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Society|Fri, Jul. 31 2009 03:24 PM EDT

100,000 Mainers Hope to Overturn Gay Marriage Law

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

Traditional marriage supporters in Maine submitted petitions containing 100,000 signatures in hopes of overturning the state's new same-sex marriage law.

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    Rev. Buddy Gough, of the Stand for Marriage campaign, carries a box of signed petitions to the Secretary of States office following a news conference Friday, July 31, 2009 outside the State House in Augusta, Maine. The group collected more than 100,000 signatures and are seeking a referendum in November on the state's new gay marriage law.
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    Rev. Bob Emrich, of the Stand for Marriage campaign, gestures to boxes of signed petitions during a news conference Friday, July 31, 2009 outside the State House in Augusta, Maine. The group collected more than 100,000 signatures and are seeking a referendum in November on the state's new gay marriage law.
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Just months after Maine became the fifth state to legalize marriage for gay and lesbian couples, opponents delivered well over the 55,087 signatures required to send the issue to the November ballot.

"Because of you, Stand for Marriage Maine is one huge step closer to giving the people of Maine, not politicians, the final say on the 'same-sex marriage' law," Ryan Harnden, grassroots director of Stand for Marriage Maine, told supporters.

The Secretary of State's office has until Sept. 4 to certify the signatures for a people's veto referendum.

Stand for Marriage Maine was formed a month after Gov. John Baldacci signed legislation in May allowing same-sex couples to wed. Their signature collecting effort, if successful, would suspend the law from taking effect until a vote is held.

"An issue as important as the institution of marriage should be decided by the voters," Bob Emrich of the Maine Jeremiah Project, which is part of the coalition, said earlier.

Proponents of same-sex marriage, meanwhile, announced this week that they have over 60,000 Mainers who have pledged to vote "No" on a marriage referendum.

"These 60,000 pledges, collected by Maine volunteers and the campaign’s professional field staff, demonstrate that our grassroots effort is a campaign about Maine, by Maine people and consistent with Maine values,” said Jesse Connolly, manager of the No on 1/Protect Maine Equality campaign.

Stand for Marriage Maine supporters, however, believe voters will restore the traditional definition of marriage.

"In thirty other states in America, when voters have had their say, they have voted for marriage as between a man and a woman,” noted Brian Brown, executive director of National Organization for Marriage, which is also part of the Maine coalition.

The Institute on Religion and Democracy pointed out in a new paper that it is judges who have delivered almost all the victories for same-sex marriage while voters have preserved the traditional definition of marriage.

"California voters in November 2008 overturned their court’s decision. Voters elsewhere (such as Massachusetts and Connecticut) might have done the same, if their legislatures had given them the opportunity," the IRD paper states.

Maine voters are hoping for the opportunity this year.

The Maine Family Policy Council congratulated Stand for Marriage Maine for the successful petition drive but cautioned the coalition against becoming overconfident.

"Victory in November is not a foregone conclusion," the council stated. "Our opposition has unlimited financial resources, a clever propaganda campaign which plays on traditional Maine values, and that most powerful factor of all, the support of the media and the liberal establishment."

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  • Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If the majority still won't come out from the thought that homo is more sinful(God punish)they will never dare to change. They'll always be the majority and win during voting(until forever,because they thought this's based on God's word), but, then, what shall we get?(hierarchy.....)is this the benefits(blessings)from God ?We just only read the outward-meanings of Scripture, but we don't even think deeply or do a bit research(because we thought "this's "the word from God).

  • Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Please, homo(gay marriage) is not more sinful than hetero(man-woman marriage). Please, let's Maine gain more blessings(benefits) when human unite-love(affirm-accept-adopt the different) and when the equality happens( hetero,homo all the same from sinful body but nature be possible can accept).Gay marriage goals same as man-woman marriage, most of LGBT who are mature they wants the permanet-commitment relationship and to bring firm to our society-country.Trust them!

  • Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    After the winned majority there's facts that : more discriminate,eliminate,proud,bitterness,cold relationship, division, isolation,hierarchy . Read carefully the words of God(Gen3 ;), here we know :heterosexual and homosexual is same not normal(but nature); see! hetero or homo happened after human falled into sin. Non of us can be proud or thought they themself is sacred ; we who ask people to repent they themself need repent too, it's self-righteousness seemed as Pharisees.

  • Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Perhaps now is a good time to talk to our families about being careful and watching out for perverts in our neighborhoods.

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    Building Safer Communities

    TGF
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    One of the most loving things you can do is to help a homosexual repent and become a normal person again. Voice your concerns with your elected representatives that they are doing far too little to ensure there is enough counseling clinics for those who wish to get cured of this filthy habit.

  • Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 19

    Flagged as inappropriate. show TL CHILD- Maybe God struck New orleans because he doesn't like black people? Or he killed boy scouts last year with lightning because he doesn't like their teachings on gays... With just a little thought (come on, try it!), anything can be manipulated into your point of view I go with the golden rule-do unto others....that's all God really cares about-anything else is evil (yes, that includes blocking consenting, law abiding adults from enjoying equal rights) hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show It appears that Yahweh was tired of the annual homosexual Decadence Parade in New Orleans, and maybe that is why Hurricane Katrina occurred--something to ponder over. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "On August 30, 2005 Hurricane Katrina made landfall near Buras, Louisiana with 125 mph (205 km/h) winds, as a strong Category 3 storm. However, as it had only just weakened from Category 4 strength and the radius of maximum winds was large, it is possible that sustained winds of Category 4 strength briefly impacted extreme southeastern Louisiana. Although the storm surge to the east of the path of the eye in Mississippi was higher, a very significant surge affected the Louisiana coast. " Hurricane Katrina occurred before the annual gay celebration--I wonder if there is a correlation? "The Decadence Parade in the historic French Quarter in New Orleans, La., Sunday, Sept. 4, 2005. The Decadence Parade is an annual gay celebration event." hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The California court ruled last May, 2008 that same-sex couples enjoyed the same fundamental “right to marry” as opposite-sex couples. Is there a correlation with the fires caused by lightning? June 25, 2008 | Associated Press According to an article in the Associated Press about 8000 lightning strikes were responsible for starting the 800 recent wildfires in California. Many of these fires are still burning and firefighters from other states are rushing to California to help put them out. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Job 37 5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend. 6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength. 7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work. 8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places. 9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north. 10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened. 11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud: 12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth. 13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy. 14 Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God. hide

  • Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show It appears to be a correlation with the rise of homosexuality and terrible weather. We have young people stating that they are homosexuals, why, because of the Media and society making it as though this lifestyle is normal. Now, they are all thinking that they were born that way. It is amazing that when the ELCA voted to allow homosexual bishops to have partners, a tornado came and destroyed things at their center. My aunt told me that in Atlanta just last week, the city had a homosexual event, and now the rain just seems like it will not stop, before hurricane katrina occurred, I think three days later there was supposed to be a homosexual event. There were more fires when the courts in California allowed same-sex marriages, I think 800 fires. I thank Yahweh for having a remnant of Bible believers and Bible followers in California; they voted against it. I know that come next June 2010, I will be a fasting and praying sister, because that month is designated for the homosexuals, and I just pray that Yahweh has mercy on us all. hide

  • Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    How the APA removed homosexuality from its Manual of Mental Disorders in 1973
    http://www.blowthetrumpet.org/IsHomosexualityaMentalDisorder.htm

    Report Shows Gay Activist Influence on Mental Health Organizations
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/feb/06020902.html

    How the Mental Health Associations Misrepresent Science
    http://www.narth.com/docs/TheTrojanCouchSatinover.pdf

    Facts About HOmosexuality
    http://www.ucmpage.org/articles/facts_about_homosexuality.html

    APA 'ignoring the science' on homosexual reparative therapy
    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=634346

    APA Sexual Orientation and Therapy Task Force Report: An Analysis
    http://www.christianpost.com/article/20090806/apa-sexual-orientation-and-therapy-task-force-report-an-analysis/index.html

  • Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:30 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    A good thing for all of us to ponder teddyrux.

    TGF

    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    For every Christian who is being contentious I offer this piece of insight from one of the reformers.

    "Contentious disputes arise from the fact that many think less honorably than they ought of the greatness of divine wisdom, and are carried away by profane audacity." John Calvin

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Would all the people who are flagging posts because they disagree with them, please stop or leave?

    RevShnorrRocks said,

    "To all flagger(s):

    I've been assuming that all here post in good faith. Assuming good faith means that absent any communication of what was found inappropriate, I'm required to assume someone accidentally flagged me.

    If you don't wish to point out specific instances of inappropriateness it would be most helpful if you would simply repost my comment as a quote from me, with the specific instances of whatever you find inappropriate edited out.

    If you find a post inappropriate but don't want to post a response please consider ignoring the post rather than flagging it. This would keep it from popping up as the very first comment that people see and there wouldn't be a proliferation of "Flagged as inappropriate" messages to draw even more attention to the post. Finally it wouldn't keep the topic on the "most comments" list."

    I agree with this person. Only posts that are completely "inappropriate" for a Christian website should be flagged.
    Flagged as inappropriate doesn't mean Flagged as disagreeable.

    TGF

    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:14 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I'll repost this flagged comment for our Christian members.

    When you're involved in some place, it sometimes isn't as apparent to you as it should be how much the environment has gradually decayed. (This is how the western world has decayed since the 1970's, without most people noticing just how bad.)
    Christian newcomers arrive to the place you've been in for some time, and they are shocked how unchristian this place is and wonder what you are doing here.

    We are told to not be a part of the world, but not to take ourselves out of the world. We are to let our light shine.

    With unbelievers, I believe God has clear instructions on how true Christians are to handle them and their questions. With those who are argumentative about what we preach, we are to give them a couple of warnings, Then if they persist in their perverted arguments, we are to turn away from such ones.
    If we don't, we grieve and risk losing God's Holy Spirit which guides us. If we continuously disobey God in this matter, we certainly and needlessly place ourselves in a spiritually dangerous position.
    Is that God's Word or not?

    I ask you brothers these three questions,

    However solid you think you are in your faith, are you putting your spirituality in danger by continuously engaging with someone who is repeatedly arguing with your scriptural teaching and is obviously a Hater of God and His Good Teachings?

    Are there any scriptures that clearly tell us what God's Word is regarding what we are counselled to do by God when dealing with unbelievers who oppose God's Word we are sharing with them and repeatedly argue against us over the same issues?

    Are there any scriptures that clearly tell us the danger we are putting ourselves in by not following God's Will when dealing with unrepentant and rebellious unbelievers?

    Brothers, let us consider these questions for a moment and let God's Holy Spirit guide us to a solution that finds us obedient to God's Good Counsel.

    TGF

    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Not sure everyone has seen this post, and we want all brothers to have a chance to consider it before we turn the page. So we're gonna post this a couple more times where different brothers are speaking on fresh topics before we move on. We trust we have your approval. -------------------------------------------------------------- When you're involved in some place, it sometimes isn't as apparent to you as it should be how much the environment has gradually decayed. (This is how the western world has decayed since the 1970's, without most people noticing just how bad.) Christian newcomers arrive to the place you've been in for some time, and they are shocked how unchristian this place is and wonder what you are doing here. We are told to not be a part of the world, but not to take ourselves out of the world. We are to let our light shine. With unbelievers, I believe God has clear instructions on how true Christians are to handle them and their questions. With those who are argumentative about what we preach, we are to give them a couple of warnings, Then if they persist in their perverted arguments, we are to turn away from such ones. If we don't, we grieve and risk losing God's Holy Spirit which guides us. If we continuously disobey God in this matter, we certainly and needlessly place ourselves in a spiritually dangerous position. Is that God's Word or not? I ask you brothers these three questions, However solid you think you are in your faith, are you putting your spirituality in danger by continuously engaging with someone who is repeatedly arguing with your scriptural teaching and is obviously a Hater of God and His Good Teachings? Are there any scriptures that clearly tell us what God's Word is regarding what we are counselled to do by God when dealing with unbelievers who oppose God's Word we are sharing with them and repeatedly argue against us over the same issues? Are there any scriptures that clearly tell us the danger we are putting ourselves in by not following God's Will when dealing with unrepentant and rebellious unbelievers? Brothers, let us consider these questions for a moment and let God's Holy Spirit guide us to a solution that finds us obedient to God's Good Counsel. TGF The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches. hide

  • Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Gibbons, I pray that your family will swim out of the web of horrific lies you have spun for them!

  • Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:12 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Give this some thought and you may change your position.

    Rather than be close-minded, I think it's helpful to discuss this issue with as much information as possible.
    Whether you're for or against, these links should help fill in some important details everyone should know:

    Do you question the integrity of your countries' medical associations?
    Here's a very interesting link that tells the story behind why and how the American Psychiatric Association made its determination and removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from its Manual of Mental Disorders and other Sicknesses

    Link - http://www.blowthetrumpet.org/IsHomosexualityaMentalDisorder.htm

    How Activists Influence the Issue and the People involved

    Link - http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/feb/06020902.html

    Facts about Homosexuality (what you might not know)

    Link - http://www.ucmpage.org/articles/facts_about_homosexuality.html

    TGF

    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Give this some thought and you may change your position. Rather than be close-minded, I think it's helpful to discuss this issue with as much information as possible. Whether you're for or against, these links should help fill in some important details everyone should know: Do you question the integrity of your countries' medical associations? Here's a very interesting link that tells the story behind why and how the American Psychiatric Association made its determination and removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from its Manual of Mental Disorders and other Sicknesses Link - http://www.blowthetrumpet.org/IsHomosexualityaMentalDisorder.htm How Activists Influence the Issue and the People involved Link - http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/feb/06020902.html Facts about Homosexuality (what you might not know) Link - http://www.ucmpage.org/articles/facts_about_homosexuality.html TGF The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches. hide

  • Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    See my posting about this garbage on the other page please. Posting false studies is so unchristian....tsk tsk tsk!

  • Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Anyone who has read my posts in the past knows that I smiled when I read this post.

    "Among the institutions that support my assertion that there is nothing wrong or bad about being gay are the: American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, Child Welfare League of America, American Bar Association, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, Council on Child and Adolescent Health, American Association of Pastoral Counselors, American Law Institute, American Bar Association, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, not to mention countless universities, local governments, and myriad human rights organizations."

    Since you posted this partial list again, I thought I should respond here.

    TGF

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    notes: 2 Tim 3;5, TITUS 1:16
    http://www.preceptaustin.org/titus_116.htm#1:16

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:34 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show In Dr Barber's sermon series on Ephesians he says "The word for "knowledge" is the word epignosis , which means more than just fact. He’s already given them facts. He says, "Now I want something deeper for you. I want you to know God. I want you to have a deeper understanding of God." That word epignosis means "the fullness of knowledge." It means to not only know it but to understand it and literally, if you please, to experience God. In other words, it means to be drawn into God Himself and not just the facts about Him....Look at the second thing it says (commenting on Col1:10 "increasing in the knowledge of God"). (The verb "increasing" is a) present passive participle. I’m not doing it, God’s doing it. It says, you start (to do) what? (You start) "increasing in the knowledge (epignosis) of God" How am I going to get this knowledge (epignosis) of God? You don’t get it by your own personal pursuit. You get it as you bow before Him, cooperating with Him and surrendering to what His word says. The Holy Spirit of God imparts wisdom by revealing it to you as He wills and in His own time and in His own way. It’s by revelation. Man cannot discover on his own what God has hidden. What God has hidden only God can reveal. Man can discover what is hidden by man, but man cannot discover what is hidden by God. To me this is one of the real root thoughts of Paul’s prayer. He’s leading them to a deeper understanding of God, but he’s trying to show them that it doesn’t come by their own intellect. It comes by the revelation of the Spirit of God. Yes, the intellect is needed because God gives understanding, but it’s the Holy Spirit doing it in a person’s life." hide

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:33 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    God's wisdom transcends human intellect and understanding.

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    Epignosis vs gnoss :


    In his first epistle to Timothy Paul wrote that God our Savior-"desires all men to be saved and to come to the (full, thorough) knowledge (epignosis) of the truth." (1 Ti 2:4)

    In this context epignosis is essentially synonymous with salvation.

    Paul conveys a similar meaning in Second Timothy writing that the Lord's bond-servant must correct "with gentleness... those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge (epignosis) of the truth,"

    (Comment: The Amplified Version emphasizes the full and complete knowledge adding that "that they will perceive and recognize and become accurately acquainted with and acknowledge" the truth. )

    humanistic gnosis "was a favorite word of the Gnostics who used it to designate the superior knowledge which they claimed as their exclusive possession. Paul prays that all the saints might become possessors of epignosis, indicating that it was open for all to appropriate, not a secret mystery into which only a favored few could be initiated. If the Gnostics had their superior knowledge, so did the Christian Church. The former was speculative and false, the latter, positive and true." (Wuest's Word Studies from the Greek NT)

    Gnostics claimed one could find knowledge apart from God. Gnosticism allowed the people to go to church, to not feel bad about sin and to not even have to obey and yet still be called "religious" (see notes 2 Timothy 3:5, Titus 1:16)


    con't

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Institutions that support my assertion that there is nothing wrong or bad about being gay include the: American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, Child Welfare League of America, American Bar Association, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, Council on Child and Adolescent Health, American Association of Pastoral Counselors, American Law Institute, American Bar Association, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, not to mention countless universities, local governments, and human rights organizations. I think these trump the handful of agenda-driven crackpots who claim otherwise. hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:54 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Thanks HM. Sometimes it feels like there are about five of us trying to call out an army of people intent on perpetuating falsehoods about gay people. Churches fought like crazy against the blasphemous notion that the world was round instead of flat. We know how that turned out. Churches can be wrong, and the time in history has come for it to come to light that any church to condemn gay people is wrong. hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hey garageuy! I for one am VERY glad you are hear to speak for what is good. I very much appreciate your comments! :-) hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I would really love to know what was "inappropriate" about my comments. Please, anyone (since the flagger appears too cowardly to speak up), un-hide my comments and tell me what was inappropriate. hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:50 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show TGF, you may believe your anti-gay propaganda is truth, but then in the same way I'm sure Charles Manson and his handful of nutties believe their mindset is truth too. Hitler believed he was subscribing to the truth too. You will probably never acknowledge this, but what you call "truth" is simply the agenda-driven opinion of a small number of people basing their belief on things that have nothing to do with fact, logic, or reason. No thanks. That kind of "truth" is for cults and crazies if you ask me. hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:39 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Truth? I think maybe your supernatural belief system has blinded you from comprehending what that even is anymore. Among the institutions that support my assertion that there is nothing wrong or bad about being gay are the: American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, Child Welfare League of America, American Bar Association, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, Council on Child and Adolescent Health, American Association of Pastoral Counselors, American Law Institute, American Bar Association, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, not to mention countless universities, local governments, and myriad human rights organizations. I think these trump your handful of crackpots. There will always be a small number of people (in this case cult-agenda-driven religious extremists) who deny the truth no matter how large the mountain of credible evidence. That is what you are doing. Give it up. Your notions about gay people being bad, and it therefore being acceptable to treat them as less than fully equal, are mean, false, discriminatory, and un-American. What is your obsession with gay people anyway? hide

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    right on weekenderman as always straight to the truth

    TGF

    http://www.blowthetrumpet.org/IsHomosexualityaMentalDisorder.htm

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:22 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Homosexual Man » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:18 am : 0 : 1 Flag
    In summary (I dramatically remove my spectacles!) it seems to me that you are asking me to blaspheme God's Truth and to obey only you! So JN, DP, and Believer, here is your assignment for the day: Is there any way that you can see that we just disagree about some things, without damning me to Hell? I think you encourage violence and gay people when you damn us to Hell, and when you make blatantly false statements like "God sent the Flood BEKOHZ OF THUH GAYZE!!!!! OMG ABOMINATION." Not only is it ridiculous and hateful, it's also in direct conflict with what is written in the Bible. When you say hateful things that directly conflict with the Bible, you reveal that your motivation is not to enforce the Bible on people. Your motivation is to enforce your unkindness on people, and to trick other people into being unkind as well. hide
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    HM,

    .... gay theology opposes the doctrine of Christ. So when the doctrine of Christ is taught, preached, shared.. it will surely offend you..

    .... take note of this fact, ok?


    no hate here.. :O)

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:03 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I see that somebody accidentally flagged my post so I'll re-post it! :-) The universe that God created and put us in tells us unequivocally that not every single word of the Bible is literally word-for-word cover-to-cover true. The universe is part of God's word. If He wanted us to think that every word of the Bible is literally true, then why would He go to all the trouble to create a universe that emphatically demonstrates that at least some words in the Bible are not literally true? If He had actually done what it seems to me you claim He has done, it would seem that He *wants* us to fail. He *wants* us to go to Hell. He went to an inconceivable effort at every possible level of detail from the entire universe down to the subcomponents of atoms not merely to amuse himself, but *specifically* for the purpose of deceiving us. Only the ignorant, the arrogant, and the dishonest would have any hope of salvation. What kind of "God" would that be? That would, by definition, be Satan. I'm not interested in worshiping a "god" of deception. It seems to me that many of you are asking me to worship a "god" of deception. And you persecute me and other gay people constantly in the name of this "god" of deception. You even persecute people who merely refuse to HATE us as you require. Look at what weekender, DP, and JN did to Hohnson. Maybe I'm wrong? It has seemed this way to me for a good solid 30 years, but I always try to be open to other points of view. Surely I must be mistaken?!?! How could this be, that human beings would worship a "god" they believed to be dishonest, and would persecute other people merely because we do not bow down and worship a god of Deception? I beg you, disabuse me of my mistaken understanding. :-) hide

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:39 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    "Once again the only thing that sends a person to hell is if they die prior to repenting of their sin and turning to God by putting their complete faith/trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone"

    Preach it! :)

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:30 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 0

    hman, please cite when I have ever "damned a person to hell" simply because they were homosexual. Once again the only thing that sends a person to hell is if they die prior to repenting of their sin and turning to God by putting their complete faith/trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone, in other words if a person chooses to reject Christ as Savior rather than accept Christ as Savior and they die, they will indeed be eternally separated from God in hell.

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:18 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show In summary (I dramatically remove my spectacles!) it seems to me that you are asking me to blaspheme God's Truth and to obey only you! So JN, DP, and Believer, here is your assignment for the day: Is there any way that you can see that we just disagree about some things, without damning me to Hell? I think you encourage violence and gay people when you damn us to Hell, and when you make blatantly false statements like "God sent the Flood BEKOHZ OF THUH GAYZE!!!!! OMG ABOMINATION." Not only is it ridiculous and hateful, it's also in direct conflict with what is written in the Bible. When you say hateful things that directly conflict with the Bible, you reveal that your motivation is not to enforce the Bible on people. Your motivation is to enforce your unkindness on people, and to trick other people into being unkind as well. hide

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:07 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I see that somebody accidentally flagged my post so I'll re-post it! :-) In keeping with 1 Peter 3:16, I'll try to re-state my concern with a little more gentleness and reverence. The universe that God created and put us in tells us unequivocally that not every single word of the Bible is literally word-for-word cover-to-cover true. The universe is part of God's word. If He wanted us to think that every word of the Bible is literally true, then why would He go to all the trouble to create a universe that emphatically demonstrates that at least some words in the Bible are not literally true? If He had actually done what it seems to me you claim He has done, it would seem that He *wants* us to fail. He *wants* us to go to Hell. He went to an inconceivable effort at every possible level of detail from the entire universe down to the subcomponents of atoms not merely to amuse himself, but *specifically* for the purpose of deceiving us. Only the ignorant, the arrogant, and the dishonest would have any hope of salvation. What kind of "God" would that be? That would, by definition, be Satan. I'm not interested in worshiping a "god" of deception. It seems to me that most of you are asking me to worship a "god" of deception. And you persecute me and other gay people constantly in the name of this "god" of deception. You even persecute people who merely refuse to HATE us as you require. Look at what weekender, DP, and JN did to Hohnson. Maybe I'm wrong? It has seemed this way to me for a good solid 30 years, but I always try to be open to other points of view. Surely I must be mistaken?!?! How could this be, that human beings would worship a "god" they believed to be dishonest, and would persecute other people merely because we do not bow down and worship Dishonesty with you? I beg you, disabuse me of my misperception of you. And have a nice evening! :-) hide

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    When GOD gives His WORD, He gives Himself. Psalm 138:2: "Thou hast magnified Thy WORD above all Thy name." When a man gives his word to someone, he is giving that which represents himself, and stands in his place. His word represents Him. When God Almighty gives His WORD, His WORD represents Him more than His own Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient Name does. He esteems His wonderously, unique Name below the estimation He gives to His WORD. And even though, "there is none other Name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved"(Acts 4:12), still He honors His WORD above this Almighty name of "Savior". And when God makes a PROMISE, He really does honor that PROMISE with all that He is Himself. With all the power, with all the glory, with all that He is-- this is how He honors His WORD!

    Hebrews 6:13,17-19: "For when God made PROMISE to Abraham, because He could swear by no greater, He sware by Himself, wherein God, willing more abundantly to show unto the heirs of PROMISE the immutability of His Counsel, confirmed it by an oath: that by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the Hope set before us: which Hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast."


    SOLI DEO GLORIA!!

    :O)

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The Indestructibility of the WORD:

    *** Matthew 24:35: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My WORDS shall not pass away." ---Immortal.

    *** Luke 16:17: "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the LAW to fail." ----Inevitable.

    *** Hebrews 1:3: "Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the WORD of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."--- Powerful.

    *** 1Peter 1:23,25: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the WORD of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. But the WORD of the LORD endureth for ever. And this is the WORD which by the Gospel is preached unto you."---- Ageless and Incorruptible.

    *** Acts 6:7: "And the WORD of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith." Acts 12:24: "But the WORD of God grew and multiplied." Acts 19:20: "So mightily grew the WORD of God and prevailed."---- Augmenter. Enlarger. Almighty.

    *** John 10:35: "the SCRIPTURE cannot be broken." ----Impregnable.

    *** Isaiah 40:8: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the WORD of our God shall stand for ever." Psalm 117:2: "The TRUTH of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD." Psalm 119:152: "Concerning Thy TESTIMONIES, I have known of old that Thou hast founded Them for ever." Psalm 119:89: "For ever, O LORD, Thy WORD is settled in Heaven."----- Unchangeable. Unyielding. Existent.

    **** 2Timothy 2:9: "The WORD of God is not bound." ---Boundless.

    *** Psalm 100:5: "For the LORD is good; His mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations." --- Everlastingly Merciful.

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:38 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    hman, God created a perfect universe, but as a result of the sin of Adam and Eve and all the sins that followed we now live in a sin saturated world and universe, so to put more confidence in God's creation than in God, the Creator of the Universe and His inerrant Word is a huge mistake. That is of course unless you know this already and your goal is to simply justify sin and sinful lifestyles!

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My WORDS,
    hath One that judgeth him: the WORD that I have spoken,
    The Same shall judge him in the last day.
    For I have not spoken of Myself;
    but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment,
    what I should say, and what I should speak.
    And I know that His commandment is life everlasting:
    whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me,so I speak"
    John 12:48-50.
    --------------------------------------------------------

    The Identity of The WORD

    *** John 1:1-2: "In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God." The Trinity, the Godhead, is One GOD. Even so is GOD united in One WORD. The WORD is GOD, and GOD is His WORD.

    *** Revelations 19:13: "His name is called The WORD of God." GOD's own WORD is a Name He is known by. The LORD is not only the person, "The WORD", but His own name is "The WORD".

    *** John 1:14: "And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." God, The WORD, The Son of the Father, was born in flesh, and lived in our midst.

    *** 1John 1:1-2: "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the WORD of Life; (for the Life was manifested, and we have seen It, and bear witness, and show unto you that Eternal Life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)."

    *** John 5:38: "And ye have not His WORD abiding in you: for whom He hath sent, Him ye believe not."

    If a person, who considers himself to be Christian, doesn't believe what he reads in his Bible, then he doesn't believe Jesus The WORD, nor the One who sent Him, The Father, The WORD. And if this person does not believe God, then surely The WORD does not abide in him.

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    HM,

    Yes,Hm. You are mistaken.

    Mathetes,
    i know you mean well. But my conscience is clear before God that my intent or motive is not malicious and it is done in the graces of God. God's word is Spirit and it brings life. It is our responsibility to speak the truth and in love , acknowledging that it is God the Holy Spirit's work of quickening . It may have seemed harsh to you but the truth is, it is not...:O)

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show In keeping with 1 Peter 3:16, I'll try to re-state my concern with a little more gentleness and reverence. The universe that God created and put us in tells us unequivocally that not every single word of the Bible is literally word-for-word cover-to-cover true. The universe is part of God's word. If He wanted us to think that every word of the Bible is literally true, then why would He go to all the trouble to create a universe that in Every Single Detail Ever Considered emphatically proves that at least some words in the Bible are not literally true? If He had actually done what it seems to me you claim He has done, it would seem that He *wants* us to fail. He *wants* us to go to Hell. He went to an inconceivable effort at every possible level of detail from the entire universe down to the subcomponents of atoms not merely to amuse himself, but *specifically* for the purpose of deceiving us. Only the ignorant, the arrogant, and the dishonest would have any hope of salvation. What kind of "God" would that be? That would, by definition, be Satan. I'm not interested in worshiping a "god" of deception. It seems to me that most of you are eager to worship a "god" of deception. And you persecute me and other gay people CONSTANTLY in the name of your "god" of deception. Maybe I'm wrong? It has seemed this way to me for a good solid 30 years, but I'm always open to other points of view. But when you act like weekender, and when, like JN and Believer you support that kind of ignorance, you only make it all the more clear to me that you are completely happy worshiping a god who you outright believe to be dishonest. Surely I must be mistaken?!?! How could this be, that human beings would worship a "god" they believed to be dishonest, and would persecute other people merely because we do not bow down and worship Dishonesty with you? I beg you, disabuse me of my misperception of you. And have a nice evening! :-) hide

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Thanks mathetes. :-) hide

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:52 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    JN,

    I wholeheartedly agree with your post about the call to holiness (even gave it a thumbs-up!). May I add something I feel God is impressing on me?

    In Ephesians 4:15 we are told, "But speaking the truth in love , we must grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ..." I have not always done that on CP, for which I am ashamed and have asked forgiveness. While we are trying to grow in our knowledge of God and His Word, we should ensure our speech is pure and seasoned with love.

    If you feel that you only owe that to brothers and sisters in Christ, remember Peter (1 Pet. 3:15-16a): "Always be ready to make your defense to ANYONE who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you; 16 yet do it with gentleness and reverence."

    If we can present the truth like that, we'll probably help more folks believe ad be more pleasing to the Savior.

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Thanks for your carefully considered and biblically based posts, Jeho. It's refreshing to read what you write after reading the blasphemous and unholy words posted by those who don't believe the Bible.

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:22 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    You and Homo Man make a great pair, Hohnson.

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:03 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    HOW IN THE WORLD CAN A BELIEVER
    BE HOLY IN A LARGELY UNHOLY WORLD?

    answer: THE STRONG TOWER OF JEHOVAH MEKEDDESHEM:
    THE LORD WHO SANCTIFIES

    God's Call to holiness is found primarily in Leviticus-

    Lev 11:44 For I am the LORD your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy for I am holy. And you shall not make yourselves unclean with any of the swarming things that swarm on the earth. 45 For I am the LORD who brought you up from the land of Egypt to be your God; thus you shall be holy for I am holy.' "

    Jesus echoes this call to holiness for those who would be genuine "kingdom dwellers":

    "Therefore you are to be perfect (reach the goal for which you were created, attaining moral maturity) as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Mt 5:48)

    There is no sanctification without redemption. There is no genuine redemption that does not result in biblical sanctification. In short, God's will for saints is clear...To be holy as He is holy.

    So Jehovah Mekeddeshem is...THE LORD Who...makes holy/
    sets apart/separates from the profane..

    What is to be the practice of believers?
    -------------------------------------------------------
    1 Peter 1:14 " As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;16 because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."


    How are believers sanctified according to Jn 17:17, 18, 19?
    ------------------------------------------------------
    By the word = Truth (the word does not contain but IS truth)“This book will keep you from sin or sin will keep you from this book.”

    Truth >Renews Mind > Changed life

    What is God's will for His saints according to 1Th 4:3?
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Will of God = sanctification (your holiness)


    What is our part in fulfilling the will of God?
    -------------------------------------------------------
    Abstain from sexual immorality (porneia) (Is this optional?)

    abstain-to refrain DELIBERATELY and OFTEN with an EFFORT of self-denial from an action or practice.

    porneia is used of illicit sexual intercourse

    ========================================================
    Ezek 36:27 [God's part] "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, [man's part] and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.


    Are you pursuing holiness?
    Do you need to make "changes in your choices"?
    Are you willing to do so?
    If not, why not?

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The more I read the Bible, the more clear it becomes to me that weekender, Daniel Paul, believer, and JN are picking and choosing a verse here and there to justify their own preferences, at the expense of the real message. hide

  • Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "I have decided this website is evil and is corrupting me." LOL, I suspect it is doing the same to me! I used to get outside on the weekends. Now I just sit around reading the Bible! :D Seriously, I have carefully read straight through all the gospels, Revelations, and most of the rest of the New Testament, Genesis, Exodus, and Leviticus, and ALL the minor prophets in the past month or so. hide

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