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Society|Wed, Sep. 16 2009 10:55 AM EDT

Surveys Reveal 'Widely Divergent' Views of Religious U.S. Activists

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

First-ever polls comparing conservative and progressive activists are revealing to what degree these groups diverge when it comes to issue priorities, issue positions, and beliefs about scripture.

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    Protestors march down Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, Saturday, Sept. 12,2009, during a rally against the president's health care plan and what they say is out-of-control spending`.

While the majority of both groups say religion is important in their lives, for example, they have strikingly different beliefs about scripture. Nearly half of conservatives (48 percent) believe scripture to be the literal word of God, while only three percent of progressives shared the same view, according to the 2009 Religious Activist Surveys conducted by the Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron in partnership with Public Religion Research.

The surveys, the results of which were released Tuesday, also show how religious activists part ways on issue priorities.

While the vast majority of conservatives identify abortion (83 percent) and same-sex marriage (65 percent) as the most important priorities among eight issues listed in the surveys, less than 10 percent of progressive religious activists called abortion and same-sex marriage the “most important” issues.

Instead, progressive activists identify poverty (74 percent), health care (67 percent), environment (56 percent), jobs/economy (48 percent), and the Iraq war (45 percent) as the highest priorities.

Religious activists further split in their views on each of these important issues.

On abortion, nearly all conservative religious activists opposed legalization of the practice (95 percent). In sharp contrast, the overwhelming majority of progressive religious activists support some form of legal abortions (80 percent). Twenty-six percent of progressives say abortion should be legal in all cases and 54 percent say it should be legal in most cases.

Regarding same-sex marriage, conservatives overwhelmingly (82 percent) oppose both same-sex marriage and civil unions. By contrast, 59 percent of progressives support same-sex marriage, and a third say the law should recognize legal agreements between same-sex couples but define marriage as a union between a man and woman.

On health care, only six percent of conservatives agree the United States should have comprehensive national health insurance even if it resulted in fewer choices for patients, compared to 78 percent of progressive activists who say the same.

“If anyone still believed that committed religious activists come down on only one side of any major policy issue, these surveys should finally put that idea to rest," said Dr. Robert P. Jones, president of Public Religion Research. "These activists are faithful, engaged, and have widely divergent views about both the place of religion in public life and the political implications of their faith."

While both conservative and religious activists agree there is a role for religion in public life, the overwhelming majority of progressives (81 percent) say the United States should maintain a strict separation of church and state. In comparison, only 21 percent of conservative activists agreed with that statement.

Conservative activists rather believe America was founded as a Christian nation.

The surveys also found a significantly different makeup of conservative and progressive religious activists. Conservatives are mostly composed of evangelical Protestants (54 percent), Roman Catholics (35 percent), and mainline Protestants (9 percent).

Meanwhile, progressive activists are made up of mainline Protestants (44 percent), Roman Catholics (17 percent), evangelical Protestants (10 percent), and interfaith bodies and groups (12 percent).

Bliss Institute of Applied Politics and Public Religion Research conducted the surveys by polling religious activists affiliated with representative organizations. Random samples of 4,200 progressive activists and 3,000 conservative activists were sent a ten-page survey in the spring and summer of 2009. The mailings produced 1,886 usable responses from the progressive samples and 1,123 usable returns from the conservative sample.

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  • Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:41 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    This isn't the first time I've come across a person who has chosen a nickname such as your "oldstudent". Usually, it's "old", "elder" or something similar, and always with the intention that they will impress all the rest of us with their wisdom and their experience, which they presume no one will question. But it never works out.

    After a while, all but one devoted loner will realize that the person portraying himself as this wise, old elder, is actually a pompous fool, who never acquired "wisdom" over the years, but did polish his "agenda".
    From all ages, they'll attack the imposter with his narrow view whose obvious suffering from 'projection' is clouding his judgment and self-appraisal.

    People who put "old" or "elder" in their nicknames usually presume to speak for others, as if they've been elected by everyone else to do so. This always leads to embarrassing moments for them and their families.
    As someone who has admitted to committing fraud on the Wikipedia website, I find your attempt to assert credibility here based upon your centrist posts even more amusing.

    I like how you combined parts of different posts of mine, and took one out of context - "leaving a foul odor (when the flagger leaves)". It's characteristic. I wouldn't expect anything less.
    As careful readers and fellow Christians-in-common will know, in the two paragraphs where I refer to people who leave a foul odor, I wasn't referring to flaggers at all, but to God-haters, who come here not for information or discussion, but to attack our God, disrupt our discussions, label us with insults. and corrupt any of us if possible.
    Their allies, and most harmful to us, are so-called liberal Christians, who alongside them, attack those of us who are Christians.

    I was discussing something with TLChild, who I found to be on to something. My post was to him. I wasn't talking to you.

    I've looked at your discussions with people, and there is no evidence to support your using "student" in your nickname, as you don't seem to be prepared to learn anything here. You seem more determined to try and impress people with what superficial knowledge you have. There will be some who will be suitably impressed, and you'll be characteristically annoyed at those who are not.
    Neither part of your nickname is justified by the content of the posts I've read, especially your arguments in favor of using gender-neutral Bibles and your call for attacking conservatives and moralists, as you label them.
    All these kinds of comments puts you on a wider road than the one we are on.

    Obedience and Joy,
    TGF
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    The bad thing is that apostates, who don't believe that the Bible is the very Word of God, continue to call themselves Christians.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    GF,

    Either name the flagger or stop making inflammatory and accusatory statements that are in the category of gossip. If you know, say it, if you can't prove it, keep from making a spectacle. Your comments about the flagger being in the basement with mascara running, leaving a foul odor (when the flagger leaves) are not comments of a God-imitator my brother. Repent of this childish insulting and pray for the flagger as we are commanded to do by our King.

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:12 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 1

    To the cowardly flaggers,

    There are sad, pathetic souls, who can't form a point of view, and so flag comments they disagree with. And like cowards, they flag comments without claiming responsibility.

    From what I've seen, if you flag posts because you disagree with them, all of your posts will probably get flagged - forever.

    Never flag and we'll get to read all the ridiculous things others say (if you disagree) or all the pearls of wisdom (if you agree) - and no matter what side you're on, you'll get to read your favorite posters' comments without having to click on "show".

    1) Stop flagging and: we'll all get to read everyone's posts, good or bad.

    2) Keep flagging and: all your posts will get flagged, and you'll have to click on 'show' to see your friends' posts.

    It's your choice. If you've been here long enough to see what happens to people who frequently flag, you'll pick #1 and never flag.
    If you're either new or just plain stupid (you know one of those people who never gets it, ever since they were a kid), you'll pick #2.

    TGF
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    Flagged as inappropriate means inappropriate for a Christian website, not inappropriate for any website and not disagreeable to you.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:11 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 1

    On flagging Christians on a Christian website -

    THIS IS a Christian website, for Christians and others to discuss events relating to Christianity and religious affairs. We are against homosexual sex acts, but we think they are entitled to talk freely without disruption on (homosexual) websites set up for that purpose. THAT is freedom of speech.

    Similarly, we believe that homosexuals should not come to a Christian website and flag any Christians for any reason.

    I would never go to a homosexual website and I don't even know of any. But if I did, I wouldn't join it, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.

    TGF
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    For the Christians... Christ is clear... we are not to throw pearls among swine.... when is enough going to be enough in exhorting the heathens here? jar1961

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:09 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    I know TLChild that I can read the flagged comments, by clicking on "Show".
    And when it comes to you, weekenderman, believer, Daniel Paul and some others that I regularly read, I will click on "Show", so I don't miss what they said.
    The pathetic flaggers, crying in their basement so their mascara runs, should know that flagging these ones' comments does not deter me from reading them.

    I was going to say that one reason I click on "Show" is to find out why they were flagged, but that's no longer true. I've never found a reasonable reason for Christian comments on a Christian website to be flagged.

    I would prefer to read posts, whether they are posted by a Christian or one of the few non-believers that I read, to not be flagged, so I can read them in their original paragraph form. So in this regard, flagging is a nuisance - nothing more.

    What kind of person doesn't mind or enjoys being a nuisance?

    TGF
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    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.
    I would never go to a homosexual website, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:47 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 0

    Gibbons Family,

    You are absolutely right. I believe that if people ignore what Yahweh says, then they will definitely flag His followers' words of truth and encouragement. However, just like they are ignorant to Yahweh's Holy Word and do not know how to interpret simple instructions, laws, and commandments, it is not hard to believe that they would be so ignorant as to not realize that we can still read people's flagged comments, LOL.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:43 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    -------------------------------------------------------- The Closet Flagger ---------------------------------------------------------

    TLChild,

    About a month ago there was a Flag War, and then it suddenly stopped. There were several people missing and there was a blissful week of virtually no flagging that I'm sure most people noticed.

    After about a week, a few people returned and there was a massive increase in flagging. The flaggers wouldn't know their return marked a huge increase in flagging, because they weren't here to see the week of no flagging. That's the part that's funny.

    It was easy to figure out who these flaggers were, because when they were gone - no flagging, when they returned - massive flagging. I know who they are too.

    But there is one who never disappeared that blissful week, and he is a regular, closet flagger.
    Because he's a sneak, during that week of no flagging, he also stopped flagging, fearing that if he did, he'd surely be exposed. When the flagging surged, he went back to flagging. But few suspect him.

    I won't tell you who he is. But I will admit I wasn't looking for him when I accidentally realized he was flagging all over the place. It might surprise you too.

    There are people who hate our God and/or have decided to disobey him to the point at which He is disgusted. I don't believe, if we are to obey God's counsel, we should be speaking to those who insist on opposing Him and are Satan's children.
    After we witness to people, we need to make a decision about how many times we'll speak to someone who hates our God and/or hates His Word. Perhaps, if we stopped entertaining these God-haters (who are so obnoxious, none of the pervert sites want them either), they'd just go away, like a foul odor.

    BTW, you can try complaining to CP, but I don't know if that will help you figure out who is the Closet Flagger.

    TGF
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    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.
    I would never go to a homosexual website, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:32 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Garageguy,

    I know that you are the one who is flagging everyone's comments, because the majority of your posts are still showing. Furthermore, the couple of days that you have not responded on this site, so I am assuming that you have not been on this site, no one's comments have been flagged. Therefore, I know that it has to be you, wow, I thought that you could handle the truth. You have not posted any comments on this site from September 19th thru 23rd, you finally post something on September 24th at 7:21 p.m., and I did not have my comments flagged this much, and definitely no one else. YOU CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:48 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    I assume that you know Rev's personality a little bit more than me since you have been on this site longer, because I thought that he had to be joking with a wikipedia reference in the first place. I have noticed that he says hilarious things based on his statements to me.

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Trek"


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    ROFL. That is hilarious. I was laughing so hard I had tears coming from my eyes. Thanks, Rev, for that moment of humor. I needed it.

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:33 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Rev, I told you to leave the Bible to creationists and focus on Evolution. I am speaking in regards to prophecy. Everything has been fulfilled except the final test that will come upon all the Earth. Therefore, my advice to you is to research and study the Bible and prophecy and correlate it with events that are occurring now. You truly seem lost when it comes to the Bible, I see that my comment went over your head, which I was not speaking to you in the first place. Take your own advice that you gave to me, if you do not see your name in my comment, please do not respond unless you are willing to make sense according to the Bible. Which I shall make a note that when you made your statement, my name was in your post but obviously you did not notice it. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:04 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

    TLChild "I am happy that it appears like we are the last generation"

    According to this timeline there are still about 355 years to go before next generation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Trek

    Therefore it seems extremely unlikely that we are the last generation. QED

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    God is not a conservative or a capitalist or a socialist or a liberal and acting or speaking like God is one or the other (or any combo of the labels we can conjure) is idolatry and trying to make God a politician which He certainly is not.

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Wow, Revelation states that there shall be no more tears, sorrow, pain when Christians are living with Yahweh. Therefore, I am happy that the Bible lets me know that this Earth is definitely not Heaven, because I can still experience pain. Studying Yahweh's Word is powerful. Revelation 21 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Jesus, Paul, and Revelation all say that the end times were coming BACK THEN, not now. According to the New Testament, the end times have already come and gone. The entire Millenium AFTER the end times has already come and gone, hundreds of years ago. If the New Testament prophecies were right, then this IS the kingdom of heaven. We should be working to make it the best it can be, not sabotaging it and planning for its destruction. hide

  • Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show TL wrote: "I am happy that it appears like we are the last generation" People have been saying this for 1900 years, and they had better reason to say it then than you do now. Jesus and Paul both said people should not get married or have children during the end times. If you were right, then people should not be getting married at all, or having children. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hiskid, Hello, and great observation. My heart is sadden when I see terrible things occur. However, when I see sin rising, one does not have to wonder, "Where is Yahweh," because you know that He is judging when you see crisis and terrible weather. Hiskid, I am happy that it appears like we are the last generation, and Yahshua is on His way back. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:49 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    TLChild

    Just read your comment about Katrina. There is another connection to that storm being the judgement of God. It strengthened immediately after pres. Bush forced Israel to give Gaza to the palistinians. Other hurricanes, earth quakes, tornados, and flodding have come upon this land on the heels of our forcing Israel to go against the Word of God, dividing His land. something else quite interesting, was the massive earthquake in LA a good number of years ago now, the one that brought down so many highways. The epicenter of that quake was the porno section of Hollywood. Coinsidence? I don't think so somehow. When we take a closer look, we can find the Hand of Almight God in MANY things!!

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show It appears that Yahweh was tired of the annual homosexual Decadence Parade in New Orleans, and maybe that is why Hurricane Katrina occurred--something to ponder over. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:13 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The California court ruled last May, 2008 that same-sex couples enjoyed the same fundamental “right to marry” as opposite-sex couples. Is there a correlation with the fires caused by lightning? June 25, 2008 | Associated Press According to an article in the Associated Press about 8000 lightning strikes were responsible for starting the 800 recent wildfires in California. Many of these fires are still burning and firefighters from other states are rushing to California to help put them out. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "On August 30, 2005 Hurricane Katrina made landfall near Buras, Louisiana with 125 mph (205 km/h) winds, as a strong Category 3 storm. However, as it had only just weakened from Category 4 strength and the radius of maximum winds was large, it is possible that sustained winds of Category 4 strength briefly impacted extreme southeastern Louisiana. Although the storm surge to the east of the path of the eye in Mississippi was higher, a very significant surge affected the Louisiana coast. " Hurricane Katrina occurred before the annual gay celebration--I wonder if there is a correlation? "The Decadence Parade in the historic French Quarter in New Orleans, La., Sunday, Sept. 4, 2005. The Decadence Parade is an annual gay celebration event." hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:07 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Job 37 5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend. 6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength. 7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work. 8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places. 9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north. 10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened. 11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud: 12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth. 13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy. 14 Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:29 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    Amen, theirdaddy, AMEN!
    Yay, TLC!!!

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:16 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I forgot to add, there were more fires when the courts in California allowed same-sex marriages, I think 800 fires. I thank Yahweh for having a remnant of Bible believers and Bible followers in California; they voted against it.

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:48 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Caritaspromundi,

    I am going to pray for you. There is a rise in the homosexual lifestyle in the United States. Even now, we have young people stating that they are homosexuals, why, because of the Media and society making it as though this lifestyle is normal. Now, they are all thinking that they were born that way. Therefore, there is a rise. All I have to say to you Caritas, keep living and when the storms, tornados, hurricanes, fires, and hail keep occurring more and more, I hope that you find the truth by then. It is amazing that when the ELCA voted to allow homosexual bishops to have partners, a tornado came and destroyed things at their center. My aunt told me that in Atlanta just last week, the city had a homosexual event, and now the rain just seems like it will not stop, before hurricane katrina occurred, I think three days later there was supposed to be a homosexual event. I know that come next June 2010, I will be a fasting and praying sister, because that month is designated for the homosexuals, and I just pray that Yahweh has mercy on us all.

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:19 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    It's amazing that on a christian website we have an article where conservative is used as a bad thing and where the word Progressive which encompasses the social Liberal,Communist and Fascist is seen as a good thing.
    The homsexual, the abortionist and those who believe in a Socialist form of Government solving our problems and taking care of us instead of God(Yahweh)are considered in the mainstream in this article.
    It's amazing to me that those who enjoy the sexualy perverse and the murder of those whom Yahweh Created are considered more and more in the Right than those who at least try to live in the Righteousness of God.

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 11

    One would be hard pressed to find someone as uninformed as TL Child. There is no "rise in homosexuality" , which is a part of nature and whose numbers (percentages) remain constant).Religions and religious leaders ; anxious to have increasing numbers of obedient followers ; have always seen homosexual persons as non-procreative. At the same time they ignore the contributions of homosexuals to every area of human endeavour, throughout the ages. The use of lies and slander will come back to haunt those who engender hatred and its offspring ; violence and bloodshed.As a participant in medical research associated with the previously unkown doors of knowledge from the intense scrutiny of HIV ( research into virology anf immunology); I will spare no effort when it comes to assuring that conservative Christians are not subjected to treatment options obtained on the backs of homosexual patients.

  • MGT2 »
    Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:22 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    TGF, I do, thanks.

  • Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:37 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 7

    Abhodim,

    Thanks for bringing the discussion back to Christ and not a debate on evolutionary theories and creationism or ID. Thank you for reminding us that whether a "l" or a "c" we are to be His children first and not following political labels.

    Without His Spirit to enlighten us and allow us to decide to follow Yeshua of Nazareth, it matters not if one believes in evolution or creationism, that person still is going to Hell.

    LET US WORK TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE!

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:36 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Well, let's see: Macro-evolution is explicitly tied to natural selection. Those that are better able to compete for scarce resources will pass on genetic material to the next generation. The predator, therefore, that is wilier and more efficient will survive; its competitor will not. In some cases this means that one predator-say, an African lion- will kill another predator- say, a hyena.
    Man on his own is a predatory species. If the Islamic predator is a more efficient killer than a secular predator, then he will pass on his genetic material.

    I think you just proved the value of believing in macro-evolution!

  • Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:10 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Here is the danger from believing in Evolution..." The 9/11 terrorists demonstrated the danger of not believing in evolution. hide

  • Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:52 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 1

    PhiloAlethia,

    Great post. Wow. I just read two of yours and they were both simply excellent.

    "When the storm comes only the house built on the Rock will stand."

    If your life is built on the sand of directionless immorality, material possessions and eccentric ideas, it will be swept away by the flood of God's Wrath.
    He's allowed sufficient time, thousands of years, to prove once for all time, that Satan is a liar - His creation need Him to guide them in their lives, for their happiness.
    Those who still oppose Him, when He comes like a thief does in the night, without warning, will find themselves in the same situation as the very wicked did in Noah's day - when they were partying and carrying on, unaware of the signs everywhere.

    Salvation or destruction are your two choices. I urge you to choose now.

    MGT2, thank you my friend. Have to shake my head sometimes, you know what I mean.

    TGF
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    No matter how wicked a person was in their former life, and many were very wicked, people changed when they let Christ help them be a better person. You can too.

  • Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:13 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Ah Lord forgive us all. Too much time and effort at trying to envision our faith in increments of whether we be liberal or conservative. Faithfulness to the Word in our actions in the world, that is the important issue.
    I propose that I speak of being a "bleeding-heart" conservative. Too much rancor at this term because we have politicized it to death. Would we all be of a heart that reflects Jesus' love and mercy.
    Thus I present the idea of the "bleeding-heart" conservative. I see it having two defining terms:
    1) All our actions incorporate faith, so our charitable acts are self-invested. The expenditures are personal, not an allotment to some agency who can do the job for us. We may support such agencies, but personal action reflects such Christian faith. So, our giving to the United Way et. al. can never be the sum total of our life in Christ.
    2) Such charitable activity will be offered in the face of and in spite of the fact that such activity will not once and for all solve all the world's problems for all times. Jesus said "The poor we shall always have ..." (Jn 12: 8). This is not said to deflate charitable living/giving, but to prompt us to realize that such opportunities to display Christian love and concern will be a lifetime experience.
    Shine. Let our lights shine so that your heavenly Father will be glorified.

  • MGT2 »
    Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:30 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    "My point is we have a rich group of believers who are quite knowledgeable (not babes), and these unbelievers DON"T APPRECIATE just how lucky they are, to have such a group in one place.
    I humbly offer my few offerings amidst much greater quantity of pearls and gems that I enjoy reading, reaping much encouragement from them." -Gibbons Family

    Two thumbs up! And ditto!

  • Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:29 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    Social Change may be a valuable endeavor however faithfulness is the crucial predicate to the clear thinking believer. All things done for good without first considering the Lord will crumble for they are build upon sand. When the storm comes only the house built on the Rock will stand.

    AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD.

  • Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:37 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Here is the danger from believing in Evolution - the creation over the creator, Yahweh (God). Roman 1:18-28 sums everything up perfectly and why we see a strong rise in homosexuality. Therefore, to all my bible believing and bible following brothers and sisters, here is your answer to why homosexuals have the mind that they have and those who think this type of lifestyle is normal.

    Reprobate mind : "morally depraved; unprincipled; bad.
    rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation."

    Romans (King James Version)

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

  • Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:12 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Without being;

    1. Convicted (John 16 -) and

    2. Enlightened by the Spirit (Hebrews 6 - For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then fall away, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt [ESV].), humans are,

    3. captives to sin (Isaiah 61 -The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; to proclaim the year of the Lord 's favor... [ESV]) and Satan and, are unable to agree and follow the Righteous One (not just mental assent but bowing the knee instead). So expecting those who are not believers to have appreciation for those who attempt to speak for God as His spokespeople is not biblical nor realistic. We are on a rescue mission here folks!

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:25 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 1

    lpepperw said,

    "ALWAYS LEARNING BUT NEVER ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE
    THE TRUTH."

    It reminds me of those who regularly go to a Christian website, receive pearls of wisdom from God and His Bible via His servants here, but never seem to acquire an accurate understanding of the truth.

    I've read the posts to see if it's not being preached correctly or understandably. And I'm astounded at the gifts that have been brought here by some of the brothers and sisters.

    We have some who are direct and bluntly honest. We have some who gradually get to their point, very gently and trying not to offend (a hard thing to do when you're paraphrasing God - and impossible if you're quoting Him), we have some who use wonderful metaphors...

    My point is we have a rich group of believers who are quite knowledgeable (not babes), and these unbelievers DON"T APPRECIATE just how lucky they are, to have such a group in one place.
    I humbly offer my few offerings amidst much greater quantity of pearls and gems that I enjoy reading, reaping much encouragement from them.

    How can they not get benefit from such a group of truth-tellers? What is wrong?

    TGF
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:50 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 9

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Scrapture. hide

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:36 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

    6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 ALWAYS LEARNING BUT NEVER ABLE TO AKNOWLEDGE
    THE TRUTH.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:13 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    TLChild -"To all my Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters, keep the faith."

    Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet and a Light unto my path. Psalm 119:105
    Amen :o)

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:45 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 3

    To my Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters, always remember when you are ministering the truth to someone and they fail to see the light, remember Romans 16: 17 - 18:

    17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:44 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 3

    To my Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters, always remember when you are ministering the truth to someone and they fell to see the light, remember Romans 16: 17 - 18:

    17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:33 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 3

    To all my Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters, keep the faith.

    2 Timothy 3:15-17 (King James Version)

    15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 6

    Flagged as inappropriate. show TLC wrote: "I have been showing you scriptures from the Bible and you still have not seen the light or believed it." TLC, be reasonable. You have spent 30 minutes on this, and you have not gotten me to break down and cry "TLC I agree with anything you want me to believe regardless of all other sources!" I've been studying this stuff for over forty years TLC. You may very well enlighten me on various points. I try to keep an open mind. But I'm not going to suddenly become a wide-eyed teenager just because that's who you're accustomed to witnessing to. In fact I humbly suggest the possibility that on many topics, some of which we have touched on today, the more seriously people study the Bible, the less they will agree with you. hide

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:29 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    Psalm 118:23-25 (King James Version)

    23This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

    24This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:28 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    More encouraging words from the Holy Bible,

    John 3

    16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:26 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Good Morning to all my Bible believing brothers and sisters, here is a word from Yahweh's Holy Word to you:

    John 14

    1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:16 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show If a "god" deceives people with the express purpose of sending them to Hell, then he is evil. Why would you worship an evil deity? You might as well worship Molech. If you knowingly select an evil deity for worship, and require other people to worship it, then you have to ask what that means about you. It seems to me that that would mean that either you approve of evil - in which case that would mean that you too are evil - or you don't, in which case that would mean that you are a coward. hide

  • Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:48 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 4

    Homosexual Man,

    Now I really understand 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12, because I have been showing you scriptures from the Bible and you still have not seen the light or believed it. Therefore, I understand why Yahweh would just allow someone to believe a lie, because what else can one do. I am giving up on you right now. Yahweh already knows the heart, therefore, I see why He just allows people to go ahead and believe a lie since He knows that they will not turn from their wicked ways. Imagine that I am human, and I believe that there is no hope for you, especially when all I have been showing you is my proof from the Bible and allowing the Bible to be its own intepreter. If the Holy Bible is written by Holy men led by Yahweh, and you are taking the only source that allows me to know who Yahweh is and other people, then why wouldn't Yahweh send you a strong delusion to believe a lie, you are speaking against the only avenue that shows humanity who Yahweh is, now this is my last time communicating with you. Therefore, I repent from saying on my previous comment that that was my last time communicating with you.

    2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (King James Version)

    10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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