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Education|Tue, Jul. 07 2009 07:55 AM EDT

Christian Educators Group Stands Up to 'Goliath' ACLU

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

Christian Educators Association International (CEAI), which has filed a motion to intervene in a lawsuit filed earlier this year by the ACLU against a Florida county school district, says it is the “David” in its battle for religious freedom and that the ACLU is the “Goliath.”

“The ACLU is engaged in a well-financed, systematic campaign to intimidate Christian educators across the nation,” said CEAI Executive Director Finn Laursen on Monday.

“We feel this case is so important that we must take a stand,” Laursen added.

Last week, Christian legal group Liberty Counsel filed the motion on behalf of CEAI, insisting that an overly broad consent order against the Santa Rosa County School District essentially bans all employees from engaging in prayer or religious activities, whether before, during, or after school hours.

“Not only does the ACLU want to strip public school employees of their rights to free speech while working, the ACLU is now arguing that they lose their rights after work and off campus ,” stated Mathew D. Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel and dean of Liberty University School of Law.

Last year, in August, the ACLU filed the complaint against the School Board for Santa Rosa County for the district’s alleged sponsoring of prayer at school events, orchestrating of religious baccalaureate services, and proselytizing of students during class and extra-curricular activities.

In response, the school district attempted to settle the suit by joining with the ACLU and presenting the court with a consent order that “permanently enjoined” school officials from “promoting, advancing, endorsing, participating in, or causing Prayers.”

Without any legal argument or briefing, the judge signed the order, which also bars school officials from “orally express[ing] personal religious beliefs to students during or in conjunction with instructional time or a School Event.”

“The Court’s order, based on the defendants’ own admissions, will help ensure that public school officials do not inject their personal religious beliefs into the students’ education,” said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for the ACLU’s Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief, after January’s ruling.

Liberty Counsel and CEAI, however, argue that the order is so broad that it unconstitutionally infringes on the rights of teachers, administrators, and students.

“The ACLU’s consent order broadly defines prayer, school events, and school officials so that employees who bow their head or fold their hands, pray over meals during their lunch, or voice agreement with another’s religious discussion at any time on school property or at any school event can be found in contempt of court,” Liberty Counsel reported.

“When private third parties use school facilities for after-school religious events or church services, no district employee on his or her own private time may participate or communicate agreement in any prayer or religious discourse, even if he or she is attending the event voluntarily, outside of school hours,” the legal group added.

Moreover, as CEAI’s Laursen noted, the order also forces CEAI members to infringe upon the rights of students and others.

"If we just sit by and allow constitutional religious freedoms to be bullied out of public schools, we will end up surrendering them all together. We are not willing to sit by and see this happen in Santa Rosa County," Laursen added.

As a professional association for Christian educators founded in 1953, CEAI has historically encouraged its members by informing them that they do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse door and that schools are not religion free zones.

In print, through technology, and in workshops and seminars across the country, CEAI also corrects the misconception that prayer has been banned from public schools and that teachers are limited in their religious expression on their own time.

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  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show :O ;-) :-) Thanks believer. In this case, Liberty Counsel are the lawyers for one side of the case. I think they are using us by asking for money to defend a case, and not telling us the truth about it. I have done a quick search and have not yet found anything to support their claim. They might be right, but if they were, I would expect *them* to make it easy to find. I've looked through documents that *they* have posted on the web, and I haven't yet found support for their claim. Some of the documents are long and *still* don't say what they claim, so it's hard for me to trust that they aren't just hand-waving. I suspect they are hoping people will just send them money and that nobody will pay attention to the facts. hide

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hman, hold your heart, but I wholeheartedly agree with you that many times we respond to articles that don't give us all the information and at times give us some misinformation.

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The problem with these "outrageous" rulings is that it usually turns out that we are being misled about what the ruling really was. Remember the now-infamous misrepresentation about the New Mexico photographer? The situation was blatantly misrepresented to us. In this current case, the article says that "Liberty Counsel ***reported*** that employees who bow their head or fold their hands, pray over meals during their lunch, etc" OK, so Liberty Counsel *claims" that employees are not allowed to bow their heads. But does anybody know if their claim is true? The actual events involved multiple occasions where someone called for everyone to participate in public prayers. So I'm not clear whether Liberty Counsel's allegation is true. No need to get our panties in a wad if it's false. Anybody know? hide

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GOd bless you, Wowie and Chdldry.... :O)

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rhi, I know several folks who attended Asbury and I went to school down the road at Cumberland College plus I grew up in Rochester NY and probably hung out in some of the neighborhoods where your son worked in and had friends who lived in those neighborhoods. Ask him if he had the awesome opportunity to have an Abbott's Dutch Almond Custard while in Rochester.
    So from what you said your son attended a private school where this occured and not a public school. Now if it was a Christian school and depending on what denomination it was associated with his experience does not surprise me since my wife taught in a private Christian school heavily associated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church and with the exception of my wife and two other teachers the rest of the staff were all Bob Jones graduates. Having been in the Air Force and having gone to Lackland for Basic and other Technical Schools with my parents living in Austin for a few years I am well aquainted with San Marcos.

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rev, I totally agree with you on the issue of state-sponsored prayer, but what this article speaks to goes beyond the parameters of state-sponsored prayer and to be honest appears to violate the religious rights of the teachers, administrators, and other school employees.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer: "rev, as long as there are exams there will always be prayer in school..." Rightly so. believer: "...and students, teachers, or administrators should not be forced to pray or be forced not to pray privately". Attempting to forbid private prayer would not only be wrong, it would be quite foolish as well. Your example exam points this out. It is only state-sponsored prayer that I object to, and it was state-approved prayer which forced religious minorities to successfully seek redress in the court systems. hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Actually, my son, based upon his academic ability, got a scholarship to attend a private school, eventually becoming an National Merit Scholar. He is currently completing his PhD. However, he no longer has much to do with church. During his early years, he spent his summers on mission trips. He worked in inner city Rochester, NY for Americorps until Bush cut the funding.

    believer - My son went to school in central Texas, a city called San Marcos that sits between Austin and San Antonio, during the administration of Gov. George W. Bush. At the time the Governor appointed as Health Commissioner, his brother's old college friend. The Commissioner, in charge of programs for sexuality education and pregnancy prevention, advocated the rythm method for married couples attempting to avoid pregnancy. Bush also appointed as Commissioner of Education, Rex Moses, a man who attempted to refuse AIDS prevention education money in a state that had the 5th highest number of diagnosed AIDS cases. The Bush legacy lives on under the reign of Rick Perry. BTW, my wife and I went to seminary in KY, at Asbury.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rev, as long as there are exams there will always be prayer in school and students, teachers, or administrators should not be forced to pray or be forced not to pray privately.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rhi, where in the world does your son go to school, I mean I live in Southeast Kentucky and I've never heard of such nonsense going on in a public school. And please know I am in no way doubting what you shared.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think CP fixed the flagging problem!!!

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:39 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Rhi Bran, your letter is a poignant example of why society needs to enforce the laws which keep prayer out of the public schools. No wonder some view the ACLU as heroes! hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Rhi: Your letter is a poignant example of the need for school choice vouchers.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    My son was censored by his principal and the school board. In 7th grade he wrote a paper on AIDS research for his gifted and talented program. He mentioned that HIV is sexually transmitted. His principal (a member of a Baptist ss class that includes a woman leading a campaign against sex ed.)the school board which included a deacon from the same church and a pastor all decided that he would not be allowed to read his paper in class.
    Later, at the junior high award program for the leading students, there was a prayer led by a teacher. Lacking the money to take it to court, I began to write a column in the local newspaper. Among other things, I exposed the efforts in our state by groups including the above mentioned Christian Educators. They work to impose conservative religion in schools. They are anti science based education, anti medically based sexuality education, and oppose any world view not compatible with there version of fundamentalist Christianity. Among the things I discovered, school district funds used to bring a religious singing group from out of state for a teacher training day. The Baptist hymnal being used in school choir practice despite complaints by students. Religious speakers brought in as "motivational" speakers.
    Of course, all the above reflected the religious view of the leadership. No liberal Christians, Jews, or others.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    al, so you think it's okay for a teacher not to be able to say grace before meals or attend a Christian concert or service that is held at the school?

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Alockslee: "ACLU is once again trying to assist S/Ps to obtain a captive audience so that these students can be proselytized to and forced to convert. The mere fact that teachers are in a position to assign grades allows them to retaliate against any student that doesn't follow their ideology. The current status vis a vis the agreement and order prevents the use of said tactics and also alleviates the need to counter the secular progressive invasion of the atheists and liberals to maintain a neutral position by the
    schools."

    See how that works? I can parrot talking points, too.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Wowie
    Thank you very much! Evedently this person is sympathetic to the ACLU.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[c] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
    We must put on the armor of God and pray always.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Got it for you Chdldry :o)

    Oh and saved it just in case flagger gets an itchy finger..

    1 Samuel 17-45-47 NKJV
    David said to the Philistine, You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the LORD Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied.
    46 This day the LORD will hand you over to me, and I will strike you down and cut off your head. Today I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel.
    47 All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the LORD saves, for the battle is the LORDs, and he will give all of you into our hands.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    When God is with us who can be against us.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    1 Samuel 17:45-47 (New King James Version)
    45 Then David said to the Philistine, â

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Wowie, I didn't see the posts, but this flagging is ridiculous as it inhibits discussion and prevents those of us who want to engage in civil discussion. while we may disagree, a poster should be able to voice their position as long as they support it. http://alockslee.blogspot.com/No flagging here TFR hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:41 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Liberty Counsel is once again trying to assist fundamentalists/evangelicals to obtain a captive audience so that these students can be proselytized to and forced to convert. The mere fact that teachers are in a position to assign grades allows them to retaliate against any student that doesn't follow their ideology. The current status vis a vis the agreement and order prevents the use of said tactics and also alleviates the need to counter the religious invasion of the fundies and evangelicals to maintain a neutral position by the schools. Those people who want to maintain their control over the captive students are simply admitting that the students would otherwise ignore them and want nothing to do with them or the fundies/evangelicals wouldn't be trying so hard to change things back to parochial school conditions. This was agreed and accepted by the parties who are in control and the outside entities HAVE NOTHING to say about it. The main reason Liberty Counsel is involved is for publicity, secondary is the desire to assist in forcing ideology on people who should be able to avoid it and be free from it on public grounds. The court should apply the Establishment Clause and interpret the case along the 1st Amendment and then send the Liberty and fundies/evangelicals packing along with sanctions for wasting the court's time. http://alockslee.blogspot.com/No censorship here TFR hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:07 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Alockslee, you are using "fundie" as a derogatory term. This is deliberately abusive, a violation of the TOS.
    Can ya stop the name calling? Is that too much to ask?

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Wowie, I didn't see the posts, but this flagging is ridiculous as it inhibits discussion and prevents those of us who want to engage in civil discussion. while we may disagree, a poster should be able to voice their position as long as they support it. http://alockslee.blogspot.com/No flagging here TFR hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Liberty Counsel is once again trying to assist fundamentalists/evangelicals to obtain a captive audience so that these students can be proselytized to and forced to convert. The mere fact that teachers are in a position to assign grades allows them to retaliate against any student that doesn't follow their ideology. The current status vis a vis the agreement and order prevents the use of said tactics and also alleviates the need to counter the religious invasion of the fundies and evangelicals to maintain a neutral position by the schools. Those people who want to maintain their control over the captive students are simply admitting that the students would otherwise ignore them and want nothing to do with them or the fundies/evangelicals wouldn't be trying so hard to change things back to parochial school conditions. This was agreed and accepted by the parties who are in control and the outside entities HAVE NOTHING to say about it. The main reason Liberty Counsel is involved is for publicity, secondary is the desire to assist in forcing ideology on people who should be able to avoid it and be free from it on public grounds. The court should apply the Establishment Clause and interpret the case along the 1st Amendment and then send the Liberty and fundies/evangelicals packing along with sanctions for wasting the court's time. http://alockslee.blogspot.com/No censorship here TFR hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jeh, chd, I read your posts...thank you for them...please repost...the flagger obviously can't follow the rules, there was nothing abusive, offensive, illegal, racist, or libelous in them...Jeh's post was a passage from the Bible about David and Goliath, and chdldry's post was agreeing with her....was that offensive to you? If you feel so strongly about something that you have to censor, could you please explain why? I really don't think that's asking for too much...

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:49 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Jehovahnissi
    Well said, if only the church would act in this manner. When God is with us who can be against us.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:26 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    David heard Goliath shouting his daily defiance and he saw the great fear stirred within the men of Israel. David responded, "Who is this uncircumcised Philistine that he should defy the armies of God?"

    David said to the Philistine, "You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the Lord Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied ... today I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds of the air ... and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel ... it is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves; for the battle is the Lord's, and he will give all of you into our hands."

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