Christian Nurse Forced to Assist in Late-Term Abortion

amaranth »

Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

You are so right, Jar! I was just going to write something similar when I read your post.

If the Administration wants to take away conscience rights, then I propose that every health care worker (nurses, doctors, etc) who is opposed to abortions quit.

You cannot be forced to do anything. Unless you are physically bound or drugged, you still have a choice. If the hundreds of thousands of people that claim to be pro-life in this field simply walked out in protest to such an action, the Administration would have no choice but to let the conscience rights laws stand.

reformation »

Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show Take a break and look at my new t-shirts http://skreened.com/reformed hide

weekenderman »

Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:23 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

"We should stnd up and tell the administration they are dead wrong. In 2010 we will. We will take the Congress away from that Kenya native..."

Amen!

jar1961 »

Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:09 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

I find what happened a prelude to the beginning of the persecution of the western church. In order for the tree of faith to grow occassionally we must be willing to face persecution.. however.... ho one can be "forced" to do anything.... there comes a time to make a choice.... the nurse should have not participated. No job no earthly coersion should be an excuse for not following the call of the Holy Spirit. Thats part of the problem with the western church.... we do not want to give up anything to gain what we can not loose.

Daniel Paul »

Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show We should stnd up and tell the administration they are dead wrong. In 2010 we will. We will take the Congress away from that Kenya native.... hide

Blacksho89 »

Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

re: SQL Errors:

Do not use apostrophes; the system rejects them for some reason.

If you get an error message, you can copy and past your comment from the message, delete the apostrophe, and post.

mary12cups »

Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:51 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

People who wish to debate the flavors of Christianity or of prolifers miss the point of the article. Our rights are in jeopardy. The hospital has decided to ignore the current guidelines. This is just a preface to the Obama administration getting rid of conscience protections. I hope the nurse wins her suit.

mary12cups »

Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:41 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

I am getting SQL errors when i attempt to ost as well. Here is the crux of the matter. the current administration has led the movement to get rid of conscience protections. If they ahve their way, then believers will be compelled to perform abortions or particpate. We should stnd up and tell the administration they are dead wrong. They think Christians, Catholics, Orthodox and others who believe abortion is wrong are powerless and will roll over and play dead. I think the administration is wrong. If you have a Congressman check their voting record and let them know you do not want to pay for abortions and you want conscience protections kept.

mary12cups »

Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

test post

Blacksho89 »

Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Hyperion: Please re-read my post. I did NOT say that all RCs are Christian, any more than all SBCs, UMCs, or PCAs.

Denomination /= Salvation.

JonnyBlad »

Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Law of God
http://polemos.net/Law%20of%20God.html

Quotes- Law and Grace
http://polemos.net/Quotes%20Law%20and%20Grace.html

Daniel Paul »

Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"Does anyone have problems posting on the forum and get syntax errors? "


There must be an new SQL module that came out. When that happens...TWILIGHT ZONE....

mathetes »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:49 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

Here are two other passages we should also consider:

3. Acts 15:7-10
7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; 9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?"

Of what yoke does Peter speak? The Law of Moses including circumcision, which the Pharisaical Christians wanted to force on the Gentile believers. Peter said trying to make the Gentile disciples keep the Law of Moses = putting God to the test. Do you remember what happened to the Israelites in the wilderness when they put God to the test?

4. Ephesians 2:13-16
13 "But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both {groups into} one, and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, {which is} the Law of commandments {contained} in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, {thus} establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity."

Paul wrote that Christ abolished in His flesh/body the emnity, that is, the Law of commandments in ordinances (the Law of Moses). Before you again quote Jesus in Matt. 5, are you saying Paul is wrong, that he was not inspired by the Spirit of God to write this free from error?

Idie, it really is not as hard to understand as you are trying to make it. Jesus fulfilled all that the Law of Moses demands in His perfect obedience and perfect sacrifice - the dietary, ceremonial, and sacrificial laws are fulfilled, as He Himself said in Matt. 5. His followers are expected to keep the moral laws found in the 10 commandments and summarized in the 2 Great Commandments (Matthew 22:37-39). Paul added:
9 For this, "You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "you shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the Law. (Romans 13:9-10)

mathetes »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:14 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

idie,
You wrote, "Paul is not even talking about the commandments. He is talking about the law of sin and death."

You are talking in circles without answering my previous questions (Thurs 11:23 p.m. post). Remember, you were the one who said, "Let me ask you a question and then if you can answer my question, I will answer your question." Still waiting....

For your convenience, I will repeat two of my questions here:

1. Galatians 5:1-3
1 "It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law."

Paul is talking about circumcision and the Law; is circumcision part of the Law of Moses or the law of sin and death?

2. Romans 3:21-22, 28-31
21 "But now apart from the Law {the} righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even {the} righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe. . . .
28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God {the God} of Jews only? Is He not {the God} of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. 31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

What other Law could Paul possibly link to the Prophets (v. 21), except the Law of Moses?

Just two questions. Looking forward to simple answers.

Blacksho89 »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:56 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

In Romans, Paul speaks much of the difference between being a slave to the Law, and a bondservant of Christ. How can we be free in Christ? Are we free to live in sin, then? Certainly not!
The answer to this question that seems easiest to understand is that the Law brings only condemnation. That is, that when we were slaves to the Law, we kept looking for loopholes. That is why there are 613 mitzvahs in the OT-to close up the loopholes. And you know what? People STILL find loopholes!

For instance: Elevators that automatically stop on every floor on the Sabbath so that the observant dont have to push a button, and are therefore not TECHNICALLY operating a piece of machinery. Thats a loophole that is approved and called Kosher by the same blind Pharisees that Jesus longed to gather, as a hen gathers her chicks.

Under grace, Jesus works in our hearts to help us obey his OVER 1,000 commands! We do not worry about technicalities, because if we are truly open to Grace, His Spirit will act on our conscience and teach us His will, how to love Him with all our heart, soul, mind, strength-how to love our neighbor as ourself.

idie, you have been taught a false Gospel by the same legalists that the Jew Peter argued against in the Jerusalem Council, the same legalists that the Jew James, the Lords brother, wrote against.

I am glad you claim no religion. I would pray that you study a systematic theology from accredited sources, as the legalists are enslaving you to the Law from which Jesus redeemed you.

ProFamily1 »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Paul used secular law.

Blacksho89 »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

idie: Please read Acts 14:29.

Thank you.

idietolive »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

Mathetes
((((You are mistaken: those were not my words; Paul wrote that in his Letter to the Galatians (5:1-4) under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.))))

Mathetes Paul is not even talking about the commandments. He is talking about the law of sin and death. Is not the sin which dwelled in us before we came to know salvation burdensome and a very heavy yoke?

How is not charging a fellow believer interest, wearing Tzitzit, not eating filthy unkosher food, not having sex with a member of your own sex, committing fornication, lying, stealing, not speaking of other Gods, and so many more I cant even begin to list, BURDENSOME?????

These are not burdensome. What is burdensome is living a life of sin because the face of the L-rd and His spirit flees from you.

Matter of fact, how do we even know what is a sin if it werent for His laws? Sin is a transgression of the law. How would you know what to repent of if it werent for that???

idietolive »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Blacksho89

According to your statement, Bob and barry can marry each other and have sexual relations.

Why can they do this? Because Blacksho89 says the laws no longer apply. Oh and martha can have relations with her dog.

Cold or hot. You have to choose one. You cannot be both. Either you follow His word completely or turn your back and walk away. Do not cut and paste which commandments your going to observe.

idietolive »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Blacksho89

(((The commandments, YES. The Law, NO.

Acts 14:29, Galatians 5:1-6)))

What an oxymoron! What do you think the commandments are, multiple choice? The law is the commandments.

By our faith we are freed from the law of sin and death. We have passed from death unto life. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

Please explain to me what law other than sin and death we no longer have to observe? What laws did G-d renege on?

idietolive »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Blacksho89

I am not part of the 12 tribe commonwealth. I do not have a religion.

Blacksho89 »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

idietolive:
Are you part of the Twelve Tribes Commonwealth?

Blacksho89 »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The commandments, YES. The Law, NO.

Acts 14:29, Galatians 5:1-6

idietolive »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

chdldry
What you said is true but the laws are in the first five books of the bible. It is the moral compass of the world. It is what Yeshua based His ministry from and it is what HE followed while here on the Earth. Christians would get Jews by the hundreds to believe in their Mashiach if only the CHRISTIANS would DO what YESHUA COMMANDED them to do. Jews cant stand Christians because of their lawless unbelieving lifestyles enriched with paganism. Do you want to witness to the jew FIRST and also to the greek? Then you take up the Mashiachs yoke and learn from Him. Stop creating your own philosophy based on sinful desires!

YOU WILL NEVER GET A JEW TO BELIEVE IN YESHUA UNTIL YOU LIVE THE LIFE YESHUA LIVED. Yeshua was a jew and so were the apostles.

idietolive »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

This question is to any and all Christians who may read it and wish to comment.

I want a yes or no answer. If you say no, defend your statement with scripture.

Are those who place their faith in Yeshua obligated to observe and KEEP the commandments?

chdldry »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The Torah consist of the first 5 books of the bible and all of Gods word consist of the 66 books of the bible.

Blacksho89 »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

idietolive:
Are you part of the Twelve Tribes Commonwealth?

http://www.twelvetribes.com/

Daniel Paul »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:38 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

"Moreover, documents indicate that the procedure was not an “emergency” and was not classified as such either."

Some hospital administrator is going to be in BIG do-do...

mathetes »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

idie,

I agree with your post down to Gen. 15:6. But I must correct your comment: "You keep saying the commandments of the L-rd are burdensome and its a yoke of slavery."

You are mistaken: those were not my words; Paul wrote that in his Letter to the Galatians (5:1-4) under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

You sound just like the shopkeeper in Jerusalem who loved to ask his favorite questions of Christians, but would not answer the questions that we asked of him. He also refused to talk about Paul AKA the Pharisee Shaul; the shopkeeper called Paul a traitor and would not answer any questions about what Paul had written.

So the ball is in your court: if you want to continue our dialogue, I look forward to your answers. If not, that is fine too. Either way, may the Lord bless you and keep you.

idietolive »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

mathetes

No one has ever been justified by the law. Salvation has never come by the law that is not its purpose. Salvation HAS ALWAYS come through faith and faith alone.

As it is written.

Abraham believed G-d and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Genesis 15:6

You keep saying the commandments of the L-rd are burdensome and its a yoke of slavery.

Then why did Yeshua ONCE AGAIN, command us to follow His commandments?

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Matthew 11:28

What was His yoke? The torah. As it is written;

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:46

If you remember, the gospels and the new covenant was not written yet when he spoke of His yoke.


Satan does not want us to follow G-ds commandments. Never has and never will.

May the L-rd bless you and keep you.

mathetes »

Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:30 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

idie,

Sorry, one more thing. I just saw your comment under the "Ex-Worship Leader..." article:

"The reason I left Christianity is because it is unbiblical and composed of cut and paste theology."

So help me get this straight: you were lost and became a Christian, then left Christianity because it was unbiblical and became Jewish? Is that right? And now you are a Messianic Jew?

mathetes »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

idie,

Let me make a couple of comments since I will be on the road tomorrow and I do not know when I will be back online.

First, the way you insert your own words into scripture is bizarre and confusing. If you want to be clear, post the scripture and put your comments before it and/or after it.

Second, "Here is a kicker for you. Notice how Paul says (Law). This word even in the greek is singular not plural. The law he ALWAYS speaks of in his letters is the law of sin and death."

Wow. "ALWAYS"? Sorry to inform you, but that is not the case. Example #1: Galatians 5:1-4
1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."

It is obvious that Paul is talking about the Law of Moses in v. 3: "I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law." Is circumcision part of the Law of Moses or the law of sin and death?

Example #2:
Rom 3:21-22, 28-31
21 But now apart from the Law {the} righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even {the} righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe. . . .
28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God {the God} of Jews only? Is He not {the God} of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. 31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

Again, it is obvious Paul means the Law of Moses since he mentions it in conjunction with the Prophets (v. 21). Thus your contention (Paul ALWAYS means the law of sin and death) is incorrect.

I pray your sleep is restful and you awake refreshed and alert. Shalom.

mathetes »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

tribtrooper,

Nice to meet you; I am Mathetes. Since my first days in seminary learning Hebrew, I have had a special place in my heart for all Jews and desire to see them come to know Yeshua. One of the leaders of the Messianic Jews in New Orleans was a good friend of mine; I have lost touch with her and her family since Hurricane Katrina.

Glad to have you aboard. Shalom.

tribtrooper »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:36 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

idietolive
Yes the Torah is the rock of the entire Bible, cover to cover, Old Testament and New, Genisis to Revelation. Do you believe Yeshua is the Son of God, that he is the I Am God who appeared to Moses? Yeshua told the Pharasees that if they had believed Moses they would believe Him because Moses wrote of Him. You sound like you might be a Messianic believer. My leanings are toward the Messianics, but I attend a baptist church with my husband because he is uncomfortable with the Hebrew.

tribtrooper »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:27 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 6

Gnosticgirl
Catholocisim is a cross between paganisim and Christianity, intentiionally that way by the vatacan. The queen of heaven was a pagan deity in the book of Jeremiah. We are commanded to have no graven images before us, yet the catrholics pray to Mary, and a whole cast of saints. We are told to call no earthly man our father, but their priests are Fathers. We are told to confess our sins the Jesus Christ, yet they confess them to a mere mortal. They dare to call the pope the Vicar of Christ, meaning literally Christ on earth. They take a vow of celebacy, and HOW many posps were succeeded on the throne by their own sons? Christmas? Dec 25 was the suppose dbirth date of Sol Evictus the sun god. Easter? The pagan fertility celebration to Ishtar, complete with bunnies hard cooked eggs and new clothing to attract the opposite sex for an orgy. I prefer Resurrection Sunday myself. There are a few true believers in the catholic faith, but not many. They claim to love Jesus, but they as a whole hate the Jewish people and Israel. The pope loves Islam, BTW.

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Mathetes
I wish I could keep posting but its getting late and I need sleep. We shall continue this study at a later date.

Be blessed in Yeshua, idietolive

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

tribtrooper

I am a Jew.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Matthew 7:24-25

The torah is the rock.

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Dont get me wrong. I do not hate Christians because they are my brothers and sisters. What I hate is the spirit of lawlessness which has spread like cancer in the church. Its becoming a tumor and has grown like wildfire since the council of nicea. The enemy knows his time is short so what better way to deceive the masses then to twist G-ds commandment like he did in the garden.

What an incredible idea. If satan can convince people they no longer have to obey G-d, he wins, AGAIN! Did Adam and Eve die as soon as they disobeyed G-ds commandment? No. They just entered into a life of pain and suffering and had to rely on their faith that G-d would redeem them from the law of sin and death which entrapped their souls unto Yeshua came to free the captives. Its the same sin, different wrapper.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

tribtrooper »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:10 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

idietolive
You seem to know a fair amount about Torah and the bible yet you are not a Christian. Are you Jewish?

I agree that the catholic faith is a mixture of Christianity and paganisim but there are saved people in the catholic church just as there are lost people in the protestant churches. It is not the building you sit in that makes you a Christian but whether you KNOW Jesus or just know about Him. You can sit in a garage and call yourself a car that does not make you one.

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

Mathetes)- My comments are in bold

Rom 7:4-6 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law(WHAT LAW DID WE DIE TO WHEN WE ACCEPTED YESHUA???)WHAT LAW NO LONGER HAS DOMINION OVER US SINCE WE HAVE BELIEVED ON HIM WHO G-D RAISED FROM THE DEAD???) through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were {aroused} by the Law(OF SIN and DEATH),(THE LAWS OF G-D CANNOT TEMPT A MAN TO SIN)IF YOU WANT PROOF OF THAT I WILL SHARE) were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law(OF SIN AND DEATH), having died to that by which we were bound(ARE NOT ALL MEN BOUND TO THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH UNTIL THEY BELIEVE ON THE RESURECCTION AND THE LIFE???), so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. (HOW DO WE RECEIVE THe SPIRIT??? BY FAITH) BUT REMEMBER...FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD) :-O

Here is a kicker for you. Notice how Paul says (Law). This word even in the greek is singular not plural. The law he ALWAYS speaks of in his letters is the law of sin and death. Why in G-ds creation would a G-d fearing Jew tell others that what G-d has COMMANDED to be observed forever, no longer applies.... He wouldnt

Do you see the spirit of lawlessness yet?

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

Mathetes

Here is the response to Acts 10:11-15

Lets start with a few simple facts.
1. Paul was a G-d fearing Jew. Paul knew, like ALL G-d fearing Jews know, the laws of kashrut(kosher) are to be observed until Olam haba(the world to come). Meaning a person is to keep the kosher laws all your life.
2. Paul knew G-d does not renege on His commandments. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Malachi 3:6
3. Since he knows AND observes the commandments, Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean Acts 10:17 He knew it was G-d speaking to him in the vision but he didnt understand what G-d was saying.
4. Besides the previous reasons Ive given explaining the vision wasnt about unclean foods, this is also an indicator. The vision said unclean animals and things right? The problem right there is no SPECIFIC animals are listed. Their is a whole laundry list of unclean foods. G-d is not the author of confusion. If He wants you to do something, He will plainly tell you, NO GUESSWORK!
5. Later on in the scriptures we find out the meaning of the vision. The vision didnt have anything at all to do with kosher laws.

Here is the meaning of the vision
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. acts 10:28

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

mathetes

Have Heaven and Earth passed away???? Hmmm, I dont think so...

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished.

Hey mathetes. Have Enoch and Elijah come to Jerusalem to oppose the lawless one as foretold in revelation???

Noooooo...

Do you now see the spirit of lawlessness which you have been deceived by? Dont get frustrated because I once made the same argument.

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:37 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

Why did the apostles continue in Yeshuas word? Because they knew He was the same G-d who spoke to moses on the mountain. Which is why the continued following Torah. Even though the Torah has only around 613 commandments, a great deal of which no longer apply because of Yeshuas death and resurrection. The law of sin and death was repealed which removed the sacrificial laws on the altar. He was the final and perfect sacrifice as it is written in the tanakh. For those who do not believe in Yeshua, the law of sin and death still applies.

For G-d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Blacksho89 »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:50 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

There seems to be a problem when posting apostrophes. Try removing them and see if the post makes it.

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Does anyone have problems posting on the forum and get syntax errors?

Blacksho89 »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:02 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

Are Catholics Christian?
When we look at the most commonly accepted definition of Catholic- that is, one whom in infancy was baptized in a Catholic church, by a priest, we will see that there are millions of people who are culturally Catholic. They self identify as Catholic, but may not have been to Mass in years. This can easily be compared to cultural Christians who call themselves Christian but really dont know what that means.

If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

This is the definition of Christian. So indeed, people who call themselves members of an apostate church CAN be saved. It is very possible to have no idea of the teachings, and to be secure in the knowledge that Christ is Lord and Saviour; to love Him by keeping His commands (Love the Lord; Love your neighbor). To be a Christian. There are people who attend my congregation regularly who have not accepted Christ, even tough they call themselves Christian. Likewise, there are Christian men and women in Catholic churches who do not follow the pope and the priesthood, but the King of Kings. And that is why I used the term bigotry to describe the ridiculous statement that Catholics cannot be Christian.

mathetes »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

idie,

I understand; I had to remove all my apostrophes before it would let me post my comments. I will be in class soon but will check back later tonight.

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Mathetes your comments are not according to knowledge. I will show you the scriptures which will refute your claims. You cannot look at the new covenant without knowing the old covenant

mathetes »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

I should also include 1 Corinthians 8-10 and all of Romans 14, of which two verses are part (vv. 2-3):

2 "Some believe in eating anything, while the weak eat only vegetables. 3 Those who eat must not despise those who abstain, and those who abstain must not pass judgment on those who eat; for God has welcomed them."

idietolive »

Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I have two very big comments to add to this forum and I have to wait to get home to do so? SYNTAX ERRORS!