, only proves that I have no place here.''

    I would just like to say that any Scripture I use is not used to ''destroy people'' I as I am sure any other born again Christian would not do that.

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I would like to apologise to mike for accusing him of using the little girls shooting to try and get out of the homo issue.

    I had no proof that this was the case, so I am sorry for that.

    BUT, as for not believing you are saved, mike, that has not changed and you still need to repent.


    As for the phantom flagger, I hope you get banned to teach you a lesson as what you are doing is very wrong.

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:40 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Hey all...the girl I asked you to pray for is still in critical condition, although they did find the shooter. He has already been identified (thank God there was a camera in that intersection!) and he is only 17 years old! He will be tried as an adult, and the most serious crime is attempted murder, since the camera shows him attempting to shoot at another 17 year old. Please pray for the recovery of this poor child as well as the 17 year old man who will undoubtedly be seeing jail time. Lord, help us figure out a system to help our youth most in need of your mercy!

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jn, I've made that same suggestion as well, so who knows with all this flagrant flagging they may do something about it.

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    i reported this crazy flagging going on , believer. i suggested that the flagger's ID will be indicated on the flagged post/s...

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rev, it appears for some reason someone(s) has your and Alockslee's number as they are just flagging you for no apparent reason and on another site I asked them to please stop or at least explain why.

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer: "rev, that explains it but I didn't realize your post had been flagged and sure don't understand why!!" Especially when Christian Post itself has a whole article about changing demographics: www.christianpost.com/article/20090702/united-methodist-members-dying-faster-than-americans/index.html I'll try to remember to put the dates and times of flagged posts into the reposts, so that people can tell them apart. hide

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:25 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm : 1 : 0 Flag Delete believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rev, that explains it but I didn't realize your post had been flagged and sure don't understand why!!

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm : 1 : 0 Flag Delete believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer: "rev, is there a reason you resend posts since I think this is the second one you've resent to me..." Hi believer. The fact that I repost has absolutely nothing to do with you or with your responses. I only repost posts which have been flagged. I assume that all who post here post in good faith. Therefore, when a post of mine gets flagged without explanation, I absolutely have to assume that the flagging was accidental. Hence reposts. hide

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    wow, 28 flags, and not one explanation as to why... there's got to be a better system than this...that's pure laziness

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:44 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer: "rev, is there a reason you resend posts since I think this is the second one you've resent to me..." Hi believer. The fact that I repost has absolutely nothing to do with you or with your responses. I only repost posts which have been flagged. I assume that all who post here post in good faith. Therefore, when a post of mine gets flagged without explanation, I absolutely have to assume that the flagging was accidental. Hence reposts. hide

  • Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:37 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Yeh...no kidding.

    The only polls that show what stoned is talking about are from liberal pro-gay organizations.

    "Pay for a poll. I'll tell you what you want...."

  • Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    rev, is there a reason you resend posts since I think this is the second one you've resent to me, but just in case you didn't see my response back, I said if that is the case then shouldn't the percentages be going toward more people being in favor of same-sex marriage or something to that effect.

  • Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer: "rev, I hate to pop your bubble but if California is like the rest of the nation there is a very good chance if put to a vote Prop #8 will not be repealed because according to a recent poll, I believe it was a combined CBS and Times poll, the percentage of people in favor of same-sex marriage has not increased but rather decreased from I believe 42% to 33%". believer, I don't hate to pop your bubble but its clear that demographics are changing. Supporters on your side of the issue are dying out faster than they are being replenished. hide

  • Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "But I've been perusing for about an hour now, and the vitriolic nature of some of these posts, the way context-less, snippets of scripture are used against people, like the Word of God is some sort of bomb to be used against people, to destroy people, only proves that I have no place here."

    One of the issues I think you are dealing with is many of us have been here for quite some time. Take Mike85 and myself for example. We're quite frank with each other (although neither of us is named Frank) but that comes from a familiarity with each other. There are times when we are ever kurt with each other (even though neither of us is named Kurt) but, as you can see, I'll cut through the compost for him when it's needed.

    Please don't mistake familiarity with hatred. To be honest, I believe he's entitled to vote the way he wants. You will find my posts with him are discussing the behavior about homosexuality and posting the Greek. Quite frankly, if I ever ran into him I'd want to sit down and catch a Pepsi with him. It's not personal (atleast not on my side).


    Still, there are those here who do seem to lack certain social skills. (I think that was the politically correct way of saying it!) There are some of these on both sides of the discussion. In the words of one of my favorite TV shows "the very young do not always do as they are told". Perhaps, with time, they will come along (which is different from the cable and crank device used to pull fence).

    :D

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