Bush 'Day of Prayer' Tradition to End with Obama

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

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With the annual National Day of Prayer just days away, signs indicate that the White House will not hold a formal event to mark the day.

According to Dan Gilgoff of U.S. News & World Report, the White House said it will issue a proclamation to observe the National Day of Prayer on May 7, but will stop short of holding an official White House event.

An official schedule released by The White House for this week shows that President Obama is only scheduled to sign a proclamation on Thursday and then attend meetings.

This marks a departure from the Bush administration, which annually invited National Day of Prayer Task Force chairman Shirley Dobson and her husband, Dr. James Dobson, founder of the conservative ministry Focus on the Family, to the White House to observe the day of prayer.

Notably, however, Obama is returning to the conventional practice of past administrations besides that of George W. Bush’s. Former presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush had only signed a proclamation to mark the National Day of Prayer without holding an event in the White House.

The annual event was created in 1952 by a joint resolution of the United States Congress, and signed into law by President Harry S. Truman. In 1983, the National Day of Prayer Task Force was founded to express the Judeo-Christian view. Shirley Dobson became chairman of the NDP Task Force in 1991 and has held the position ever since. Vonette Bright, co-founder of Campus Crusade for Christ with her husband Bill Bright, was the NDP Task Force’s first chairman, and remains the co-chairman.

In recent years, the Task Force has come under attack by atheist groups who argue that the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional because it violates the Establishment Clause’s separation of church and state.

Last year, a Wisconsin-based atheist and agnostic group filed a lawsuit against President Bush, the governor of Wisconsin, Shirley and James Dobson, and other officials over the federal law designating a National Day of Prayer.

The Alliance Defense Fund has said it will defend the National Day of Prayer Task Force should the case be accepted by the District Court for the Western District of Wisconsin. The legal group argues that public prayer is part of the history and tradition of the country and Americans should be allowed to freely pray without people threatening to silence them.

Millions of Americans are expected to participate in prayer events nationwide for the National Day of Prayer on Thursday. Along with local events, a live webcast of the National Observance in Washington D.C. is scheduled for Thursday morning.

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Daniel Paul »

Fri May 08, 2009 10:27 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 3

"There must have been some darkness exposed in my post and the flagger wanted it removed."

All that flagging is just another form of "hate speech". It's more proof that those who want "hate speech" legislation have no intention of it being a fair law.
Daniel Paul »

Thu May 07, 2009 4:08 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Ooooo...looks like someone forgot their meds again!!!
Forgivensinner »

Thu May 07, 2009 3:15 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

azmike wrote: "Unfortunately, your publication shares part of the blame for this because the title of your article was very misleading."

You may be partially right, but the title does read "Bush Day of Prayer Tradition...". It was Bush's tradition for the Day of Prayer that President Obama was ending not the Day of Prayer, but I agree that headlines can be deceiving at times. One must go alittle deeper to get the facts especially before repeating.
azmike »

Thu May 07, 2009 12:24 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Last night at church a very politically conservative friend ("Jim") came up to me and said, "Did you see that Obama has now banned prayer from the White House?" I told him I refused to believe that, and would not believe it until I saw actual proof. I tossed and turned all night thinking about whether this could possibly be true. This morning I looked it up online and came to this, your article. The text of the article, as anyone who actually took the time to read it, revealed the truth of the matter, which was nearly the polar opposite of the slanderous brush with which Jim was trying to paint the President. Unfortunately, your publication shares part of the blame for this because the title of your article was very misleading. Since some people only skim headlines, this was highly irresponsible and unbiblical on your part. My guess is that you have a prejudice against this Christian president b/c of his party affiliation, and tend to view everything he says and does through that negative lens. Similarly, those of your readers who choose to look only for negative things about him are more than happy to glom on to such misleading headlines to slander him, as Jim did last night. Why read the article when the headline says it all, right? I believe in the Lord who said "My kingdom is not of this world" and "Render unto Caesar, etc." Let's at least try to be fair. As the article indicates, all Mr. Obama is doing is returning to the policy of his predecessors Geo. Bush, Sr. and Ronald Reagan. I cannot imagine a headline as negative as the above for either of those former Presidents when they chose to conduct the National Day of Prayer in the identical fashion as President Obama has chosen to do. But then again, they were Republicans.
RejoiceAlways »

Wed May 06, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 7 Disagree: 1

We are also to lift up Mr. Obama and our country. Our God is a big God.

Let us remember God's Word and that is what the LORD wants for all of us to do is to focus on HIM. Let us not be sidetracked by the schemes of the enemy.

Ephesians 6:12
For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

2 Chronicles 7:14
Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land.

Proverbs 8:14
Common sense and success belong to me.Insight and strength are mine.

Deuteronomy 8:18
Remember the Lord your God. He is the one who gives you power to be successful, in order to fulfill the covenant he confirmed to your ancestors with an oath.
Daniel Paul »

Wed May 06, 2009 11:31 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show "As goes the king, so go his people." Good news --- he ain't our king! I doubt he'll be our President after 2012. hide
SqueakyWheel »

Wed May 06, 2009 10:37 am Agree: 7 Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show It's time for CHANGE! It's time for a new president to replace Obama. hide
viking »

Wed May 06, 2009 1:06 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Tpique
finally good night and be well in the hope of salvation through Jesus Christ.
viking »

Wed May 06, 2009 1:04 am Agree: 3 Disagree: 1

Hi tpique,
perhaps you hadn't noticed I acknowledged the accuracy of your quotes and the fact that many of the founders were Christian. However many others were not including as I showed by their own words the 1st through fourth president of the USA. I am not asking you to post entire documents. But the site you drew your quote from (wallbuilders) are quite open about their agenda and bias. As a result while every quote there is accurate it is hardly complete or balanced in representing the founders. They as we are now were a complex collection of individuals with often widely divergent views. Remember how long it took to get a constitution. It is no surprise that they also had significant divergence in their faith lives as well. You are right that there the evidence regarding the faith of the founders is well documented. Most were Anglican some were congregationalists, some were Quakers, Methodists, Unitarians, Methodists, Calvinists, Huguenots, Catholics, Lutherans, dutch reform church and deists.

You will also note if you read the posts that I did not accuse you of saying that the founders had established the country as a "Christian Nation" However this has been stated on several threads that Believer and I have both been posting on and since it related I mentioned this to him in passing. I apologize if you felt it was directed at you as an accusation which it was not.
Finally as the people of Wall builders know quite well and is clear from the Adams quote you cite is specific and explicit in referencing general principles of Christianity. This is hardly a profession of faith.

In closing I will let the words of Adams himself comment on our dialog.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

and
And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated and applauded, but touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes.
tpique1 »

Wed May 06, 2009 12:21 am Agree: 2 Disagree: 1

And by the way Viking, I don't believe I ever suggested the nation was a "Christian" nation only that most of the founders were. Why would they make the nation "Christian"? It was a given it was Christian in origin. Why would you have to establish something in law that was already a common fact? It was given to the states to decide anyway. (Hence Washington's assertion) They surely weren't influenced by Islam or Buddhism. It was the Christian faith in its many forms whether Presbyterian, Baptist, et al, that gave them the worldview from which they birthed this nation.

And as far as my "selective" quotes, would you prefer I post the the entire document?? How many pages of html would that take here? When John Adams says: ""The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." WHAT'S THERE TO READ INTO??
tpique1 »

Wed May 06, 2009 12:20 am Agree: 1 Disagree: 2

George Washington's faith:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=127

The Treaty of Tripoli:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=125

Liberals would have you believe that all this talk about God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit by most of our founders is part of a greater conspiracy to throw us off the trail to the fact they were really all deists in disguise. Either that or all the founders are schizophrenic.
tpique1 »

Tue May 05, 2009 11:42 pm Agree: 3 Disagree: 0

Viking the evidence is overwhelming regarding the faith of the Founders.It's indisputable.

School yourself:
Were the Founders Deists?
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=113

The deist bent by the way is put forth by revisionists because the very thought of America being influenced by Christianity scares them to death.
tpique1 »

Tue May 05, 2009 11:36 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 0

"The reason that such critics never mention any other Founders is evident. For example, consider what must be explained away if the following signers of the Constitution were to be mentioned: Charles Pinckney and John Langdon, founders of the American Bible Society; James McHenry, founder of the Baltimore Bible Society; Rufus King, helped found a Bible society for Anglicans; Abraham Baldwin, a chaplain in the Revolution and considered the youngest theologian in America; Roger Sherman, William Samuel Johnson, John Dickinson, and Jacob Broom, also theological writers; James Wilson and William Patterson, placed on the Supreme Court by President George Washington, they had prayer over juries in the U. S. Supreme Court room; and the list could go on. And this does not even include the huge number of thoroughly evangelical Christians who signed the Declaration or who helped frame the Bill of Rights."
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 8:19 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Hi believer sorry for getting a little hot there. In future I will include the source of quotes Barclay etc. that I give like this. I really should have done it here but was caught up in responding to the earlier multiple quotes. Lesson taken don't post in a rush. Upon reflection thanks for keeping me accountable.
believer »

Tue May 05, 2009 8:11 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

viking, I didn't in anyway mean to imply you made up those quotes as I know that is not your style whatsoever. As much as we may disagree your integrity and credibility is the last thing I would question!
believer »

Tue May 05, 2009 8:09 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

viking, I constantly hear quotes credited to many people that make them appear as if they have split personalities since many of these quotes are so opposite each other.
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 8:06 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Hi believer,
wow I am surprised. Do you think I made up the Treaty of Tripoli or do you suppose that the Library of Congress and all of the U.S. historians for the past century and a half are in on the scam. Come on, denying the evidence because it conflicts with your point of view is beneath you. You may note I do not contest tpique1's quotes I checked them out and found as I expected that they are correct. Just selectively quoted for effect as were mine. I was just showing this is not as clear cut as revisionists such as wall builders would like to have us believe. I don't disagree with your statement regarding morals and values (I would contend more Judeo than Christian) but that is different than establishing the country as a "Christian" nation which clearly did not happen.
believer »

Tue May 05, 2009 7:16 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Frankly, I impressed he's signing a proclamation acknowledging the event!
believer »

Tue May 05, 2009 7:14 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

viking, this is what we do know about our Founding Fathers, they built this nation on the foundation of Judeo-Christian morals and values. But when it comes to some of the quotes attributed to them I personally am not convinced some of them are true and not based on revisionist history if not a complete hoax in some cases.
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 7:08 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Ok seriously I am not saying that none of the founding fathers were Christians. That is as ridiculous as saying they all were. What I am pointing out is that the claims made against separation of church and state are usually based on myths about the founding of the country rather than history. It is clear that there was a clear and strong sentiment placed prominently in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution to prevent the government from dictating religion to its peoples. This grew out of a healthy aversion to theocracy developed not only in response to the European oppression of minority religions but new ones that sprang up in the colonies. Take for example the poster child for religious colonies Mass. Where under the official religion of the state the state used its power to hang those who disagreed with the official religion of the state. No I am not talking about Salem witch trials rather I am referencing the hanging of Quakers who would not renounce their heresy.
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:51 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Or one of his colleagues

Thomas Jefferson (3rd pres.) - Deist

Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible, removing all references to miracles and the supernatural. He did not believe in the divinity of Jesus, the miracles, the Trinity, or the resurrection.

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites. Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:50 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

Or maybe this guy

John Adams (2nd pres.) - Unitarian

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. John Adams

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. John Adams, Treaty of Tripoly, article 11 (by the way passed UNANIMOUSLY by the Senate of the United States)

But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed. John Adams, letters to family and other leaders 1735-1826
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:47 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

Or perhaps this famous liberal

George Washington (1st pres.) - Deist

George Washington was born an Episcopalian, but did not practice this and his writings and speeches lean more toward Deism. During his presidency he sometimes attended church services but this may have more to do with pleasing the people since he did not take communion and often left before the services were over. After his death the minister of the church, Rev. Abercrombie was asked about his beliefs and stated Sir, Washington was a Deist.

Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their [not our?] religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society. George Washington Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792

Note that Washington wrote their instead of our above.
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Tpique,
selective quoting doesn't tell the whole story. Perhaps you will call me names as well for posting these quotes. Or perhaps you will condemn the terrible liberals who made the statements originally.

Benjamin Franklin (Founding Father, scientist, inventor, philosopher) - Deist

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. Benjamin Franklin Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.

He (the Rev. Mr. Whitefield) used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers were heard.

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.

Some volumes against Deism fell into my hands. They were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyleâ
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:22 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

sorry Wanda post didn't copy will try again
My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years, and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them. Lincoln in a letter to Judge J.S. Wakefield, after the death of Willie Lincoln

He was an avowed and open infidel, and sometimes bordered on Atheism...He went further against Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I ever heard. John T. Stuart, Lincoln's first law partner
viking »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:21 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Wandaj1961,
just to get the facts straight you might be interested in this historical information.

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emeryannharris »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:04 pm Agree: 3 Disagree: 1

MATTHEW 6:5 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

Replace 'standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets' with 'on television and at huge public rallies', and there you have the National Day of Prayer.
SoundDoctrine »

Tue May 05, 2009 5:14 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

I have heard this mentioned beforee --- "As goes the king, so go his people."
shooter38 »

Tue May 05, 2009 4:51 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 7

I will pray and ask the Lord to have mercy on Mr. Obama's soul. People who have no fear of the most high God amaze me!
LovableOne »

Tue May 05, 2009 2:56 pm Agree: 5 Disagree: 7

I have a solution for this!

Pray. Without. Obama. We don't really need him for prayer. We can just go along with National Prayer Day without his approval. :P
tpique1 »

Tue May 05, 2009 1:26 pm Agree: 3 Disagree: 3

"Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants." - Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854

Reports of Committees of the House of Representatives Made During the First Session of the Thirty-Third Congress (Washington: A. O. P. Nicholson, 1854), pp. 6-9.
tpique1 »

Tue May 05, 2009 1:22 pm Agree: 5 Disagree: 3

"The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ." - Congress

Journal of the House of the Representatives of the United States of America (Washington, DC: Cornelius Wendell, 1855), 34th Cong., 1st Sess., p. 354, January 23, 1856; see also: Lorenzo D. Johnson, Chaplains of the General Government With Objections to their Employment Considered (New York: Sheldon, Blakeman & Co., 1856), p. 35, quoting from the House Journal, Wednesday, January 23, 1856, and B. F. Morris, The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States (Philadelphia: George W. Childs, 1864), p. 328.
tpique1 »

Tue May 05, 2009 1:21 pm Agree: 6 Disagree: 10

...but why should we be surprised that liberals who are willing to stand for every immoral and base act ever conceived by the human mind, and who have absolutely NO basis for morality since they have swept God off the stage, why would we EVER think they would not lie? Their lying is absolutely compatible with their secular worldview.
tpique1 »

Tue May 05, 2009 1:18 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 2

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.- John Adams
Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson (Washington D. C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIII, p. 292-294. In a letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. - John Quincy Adams
John Quincy Adams, An Oration Delivered Before the Inhabitants of the Town of Newburyport at Their Request on the Sixty-First Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1837 (Newburyport: Charles Whipple, 1837), pp. 5-6.

Other quotes from other founding "Right Wing Extremist" fathers can be found here:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755

The myth of "Separation between Church and State" as it has been espoused by the revisionists of fringe history is a lie.
novaflare »

Tue May 05, 2009 12:16 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 3

I emailed editor@christianpost.com about the abuse of the flagging system here i think we should all do the same. Include a few examples of comments that are flagged that are not breaking the rules but have been flagged and not yet removed along with link to article the comments are from.
michael-j »

Tue May 05, 2009 11:52 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

ErnestPayne: "Flagged as inappropriate."

Too bad. His comments had 8 thumbs up. I would have liked to see that.
Prophet »

Tue May 05, 2009 11:50 am Agree: 2 Disagree: 10

Flagged as inappropriate. show No suprise about this. Obama is pushing to change the military oath from pledging allegiance to the Constitution, to pledging allegiance to him. Does this scare anyone else besides me? hide
michael-j »

Tue May 05, 2009 11:49 am Agree: 5 Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show "With the annual National Day of Prayer just days away, signs indicate that the White House will not hold a formal event to mark the day." They should call it a "National Day of Talking to Yourself". hide
Daniel Paul »

Tue May 05, 2009 11:09 am Agree: 4 Disagree: 2

If I was the "The Teleprompter" President making the choices I was making I doubt I'd want to come before God right now either....
mcmchugh99 »

Tue May 05, 2009 9:25 am Agree: 4 Disagree: 2

I also think these country would probably be better off with 3-5 political parties instead of just the two.

That way, the evangelicals and their allies could form a Christian Democratic party, like in Europe, and progressives like me would form a Social Democratic party.

Meanwhile, the real Republicans could form a free market capitalist party, which is really the thing closest to their hearts. Back in my church-going days, I would have called it Mammon worship....Anyway, it would be the party of business, Country Club Republicans, people who mainly care about getting their taxes lowered.

Then the Greens would also have their party, and maybe another party of the Center would appeal to all the leftovers who lack firm convictions on most subjects.

Right now, I believe that too many people feel left out of the political process, taken for granted by parties that don't represent their real views.

Michael C. McHugh
http://www.secondprogressiveera.com
v0001 »

Tue May 05, 2009 9:24 am Agree: 5 Disagree: 8

Flagged as inappropriate. show >Truely an Obamanation.... An Obama nation of desolation? hide
DannyPoo »

Tue May 05, 2009 9:23 am Agree: 6 Disagree: 1

As a conservative Christian, I don't necessarily expect Obama to continue a Bush tradition. If Obama doesn't want to personally observe it, that is his choice I suppose. I don't want him to pander to me.
mcmchugh99 »

Tue May 05, 2009 9:15 am Agree: 3 Disagree: 4

So, that National Day of Prayer thing was signed into law in 1952. That was back during the Cold War and McCathyism, when politicians were falling all over themselves to get God into the fight against the Reds, and also prove that they were not â
SoundDoctrine »

Tue May 05, 2009 8:07 am Agree: 10 Disagree: 4

Psalm 33:12 - Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people he chose for his inheritance. - Pray for our leaders and nation.
ErnestPayne »

Tue May 05, 2009 6:02 am Agree: 8 Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show The invisible sky fairy doesn't want prayer in the white house if your invisible sky fairy is "all powerful". hide
Venter »

Tue May 05, 2009 2:38 am Agree: 15 Disagree: 3

From the book of Matthew, Chapter 6

5: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6: But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7: But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8: Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
jcrisp »

Mon May 04, 2009 11:39 pm Agree: 11 Disagree: 0

Flagged as inappropriate. show I don't understand. So President Obama is returning to the tradition followed by every president other than W., and somehow this makes him evil? I understand that it has been nice having a president so vocal of his support for Evangelical Christianity for eight years, but his policies haven't made the world any better. In fact, it has gotten much worse. Maybe it's not so bad to go back to the more muted political presence that our faith played before. It seemed to work much better. It also made it far less likely that any president can manipulate the Religious community by masking their agenda in religious language. I submit that our former president's religious overtures, no matter how personally heartfelt, were engineered to serve this purpose. hide
rolln4him »

Mon May 04, 2009 11:35 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 8

Flagged as inappropriate. show ernest - I think people like you have a last name that fits appropriately - payne. There is no god? - only a fool would ever say that. hide
ErnestPayne »

Mon May 04, 2009 11:32 pm Agree: 8 Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show Good. About time they separated church and state. If you want to pray go ahead but god doesn't exist. hide
rolln4him »

Mon May 04, 2009 11:26 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 6

Flagged as inappropriate. show I think this is his Zen day; complete with incense, petting of the Buddha belly and color-tented glasses. hide

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