Updated 04:40 pm.EST, Sat November 21, 2009

Society|Sat, Jul. 18 2009 10:27 AM EDT

Judge Tosses Prop. 8 Challenge, OKs Removal of Calif. from DOMA Suit

By Lawrence D. Jones|Christian Post Reporter

Traditional marriage advocates on Friday lauded the order of a federal judge to remove the state of California as a defendant in a lawsuit challenging the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

They also hailed U.S. District Judge David Carter’s decision to throw out a challenge to Proposition 8, California's constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

The plaintiffs in the lawsuit, Arthur Smelt and Christopher Hammer, had claimed that both Prop. 8 and the federal DOMA violate the U.S. Constitution, specifically the Equal Protection Clause.

The two men filed the suit in December 2008 – five months after they obtained a marriage license in California during the short period same-sex marriage was legal last year.

In his ruling Thursday, Carter said California is no longer an appropriate target in the DOMA case because the gay couple who brought it got married in California before voters approved Prop. 8 in the last election.

Also, because the California State Supreme Court recently held that such marriages would remain intact, they had no "injury" or standing to challenge the measure, the judge ruled.

"The twice-expressed will of the people of California for traditional marriage is under assault from many lawsuits, but our recent string of victories in both state and federal courts is very gratifying," commented Andrew Pugno, chief legal counsel for ProtectMarriage.com.

"ProtectMarriage.com will continue to fight for marriage and fight to defend the will of the people, no matter what course and no matter what legal theory they conjure up," Pugno added.

While California will be removed as a defendant to the DOMA lawsuit, the U.S. government remains a defendant.

Portions of the case will be heard in August with the next hearing is scheduled for Aug. 3.

The U.S. Department of Justice is arguing to uphold the Defense of Marriage Act, which prevents the U.S. government from recognizing same-sex marriages.

Sort by: Newest | Oldest | Agree | Disagree
All comments on this page are subject to our Terms of Use and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Christian Post or its staff.
  • Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    SQL

  • Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:00 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hyperion wrote: "AND SINCE when do I hate? ... Funny though, HMan, you won't hate Satan, you're lavishly serving him rather well.lol" OK so you claim you don't hate me, and then you call me a servant of Satan. One of your problems Hyperion is that you don't recognize that your name-calling *is* hate. Worse than that, your calls for violence against gay people do seriously cross the line. hide

  • Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:10 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "GOD WINS" Yes Hyperion. And you lose. Well, at least your hate loses. God is Love. Garageguy, thanks for bringing us your gentle reminder of the truth from time to time. :-) Hope everybody's having a great day! hide

  • Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:03 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    gg: From the article:
    "In his ruling Thursday, Carter said California is no longer an appropriate target in the DOMA case because the gay couple who brought it got married in California before voters approved Prop. 8 in the last election.

    Also, because the California State Supreme Court recently held that such marriages would remain intact, they had no "injury" or standing to challenge the measure, the judge ruled."

    That's the reason the State was dropped as a defendant. It's in the ruling. Also, your link is to an opinion piece, not an unbiased article, and it does not say anything about why the decision was made.

    Sorry that the facts disagree with your rant. I guess that facts are bigoted, huh?

  • Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:46 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show This article conveniently only tells the half of the story that makes the anti-gay churchgoers feel more smug. Typical. How about telling the whole story? For example, no mention of the fact that California was removed as a defendant because the State of California offically agrees with the plaintiffs. Just ask Attorney General Brown. Just a matter of time until this discrimination against gay Americans ends. Maybe you should start now and get a head start thinking of other things to spend your time, energy and money on that actually help people rather than trying to keep loving couples you disapprove of from legal equality. For anyone who is interested in the whole story not just half of it: http://tiny.cc/Kkiso hide

  • Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    A: Could ya just STOP the name calling? Huh?

    Yes, I flagged your last one, because you are being like a kid on the playground. Grow up.

  • Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:12 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Alocksee
    What's wrong with being Christian, fundamental, evangelical? Why are you offended by those who go by such titles?

    Also, why do you insist on saying your posts are not answered when they are for the most part answered clearly, succintly, and articulately? Then you claim they aren't answered? Why?

    Do you not have love in your heart for those who disagree with you?

  • Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Long Distance High Five DP!!!

    LOL, Abhodim!

  • Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:25 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    wowie »Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:09 am (wow looks like you guys stepped on some toes :o) )LOL, I'm feeling so sorry for the person who has nothing better to do than sit on their butt and flag posts....guess what flagger, I read the flagged ones FIRST!! (LOVE the "show" button!!) So, if you think your flagging is keeping our comments from being read, it might just be backfiring on you :o)
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    In response: Flagging a post prevent quoting the original text directly. It puts an extra burden to completely retype the original post and people here besides me rarely quote the original post in full, in fact the quoting is not even done in context for the most part.

    The better thing to do is to remove the flag button completely and leave the posts up, that way you can quote them and the censorship promoters would be prevented from stopping discussion.

    http://alockslee.blogspot.com/Where are the written words of Jesus?
    TFR

  • Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:18 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show weekenderman »Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:44 pm It looks like the homosexual pervert flagger has been busy tonight! ---------------------------------------------------------- In response: The flagging has been directly primarily to close down those of us who speak against the fascist agenda of the fundies and evangelicals and not those of the those who proclaim their christian ideology. More of my posts alone were flagged since none were refutable and none have been. So the pathetic attempts to remove the truth is so typical by the fundies and evangelicals as they can't and never will accomplish forcing their ideology upon those not brainwashed by dogma and scare tactics. Why haven't any of you self proclaimed evangelicals and fundamentalists been able to answer the questions of this blog post? The answer is obvious, you got nothing and with that being the factual truth admit your entire ideology is based upon a fabrication. http://alockslee.blogspot.com/Where are the written words of Jesus? TFR hide

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Yun, this was not a democratic "vote" to remove California as a defendant. It was a Constitutional necessity. If you have not suffered injury, you have no standing to sue.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP is correct. We need to show the trolls the love of Christ. I just wish there was a way they could be prevented from deleting the posts of others. A simple, more comprehensive, form of registration should do the trick.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Here's the deal. Yeh, there are quite a few things that can be done to make life a bit easier around here. The problem is that those like our flagger are the one's who need to be here the most. This is a mission field of sorts.

    The best thing we can and should do is show the love of Jesus to them. I know it sounds quaint but it is the truth of the matter.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    This software is ridiculous. One troll can hide any post he wants? This site needs a serious rethink and overhaul, and the ranks of posters need a combing.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The most enjoyable Christian blogs I've been a part of over the past 5 years (www.worldmagblog.com, www.allthingsbeautiful.com, www.betsysblog.com) have had an actual moderator who responded to complaints about abuse. The only other option to excessive flagging would be to have posts moderated before they're actually posted, but again that might be too much work for those who run this blog.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Wowie,
    I love the show/hide button too. Still, there has to be a point where flag requests are rejected, or if flagged, a way to get innocent posts voted "back on the island.
    Perhaps a forum where specific words, phrases allow for immediate accepted flaggings (Use "fundie" or "perv" calls for one-shot flag, ten-click restoration; lack of flaming lingo calls for 10-flag, one click restoration.
    Flagging is just inherent insecurity in the process called dialogue.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:49 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Report the Flagger :o) info@christianpost.com ... lol

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:11 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Looks like someone forgot their meds again.... :)

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:06 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    The U.S. Department of Justice is arguing to uphold the Defense of Marriage Act, which prevents the U.S. government from recognizing same-sex marriages.


    -------------------------------------------------------
    PRAISE THE LORD!! "But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel." (Psalm 22:3)

    Remember:


    The Lord inhabits the praises of His people.

    For the LORD [is] good; His mercy [is] everlasting; and His truth [endureth] to all generations. (Psalms 100:5)

    Jam 4:6 But He gives a greater grace. Therefore {it} says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:09 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show (wow looks like you guys stepped on some toes :o) ) LOL, I'm feeling so sorry for the person who has nothing better to do than sit on their butt and flag posts....guess what flagger, I read the flagged ones FIRST!! (LOVE the "show" button!!) So, if you think your flagging is keeping our comments from being read, it might just be backfiring on you :o) hide

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:18 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    To Diana626,

    I see one wrong thing in your argument. There are no groups stating that adultery/fornication, etc should be legal to the point that everyone must morally accept it...that everyone must change their moral opinion of these actions or else be labeled a sexual bigot & if they speak out against them, that they should be ostrasized (as many homosexuals & their supporters have already done).

    I also agree that we should clean our own house first and that's exactly what the church has done. Where do you find any Christian committing adultery and defending it? When it has happened to public Christian figures, either they have admitted it & asked for forgiveness or their flocks have pretty much abandoned them.
    Just because Christians hold to one standard but have trouble keeping it, doesn't make us hypocrites, it makes us what we really are, forgiven sinners. But we still hold to the standard that God reveals to us in His Word, the Bible.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mine got through. Wonder why? Puzzled in Disney World.

  • Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hmmmmm

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show It looks like the homosexual pervert flagger has been busy tonight! hide

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:54 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    I agree, DP. It's wonderful to finally see someone non-Christian here admit that homosexuality is a sin.

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    Dear Gibbons Family,

    You said, "It isn't good for countries to separate into many different kinds of people... a strong country is one where the majority are like-minded on moral values."

    So how would you propose to solve this problem that you see? I'm perfectly happy with having Latino neighbors, deaf neighbors, Muslim neighbors, straight and gay neighbors. In fact, our Constitution allows them to hold whatever moral values they wish and speak about them whenever they wish.

    What it doesn't allow for is a theocratic state of religious conformism, which is what you seem to be advocating.

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:05 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    "So called "traditional marriage" advocates turn a blind eye to adultery and fornication while chasing down sodomites...
    hypocrites
    Maybe they should clean up their own houses first?"

    First, thanks for admitting that homosexuality is a sin. If it wasn't then the whole "clean your own house first" "board in your own eye" arguement would be for nothing.

    Second, adultry is illegal. The "hypocrites" took care of that along time ago. As for fornication, it was the liberals that allowed that to be legal with the "consenting adults" thing to allow for things like homosexuality.

    Since you feel so strongly about the fornication thing, do help support us in making marriage between one man and one woman. From there we may be able to work on dealing with fornication.

    Based on your arguement, for you to not help us would make you a hypocrite!

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    So called "traditional marriage" advocates turn a blind eye to adultery and fornication while chasing down sodomites...

    hypocrites

    Maybe they should clean up their own houses first? You know, take the log (sexual immorality and divorce) out of your own eye, and then maybe you can help the sinner (sodomites) take the log our of theirs.

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:21 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 4

    It's hard to believe that it's not the west coast, but the east coast that is descending into the filthy abyss. Let them fight this out in Obama, Clinton and Kennedy land and may California burn Hollywood and San Francisco to the ground - before God does.

    It isn't good for countries to separate into many different kinds of people. Just like a healthy church of one mind and one spirit, a strong country is one where the majority are like-minded on moral values.

    When a country continues to separate into many different kinds of moral values, as a few churches have done, that country will descend into moral chaos and decadence. Like some churches have found, all the good people will leave.

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:00 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    LOL, DP! :)

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:13 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    DOMA is not a state law. Where did their lawyer go to law school...China?

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:41 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Yun, this was not a democratic "vote" to remove Califrnia as a defendant. It was a Constitutional necessity. If you have not suffered injury, you have no standing to sue.

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    democratic is not always right, what had happened will cause disharmonic, cold relationship, eliminate others; in fact people living in the state that un-realistic.This Great Country will continue seperate into "many different kinds-group people"; what benefits peoples will have from this decision?

Please help us to monitor our message boards by flagging comments that are unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.
Contact Us if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.
Comment on this story
ID Password

Don't have a Christian Post ID? Signing up is easy. Click Here

  • icon1
  • icon2
  • icon3
  • icon4
  • icon5
The Christian Post reserves the right to terminate the account of any User who violates our Terms of Use.
Advertisement
Advertisement
CP Shopping
  • Jewelry
  • Health
  • Gifts
  • Music
  • Coins

Bracelets | Chains | Crosses | Earrings | Gemstone |

Featured contents & Giveaways
Joolwe :
Cross-pendant necklace
Zondervan

Struggling to succeed in the Nashville music scene, talented singer/songwriter Parker James finds the competition fierce even deadly. A young woman's murder, industry corruption, a

Featured Advertiser Links