Updated 11:59 pm.EST, Fri November 20, 2009

Society|Tue, Aug. 25 2009 01:39 PM EDT

Many Groups Still Believe Health Care Bill Covers Abortion

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Despite the efforts of President Obama, the White House and Democratic leaders to change opinions, many pro-life groups are convinced that the health care bill does allow federal funds to cover abortion procedures.

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    Demonstrators with opposing views on health care wave signs outside of the Florida Alliance for Retired Americans fifth annual town hall meeting on health care reform in Delray Beach, Fl. Thursday Aug. 20, 2009.

Several large pro-life organizations on Monday pointed to a recent article by Factcheck.org entitled, “Abortion: Which Side is Fabricating?” as support for their argument.

The Factcheck.org article asserts that the current House bill “would allow abortions to be covered by a federal plan and by federally subsidized private plans.”

Factcheck.org is a project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. It takes no position on whether the health care bill should or should not allow coverage for abortions.

The article, by the site’s director Brooks Jackson, was in response to the statement released by the National Right to Life Committee following President Obama’s address to religious leaders last Wednesday.

Douglas Johnson, the NRLC’s legislative director, had said, “President Obama today brazenly misrepresented the abortion-related component of the health care legislation…the bill backed by the White House (H.R. 3200) explicitly authorizes the government plan to cover all elective abortions.”

According to Factcheck.org, Johnson is correct in that federal funds will be used to cover abortions.

“As for the House bill as it stands now, it’s a matter of fact that it would allow both a 'public plan' and newly subsidized private plans to cover all abortions,” Jackson wrote.

Though the proposed plan does not require federal funds to be used to support abortion coverage, the analyst explained, it does allow an optional “public” insurance plan to cover abortions.

People with low to moderate income can qualify for federal subsidies to purchase both the public and private plans that cover abortion.

NRLC explained in more detail on Monday that the House bill contains language that allows the federal agency managing the “public option” to collect an additional amount of premium funds to cover the costs of elective abortions. No one would be allowed to enroll in the “public option” without paying the abortion surcharge.

The pro-life group asserts that once the government collects these funds, they are considered public or federal funds.

“When the government uses those funds to write payment checks to abortionists, that is government funding of abortion,” the NRLC argued.

In the latest issue of Time, the magazine's White House correspondent, Michael Scherer, stated that President Obama is “technically correct” when he says that it is “not true” that government will fund abortion, but the statement “does not tell the whole story.”

The proposed House health care reform bill would cause marked change in the federal government’s role in financing of abortions.

“So in effect, anyone who wanted to sign up for the public option, a federally funded and administered program, would find themselves paying for abortion coverage,” Scherer wrote. “[T]he new system differs markedly from the old federal policy of not involving the government in abortion services unless issues of rape, incest or the life of the mother are at play.” Continue »

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  • Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok folks,
    Abortion is wrong, but that is not the real issue here.
    Christians are their brothers keepers. Then again our constitution states "provide for the general welfare".
    Most of the complaints are about "death panels, don't touch my medicare, and don't mess with my social security". Not abortion. The President is against abortion or have you drank the Republican "kool-aid"?
    Remember this is the same party that for ten years had control of Congress and did nothing. This is the same party who wanted to give social security to the stock market and Madoff type of investors.
    By the way the counseling for seniors about options was authored by a Republican.
    If helping secure medical insurance for everyone is bad, obviously you don't have medical bills, denying coverage your even when the same doctor is noted more than once same bill and they pay one charge but not the other.
    It is easy to see how the traditional church is losing members right and left, we stopped caring for the poor.
    Listen to the hype, but remember the meek shall inherit the Kingdom of God, not necessarily the Insurance company leaders and Christians that serve their bidding.
    Do you want to be the rich man or the camel?

  • Mee »
    Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well it does now ... look and see again .. it will aloud government insurance to pay for the murder of our babies .. fact check again.

  • Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:51 am : 0 : 0 Flag Delete Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:42 am : 1 : 0 Flag Delete Larry Craig got flagged! ROTFL hide

  • Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:42 am : 1 : 0 Flag Delete Larry Craig got flagged! ROTFL hide

  • Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:42 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Larry Craig got flagged! ROTFL hide

  • Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Dreamer (10:19 pm) wrote: You know what I think of everytime I hear the "the gays"? Puking." Dreamer, why do you say that? *You* are the one who used that phrase just a few hours earlier: Dreamer (2:38 pm) wrote: "Abortion is the BIG movement of the left, came before the gays." It sounds like you are annoyed toward the person who used the phrase, but the person who used the phrase was *you*. For me, it is difficult to understand you guys! :D Thanks for letting me share in the experience of life with you ... :-) hide

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I think you hit the nail on the head there, weekenderman. There are here hoping to 'tempt' a good little Christian boy into sin. They do seem awfully preoccupied with Christian men who have stumbled.

    You know what I think of everytime I hear the "the gays"? Puking.

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Notice how the homosexuals on this site always think of MEN when they hear certain things? Rocks thinks of Larry Craig and Homo thinks of Ted Haggard. Makes us wonder . . . hide

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Homoousia316: Sorry, whenever I hear a fundie use the phrase "the gays," all I can think of is Ted Haggard. I think of Larry Craig. hide

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:07 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Hmmm...one of this silent communications of mutual heresy? Something that signals one that they are of the ilk of another?

    Do your hookups someplace else.

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show In case anyone is wondering why Rocks' post was flagged (and I know there are those of you who don't like the posts of nonbelievers being flagged because you enjoy the debate) his post was blatantly sexual. Look and see for yourself (it's still there, though it's hidden), and then do a Google search if you want. hide

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Ted Haggard admitted that what he did was a grievous sin and repented of that sin. When are you going to do that, Homo?

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Abortion is the BIG movement of the left, came before the gays." Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahaha. Sorry, whenever I hear a fundie use the phrase "the gays," all I can think of is Ted Haggard. hide

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:38 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Yeah that 'factchecker' site has been touted as a liberal organization who is constantly putting out stuff that is calling the GOP liars in what theu are claiming. They claim they are non-partisan and just reporting the facts, to keep politicians honest.

    I think if they were really liberals touting and agenda as truth that they would not have called Obama a liar about abortion. Abortion is the BIG movement of the left, came before the gays.

    Maybe is it us who should reevaluate factchecker and not be so quick to dismiss them because they call someone we like a liar...maybe they are.

    Right-wing politicians lie just as much to thier constituents as the left wing does. Politicians are all liars telling us what we want ti hear to gain our vote and then doing as they please. Like Bush.

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wait. We're using Annenberg to "factcheck" the left? The author of this article may want to check her resources a little more closely...

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show weekenderman: "Obama offered nothing but lies to get elected..." Oscar Wilde, from "The Decay of Lying": CYRIL: Lying! I should have thought that our politicians kept up that habit. VIVIAN: I assure you that they do not. They never rise beyond the level of misrepresentation, and actually condescend to prove, to discuss, to argue. How different from the temper of the true liar, with his frank, fearless statements, his superb irresponsibility, his healthy, natural disdain of proof of any kind! After all, what is a fine lie? Simply that which is its own evidence. If a man is sufficiently unimaginative to produce evidence in support of a lie, he might just as well speak the truth at once. hide

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I imagine right now that Teddy Kennedy is wishing he made some different choices during his time on earth. And having his name on the Democrat's socialistic healthcare bill is not going to mean a hill of beans when it comes to his eternity.

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Now, as for abortion, if you don't want to have an abortion, then DON'T have one!"

    Tell that to the unborn baby gasping for breath in her mother's womb.

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:58 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    "Please folks, let's consider a woman's choice to include her freedom to choose what SHE thinks is right for her. "

    I have a friend who was born alive after a botched saline abortion. He enjoys being alive but has had to live with the selfishness of what his mother thought was right for her. Maybe our healthcare needs to respect the unborns rights too. My friend thinks so.

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:56 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    " I'm saying that you're all hypocrites because you comfortably accept whatever garbage the GOP throws your way"

    That is the dogma of the democrats! If you can't beat them with facts then attack their character....

    Many people have gotten a "crash course" in the true mission of the liberal Democrats. These include the GOP, other "non-Democrats' and even many within the Democrat party. I have seen more and more Dem Congressmen on FoxNews saying this public option is not what the public wants and the "liberal" Democrats need to listen to what the majority of the voters want.

    So, based on the fact that even some Dem members of Congress are having difficulty with what the liberal Dems are pushing...it is you who are believing whatever the liberal Dems are saying and ignoring reality....

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:32 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Healthcare & Abortion, that's the issue here, NOT name calling of other bloggers. Let's stay focused. Now, whether you believe federal funds should, or shouldn't be used for abortions, I've been (reluctantly)sending my tax dollars to fund War! I don't get the option to withhold money for THAT human atrocity! Now, as for abortion, if you don't want to have an abortion, then DON'T have one! Our tax dollars are doing more harm to (already born) individuals than harm to the un-born. Have you seen the number of Iraqi deaths since 2003, due to tax dollars for "Freedom"? Please folks, let's consider a woman's choice to include her freedom to choose what SHE thinks is right for her. hide

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:39 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    "No, I'm saying that you're all hypocrites because you comfortably accept whatever garbage the GOP throws your way . . ."

    And I'm saying you're full of it, because at no time have Christians (on this blog or anywhere else) "accepted whatever garbage the GOP has thrown our way."

    Christians (and conservatives), in fact, were some of the harshest critics of the 8 years under GWB's Republican administration, as GWB was not much of a conservative either socially or fiscally.

    But you leftists love to parrot whatever your leaders whine about evangelicals.

    I'm telling you, it's ringing on deaf ears on this blog! :)

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:19 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No, I'm saying that you're all hypocrites because you comfortably accept whatever garbage the GOP throws your way and as soon as a Democrat says something that contradicts GOP dogma, you freak out and go into hardcore apologetics mode. Y'all need to spend a long time in front of a mirror wondering whether partisan party-politics or truth is more important to you." Homoousia316 » Whether or not I agree with the above is irrelevant. Dreamer is right about the flagging. Maybe the flaggers will get the message if enough people simply copy and paste the flagged messages. hide

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "Obama=Jimmy Carter"

    Yes, at this rate we'll see the return of the "misery index" again before 2012.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    In the forst 6 months of the Obama administration his poll numbers almost create a vacuum as they fall. Why? Simple. He promised almost everyone everything. I seem to remember posting back in the fall that he was going to tick off everyone because there was no way he could keep all of his promises. GUESS WHAT!!!!

    This is why he is having such a problem with getting anything of substance done. He and the dems have lost their credibility with the moderates and independents. He has not kept his promises and is now trying to shove something down America's throat without knowing what the cost will actually be and not knowing what kind of return on the investment we will get out of Obamacare.

    What kind of idi*t envests that kind of money and not have any idea of the outcome? There's a name for that and it involves putting your money on "21 red"!!! His health care is presented as a gamble during a recession. HELLO!!!

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:17 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    STOP THE FLAGGING PEOPLE!

    We have come to an agreement spoken by most, if not all, people posting here that we will only flag vulgar posts that seek to offend.

    If we all flagged everything each of us considered 'otherwise objectionable' then all posts would get flagged. Only flag if it vulgar, profane, defamatory, racist, obscene.

    In truth, as Rev pointed out, it only draws MORE attention to the flagged post.

    I am starting to wonder if we have a lurker doing this. Many of the regular posters here have agreed not to.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "No, I'm saying that you're all hypocrites because you comfortably accept whatever garbage the GOP throws your way and as soon as a Democrat says something that contradicts GOP dogma, you freak out and go into hardcore apologetics mode. Y'all need to spend a long time in front of a mirror wondering whether partisan party-politics or truth is more important to you." Homoousia316 » hide

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:48 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    How does the GOP come into this? Johnson is a Right-to-Life person. Yes, I'm believing RTL & Factcheck over Obama. His health care plan is socialistic. There are many things we can do to rein in health care like:
    1) opening up insurance to the whole nation. Right now you can only buy state policies, unless you work for GM, Ford, etc, which most people don't.
    2) Increasing the supply of doctors. Right now, the AMA has too much control over the process.
    3) Letting groups of people buy insurance as a group. Right now, that's not possible. This is the best way to get abortion out of the picture completely.
    4) Letting these groups buy prescriptions directly from the manufacturers or from a wholesaler as a group, like WalMart & CVS, etc. are finally able to do.

  • Chas »
    Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:38 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Anytime there is a debate against Obamacare, the person is labelled as unpatriotic, unamerican and partisan politics.

    So, we are partisan when we don't like your position Mr. President. How about that common ground you said you would seek? I haven't seen it yet, but I have seen a lot of Rhetoric.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:48 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 6

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No, I'm saying that you're all hypocrites because you comfortably accept whatever garbage the GOP throws your way and as soon as a Democrat says something that contradicts GOP dogma, you freak out and go into hardcore apologetics mode. Y'all need to spend a long time in front of a mirror wondering whether partisan party-politics or truth is more important to you. hide

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:20 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    Obama is of his father, the father of lies. He's out doing his father's business in this world. From his support to the abortion industry going back to Illinois, his saying one thing, doing another. Just look at the telecom immunity legislation he said he would filibuster, but then voted for. The Bush policies he said he would repeal, but yet continues. The most severe example is support of multiple religions and many ways to get into heaven which is his father's great lie to the world. We know there is only one way to be saved, Christ Jesus, all others lead to the lake of fire and eternal ruin.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:24 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    "None of you worship G-O-D, you all worship G-O-P."

    That's a funny one, Homo. Christians are the most vocal opponents of liberal GOP policies ever, and conservatives spent the last 8 years complaining about the moderate fiscal and social policies under GWB's Republican administration.

    For you to say we worship the GOP makes you look like a fool.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:05 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    "Where is your outrage against the people who lied to you against Obama?"

    Until we're able to see a longform birth certificate for BHO I'll still wonder about his nationality. And some of his policies do in fact reek of socialism/communism.

    But you're saying it's okay for President Obama to lie because lies were supposedly said about him during his campaign??

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:56 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Obama is a liar? This is the guy who was called a Muslim, a communist, and a Kenyan for his entire election, right? Where is your outrage against the people who lied to you against Obama? Oh, that's right, I forgot. None of you worship G-O-D, you all worship G-O-P. hide

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:40 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 3

    "So much so, he no longer recognizes truth."

    I think you are correct. Obama looks people right in the eye and then flat-out lies to them.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:34 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 6

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Obama offered nothing but lies to get elected..." What do you offer and why? hide

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:09 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I think Obama grew up lying in just about every instance. So much so, he no longer recognizes truth. Supposedly, Obama - who pronounced how transparent he's going to be as president - lies about that too. He for some reason not willing to show his long form birth certificate or any college records. Amazing! I believe we have a treason case building. hide

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:00 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 4

    Obama offered nothing but lies to get elected, so why should we expect him to act otherwise once he's in office?

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