Updated 11:59 pm.EST, Fri November 20, 2009

Church|Fri, Sep. 11 2009 06:42 PM EDT

Some Lutherans Return to ELCA After Gay Vote

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

As conservative congregations ponder leaving the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America over its decision to give the green light to noncelibate gay clergy, one minister says there are Lutherans returning to the denomination because of the gay-affirming vote.

"I hope the story of people returning to the church gets told," the Rev. Bradley E. Schmeling told the ELCA News Service. "We hear a lot about those who are in pain because of the changes and talk about leaving."

Last month, during the churchwide assembly of ELCA's chief legislative body, delegates voted 559-451 to approve a resolution allowing gays and lesbians in "life-long, monogamous, same gender relationships" to be ordained.

The vote disappointed many who felt the denomination was abandoning the authority of Scripture. But while some are asking themselves whether they should leave or withdraw funding, Schmeling says he has been receiving letters from Lutherans who left the church years ago and say they intend to return.

Schmeling, pastor of St. John's Lutheran Church in Atlanta, is no stranger to the homosexuality debate. He announced in 2007 that he found a lifelong gay companion. He was removed from the clergy roster but later that year the churchwide assembly voted to encourage its bishops to practice "restraint" in disciplining gay ministers who are in "faithful" same-sex relationships and suggested that such clergy who were removed be reinstated.

This year, Lutheran delegates took it a step further to allow noncelibate homosexuals to be ordained. Schmeling expects the church to enter a difficult period as it moves through the ministry policy changes. But he believes the church will be strengthened through this and hopes they can "figure this out together."

Meanwhile, for conservative Lutherans, Dan Biles, pastor of St. Paul Lutheran Church in Spring Grove, Pa., encourages "loyal opposition."

Although he believes the ELCA has erred in its decision last month, Biles reminds like-minded Lutherans that their loyalty is to the ELCA.

"It is still the Body of Christ, even though right now it is diseased, suffering from an infection of postmodernism," Biles stated.

And in remaining loyal, they must oppose the current direction of their denomination and work to return it back to catholic and orthodox teaching and practice.

"Being the loyal opposition is the harder road to take. It is the way of the cross. It is so much easier to walk out with our heads held high, proud and sure of the rightness of our cause," he noted. "But the Lord Jesus and the witness of the Scriptures tell us this is not the way God’s people operate.

"The path of loyal opposition will require of us patience, persistence, and a high degree of civility. Ranting at the ELCA will not serve our cause. We shall have to walk the narrow road of maintaining respectful contact with our opponents, even while honestly disagreeing with them and refusing to cooperate with the direction they are taking the ELCA."

Sort by: Newest | Oldest | Agree | Disagree
All comments on this page are subject to our Terms of Use and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Christian Post or its staff.
1 | 2 | 3
  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Never flag in zeal" - Romans 12:11

  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:57 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    TLChild said,

    "Whoever is flagging everyone's information must not realize that..."

    Someone is spending all his time flagging genuine Christians' comments and giving multiple thumbs down to them, to make it appear that there are many people opposed to these Christians' comments.

    The Closet Flagger is a sad, pathetic soul, with no meaning to his life.
    Anyone who spends hours on a Christian website to argue the same points over and over again for months, perhaps years - and when he isn't posting he is searching for posters he hates and flagging them or giving them thumbs down.

    What a pathetic existence. So sad.

    TGF
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Flagged as inappropriate means inappropriate for a Christian website, not inappropriate for any website and not disagreeable to you.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:50 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 7

    Gibbons Family,

    You are absolutely right. I believe that if people ignore what Yahweh says, then they will definitely flag His followers' words of truth and encouragement. However, just like they are ignorant to Yahweh's Holy Word and do not know how to interpret simple instructions, laws, and commandments, it is not hard to believe that they would be so ignorant as to not realize that we can still read people's flagged comments, LOL.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:08 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Gibbons Family: "I won't tell you who he is. But I will admit I wasn't looking for him when I accidentally realized he was flagging all over the place. It might surprise you too."

    This sounds like monologue from the book/movie "A Scanner Darkly".

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:42 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 10

    The flagger was reported:

    TLC, those are some hefty accusations. I find its best to just report the flagging to CP (info@christianpost.com) and not try to point fingers.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:28 am Agree: 11   Disagree: 10

    -------------------------------------------------------- The Closet Flagger ---------------------------------------------------------

    TLChild,

    About a month ago there was a Flag War, and then it suddenly stopped. There were several people missing and there was a blissful week of virtually no flagging that I'm sure most people noticed.

    After about a week, a few people returned and there was a massive increase in flagging. The flaggers wouldn't know their return marked a huge increase in flagging, because they weren't here to see the week of no flagging. That's the part that's funny.

    It was easy to figure out who these flaggers were, because when they were gone - no flagging, when they returned - massive flagging. I know who they are too.

    But there is one who never disappeared that blissful week, and he is a regular, closet flagger.
    Because he's a sneak, during that week of no flagging, he also stopped flagging, fearing that if he did, he'd surely be exposed. When the flagging surged, he went back to flagging. But few suspect him.

    I won't tell you who he is. But I will admit I wasn't looking for him when I accidentally realized he was flagging all over the place. It might surprise you too.

    There are people who hate our God and/or have decided to disobey him to the point at which He is disgusted. I don't believe, if we are to obey God's counsel, we should be speaking to those who insist on opposing Him and are Satan's children.
    After we witness to people, we need to make a decision about how many times we'll speak to someone who hates our God and/or hates His Word. Perhaps, if we stopped entertaining these God-haters (who are so obnoxious, none of the pervert sites want them either), they'd just go away, like a foul odor.

    BTW, you can try complaining to CP, but I don't know if that will help you figure out who is the Closet Flagger.

    TGF
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.
    I would never go to a homosexual website, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

  • Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:58 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 5

    TLC, those are some hefty accusations. I find its best to just report the flagging to CP (info@christianpost.com) and not try to point fingers.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:32 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 6

    Garageguy,

    I know that you are the one who is flagging everyone's comments, because the majority of your posts are still showing. Furthermore, the couple of days that you have not responded on this site, so I am assuming that you have not been on this site, no one's comments have been flagged. Therefore, I know that it has to be you, wow, I thought that you could handle the truth. You have not posted any comments on this site from September 19th thru 23rd, you finally post something on September 24th at 7:21 p.m., and I did not have my comments flagged this much, and definitely no one else. YOU CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:07 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 7

    So is homosexuality.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:38 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 6

    Keep laughing, it doesn't change the fact that your behavior is dead wrong.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:12 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 9

    Whoever is flagging everyone's information must not realize that WE CAN STILL READ EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. However, we can at least know for certain that we do not have to read PEOPLE'S INFORMATION WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YAHWEH'S HOLY WORD. Therefore, the one who is flagging is really wasting his or her time, because WE CAN STILL READ THE COMMENTS. As a matter of fact, the one who is flagging is really making others want to read people's comments that have been flagged, because obviously, they may have said something worth reading and it makes scrolling on the site easier and faster, thanks.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now THAT comment was funny.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:56 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Whatever Prophet. You accuse others of twisting scripture and then you ignorantly do it yourself.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    Jesus did insult. But since He didn't insult you personally, you feel it's okay. On judgement day when and He calls you a goat, I'm sure you'll probably be calling it an insult too.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:49 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    Prophet, you act like an unbeliever when you insult, say Jesus would also insult, and pretend the Bible does not condemn your actions. Talk about hypocrisy, you're dishing plenty of it out!

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:38 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    But that's how I would expect an unbeliever to act. So, I'm not suprised.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Naw, it's that you can't handle your own medicine.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:33 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    No, you've found you can't think up your own ideas, you just don't want to articulate that.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    So that's what you mean by piggy-backing. Yeah, I do that all the time. I've found that hypocrites can't take their own medicine.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I have, hypocrite. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:20 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, again, stop piggybacking on things I have said, and please look at your own sins before you go looking at others'. Thanks!

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Whomever is flagging everyone's information must not realize that WE CAN STILL READ EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. However, we can at least know for certain that we do not have to read PEOPLE'S INFORMATION WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YAHWEH'S HOLY WORD. Therefore, the one who is flagging is really wasting his or her time, because WE CAN STILL READ THE COMMENTS. As a matter of fact, the one who is flagging is really making others want to read people's comments that have been flagged, because obviously, they may have said something worth reading, thanks. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I still can't believe the blasphemy that goes on every time a homosexual says that God condones their perverted lifestyle. That is the ultimate libel against God. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Mike, Stop whining. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:48 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Gibbons, what makes me want to throw up is how much you lie and libel the entire gay community, all the while thinking you do so in the name of God. You spit on the blood of Jesus every time you make up some ridiculous assertion such as the one you just did. Prophet, grow up. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:00 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I'll just repost this flagged comment for our Christian members. Such a sickening sin in God's eyes, that God destroyed whole cities because He hates homosexual sex acts that much. Yes, a disgusting, filthy abomination. Vomitous and stomach-churning. Makes me want to throw up. Frightening that they let some of them come into contact with children, as teachers and daycare workers (which they like to do) and touch them. TGF --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the most loving things you can do is to help a homosexual repent and become a normal person again. Voice your concerns with your elected representatives that they are doing far too little to ensure there is enough counseling clinics for those who wish to get cured of this filthy habit. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show You also whine too much. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Speaking of going to heaven. What would you know about it? You'll never experience that. Hypocrite. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:16 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I'll take that as a no. Prophet, you need to stop name calling and reflect on your behavior if you wish to go to Heaven! hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hypocrite. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:16 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Prophet, I hope you feel better now that you've tried to put me down (again.) Have you reflected on your own sins of calling me names, or do you just wish to continue pointing at me and pretending you made no error? hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show 2 Timothy 3:15-17 (Amplified Bible) 15 And how from your childhood you have had a knowledge of and been acquainted with the sacred Writings, which are able to instruct you and give you the understanding for salvation which comes through faith in Christ Jesus [through the [a]leaning of the entire human personality on God in Christ Jesus in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness]. 16 Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God's will in thought, purpose, and action), 17 So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 4:3-5 (Amplified Bible) 3 For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, 4 And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions. 5 As for you, be calm and cool and steady, accept and suffer unflinchingly every hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fully perform all the duties of your ministry. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Blasphemy: Claiming homosexual marriages as legitimate before God, even though God says otherwise. Hypocrisy: Insulting people, and then claiming you don't....and even condemning people for doing what you do. Lying: Claiming to be a Christian, but denying God's Scriptures. Those three describe you best. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show You're also a liar. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:17 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No, I'm really not. I might tell people they're acting childish or unchristian, but I don't people they don't mind others eating feces, nor do I call them ridiculous names like "nancy girl." You are so classically trying to take the light off yourself. As soon as your Christianity is called into question for your actions, you immediately try to shift it to me, and its just silly. People crack on my Christianity all the time on this site. Let's talk about yours, and how YOU blaspheme the Bible by claiming it says nothing to stop you from insulting and name calling! hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Meaning that you are one of the most insulting people on CP. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:51 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Uh...that comment didn't really make sense there. Nice try though. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Right back at ya. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show That has nothing to do with the fact that name calling is against the Bible, which you do quite regularly. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show There's not a true Christian who would support you either. There are many fake Christians who would, but we all know what their judgement is. The truth remains. God created marriage for a man and a woman only. No amount of lying, twisting, perverting, and denial will change that. Keep fighting the truth. It won't change a thing. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:41 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Insulting people is not a good work...hence, you are wrong. Stop arguing this point, there isn't a Christian on this planet who would support you. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The Bible doesn't say anything about insulting people either. So they must both be ok. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Prophet, that never says a thing about same sex marriage, nor does it say every man must marry a woman. The verses I posted, however, show without a doubt that name calling is unnecessary (as it is not a good work) and surely is not pleasing to the Lord! hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Yes, why do you look at the speck in my eye? hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show For this cause a man shall leave his mother and father, and cleave to his wife. And these two shall be one. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:33 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Mt 5:16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to God the Father who is in heaven. 1 Corinthians 13:13 And then these three remain: Faith, Hope, and Love, but the greatest of these is love. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hmm. Homosexuality is a sin. You willfully live in sin. You call yourself a Christian. You're a liar. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No breakdown, I am laughing. You call yourself a Christian, then think its OK to behave in such a way? My goodness, I hope someone else will call you to repentance! You're only making a fool of yourself. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show LOL. Ok, nancy girl. I'll stroke your fragile ego and let you win. I don't want you having a breakdown here on CP. hide

Please help us to monitor our message boards by flagging comments that are unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.
Contact Us if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.
Comment on this story
ID Password

Don't have a Christian Post ID? Signing up is easy. Click Here

  • icon1
  • icon2
  • icon3
  • icon4
  • icon5
The Christian Post reserves the right to terminate the account of any User who violates our Terms of Use.
Advertisement
Advertisement
CP Shopping
  • Jewelry
  • Health
  • Church
  • Gifts
  • Coins

Bracelets | Chains | Crosses | Earrings | Gemstone |

Featured contents & Giveaways
Joolwe :
Cross-pendant necklace
Bethany House Publishers

It was a balmy California evening. I had gone for a jog before I was to speak at a leadership conference. I still can't recall how I got there, but I found myself sitting on a curb

Featured Advertiser Links