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Church|Tue, Oct. 27 2009 10:30 AM EDT

ELCA VP: Churchwide Assembly's Pro-Gay Actions a 'Catalyst'

By Joshua A. Goldberg|Christian Post Reporter

A letter written by the vice president of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is being distributed to the church body’s 4.6 million members in response to the growing dissatisfaction over divisive decisions made this past summer by the denomination’s chief legislative authority.

Since ELCA's Churchwide Assembly adopted a social statement on human sexuality and made it possible non-celibate homosexuals to serve as rostered leaders, a number of congregations have considered parting ways with denomination, which they say has been parting ways with the Word of God.

And some are thinking about ceasing their donations to the church body, which is already facing a significant decrease in its budget.

To the latter group, ELCA Vice President Carlos Peña reminded them of the work their dollars do through the church body.

"Working together, we help alleviate hunger close to home and abroad. Without our help, people around the world would have a harder time recuperating from disasters,” he wrote in his letter.

“They need us and we need each other," he added.

As Peña drafted his letter, ELCA’s presiding bishop, the Rev. Mark S. Hanson, delivered a wide-ranging report to the governing body of the Lutheran World Federation, which ELCA is a member, suggesting that the decrease in ELCA’s budget would have an impact on the wider Lutheran communion, which he said faces greater challenges currently and in the future.

"We are experiencing a 30-year trend in decreased membership and giving to support the work of the ELCA beyond its local congregations,” Hanson had reported this past Friday – the second day of the LWF Council’s six-day meeting in Geneva.

“Furthermore, we do not know the budgetary implications of our recent decision on human sexuality," he told council members.

While the Churchwide Asssembly’s controversial decisions are expected to take its toll on the denomination, ELCA VP Peña said he believes the assembly’s actions will be “a catalyst to further strengthen our church and our relationships with each other."

To explain, Peña recalled his experiences of devastation after Hurricane Ike struck his hometown of Galveston, Texas, in September 2008.

"One year later, I can see the benefits of this experience," he wrote. "Galveston is coming back stronger than before and welcoming citizens and businesses, both old and new.

"I feel as though I have experienced a resurrection," stated Peña, who was elected to a second six-year term during the 2009 Churchwide Assembly. “Good things are coming to light out of the chaos and darkness of what seemed like a hopeless situation.”

In closing, Peña said he prays for the continuing efforts of the ELCA, his understanding of people different from him, and the future.

“And I pray for my fellow Lutherans that they may have the strength to commit and weather the storm," Peña concluded.

With 4.7 million members, ELCA is the largest Lutheran church body in the United States and the fourth largest Protestant body.

The second largest Lutheran denomination in the United States, the conservative Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS), consists of 2.4 million members.

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  • Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:23 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    This news is not news this was in the works five years ago. They had to wait it takes time to pressure and force people to accept or to replace those who stand against your view. The ELCA has rejected the word of God and their very foundations are posted or sand. Now they worry about income? If they taught the whole of the word there would be no discussion but as all they pick and choose what they feel is going to please those with the most cash and saly gay and lesbians have far more disposable income than most hetero couples.

  • Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:31 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    Just another denomination that sold themselves out to the things of this world, rather then adhering to the Word of God. Shameful at best. An abomination to say the least. The Lutheran church should no longer be considered a Christian church.

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:22 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    A Call To Anguish by David Wilkerson.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:35 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Gibbons family,

    What I like about Christian post's updated version is that now we are able to see the flagged comments when you click on someone's name. Before when a comment was flagged, we had to actually go to the article and find the person's comment, now Christian Post allows us to see it without going to the original article.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:39 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 8

    "don't believe I'm even replying...
    Slacker-

    OK-christianity is 2.1 billion-so that's 28% who believe in the divinity of the NT and 72% who don't...

    No, those who are not christians do not believe the NT is a book of God because they don't believe in Jesus divinity (ie people in India, the ME do not believe in Jesus's divinity)

    BUT-my point was that large majority of the world do not believe the bible is holy so why do you just believe in people telling you it is?

    I told you-I found God outside the Bible-that is where He is-all around you, in your heart

    Sorry, but the police cited them for nto moving when they were told in Philadelphia-you can make up things all you want, but the FACTS are that they were told to move and didn't....the cops arresting them probably believed in God since majority of this country does so don't really see the suppression of religion in this instance..."

    You lied about the number for christians in the world, you lied about what the philadelphia 11 were arrested for. They weren't arrested for trespassing, they were arrested for "ethnic intimidation", which is what the liason between the police force and the homosexual agenda told the police to arrest them for. That is why they charges were later dropped, becuase the DA knew they couldn't convict for it. That is what lead to the law being found unconstitutional, just as this current hate crimes law will be...

    I haven't made up anything, I researched what happened and presented it, you are the one that hasn't presented any evidence for your claim but after lying to everyone, you expect us to believe anything you say...

    I don't care what other people believe, I know Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on the cross as a sacrafice to save all of us from our sins. What people do in other countries isn't my concern I am only concerned with what is right in the eyes of the lord. Giving into temtation isn't pleasing to the Lord, which is what you sound like you want everyone to do...

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 25   Disagree: 36

    Norman makes a good argument for lemmings!

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:31 pm Agree: 39   Disagree: 26

    don't believe I'm even replying...
    Slacker-

    OK-christianity is 2.1 billion-so that's 28% who believe in the divinity of the NT and 72% who don't...

    No, those who are not christians do not believe the NT is a book of God because they don't believe in Jesus divinity (ie people in India, the ME do not believe in Jesus's divinity)

    BUT-my point was that large majority of the world do not believe the bible is holy so why do you just believe in people telling you it is?

    I told you-I found God outside the Bible-that is where He is-all around you, in your heart

    Sorry, but the police cited them for nto moving when they were told in Philadelphia-you can make up things all you want, but the FACTS are that they were told to move and didn't....the cops arresting them probably believed in God since majority of this country does so don't really see the suppression of religion in this instance...

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 52   Disagree: 58

    On the feces who give posts multiple thumbs down -

    I've noticed in recent weeks a huge increase in the number of people reading the articles, (based on the number of thumbs up/down), and yet very few have any opinion worth posting (based on the number of posts).

    In recent weeks, there has been a huge difference in the number of posts versus the number of people thumbing up/down those posts.

    I wish that those people who are thumbing up/down would say why they feel that way, so we can all share our different ideas. It would be far more interesting for all of us if all of you would post your individual opinions too. Surely, there can't be that much satisfaction in thumbing up/down other peoples' posts, can there?

    If you believe that we posters feel happy when we receive an extraordinary number of thumbs up, or that we feel sad when we receive an extraordinary number of thumbs down, speaking for myself I'd have to laugh at your naivety. I couldn't care less, one way or another.

    When I first joined and received a few thumbs up, I was pleased because I could usually guess who they were from their presence in the thread. When the ratio was reasonable and made sense when compared to the number of people who were posting, I took notice of it.
    But when I saw how certain people began giving people thumbs down, because they didn't like them or didn't like a previous comment by them, I lost interest in this function and now find it as useless as a boy wearing his mommy's pantyhose.

    More importantly, all of you should know that when you run around thumbing up/down other peoples' posts, those of us who are posting believe that it's just one or two (sad) people, not the 30 or 40 people it appears to be.

    We feel very sad that some people come here and spend most of their time thumbing up/down other peoples' posts, and lack the education or the intellect to form and post an opinion of their own.
    And it's very sad that there are these pathetic souls who, because they have these profound mental deficiencies, they haven't got a real life with friends. And so they spend all day here, alone.
    It's so pathetic we can't help but feel sad for you.

    TGF
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    "For the Christians... Christ is clear... we are not to throw pearls among swine.... when is enough going to be enough in exhorting the heathens here?" jar1961

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:36 pm Agree: 34   Disagree: 45

    I'll just repost this flagged comment for our Christian members.

    To the cowardly flaggers,

    There are sad, pathetic souls, who can't form a point of view, and so flag comments they disagree with. And like cowards, they flag comments without claiming responsibility.

    If you flag posts because you disagree with them, from what I've seen, all of 'your' posts will likely get flagged - forever.

    Never flag and we'll get to read all the ridiculous things others say (if you disagree) or all the pearls of wisdom (if you agree) - and no matter what side you're on, you'll get to read your favorite posters' comments without having to click on "show".

    1) Stop flagging and: we'll all get to read everyone's posts, good or bad.

    2) Keep flagging and: all your posts will get flagged, and you'll have to click on 'show' to see your friends' posts.

    It's your choice. If you've been here long enough to see what happens to people who frequently flag, you'll pick #1 and never flag.
    If you're either new or just plain stupid (you know one of those people who never gets it, ever since they were a kid), you'll pick #2.

    TGF
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    "For the Christians... Christ is clear... we are not to throw pearls among swine.... when is enough going to be enough in exhorting the heathens here?" jar1961

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:35 pm Agree: 37   Disagree: 45

    I'll just repost this flagged comment for our Christian members.

    On flagging Christians on a Christian website -

    THIS IS a Christian website, for Christians and others to discuss events relating to Christianity and religious affairs. We are against homosexual sex acts, but we think they are entitled to talk freely without disruption on (homosexual) websites set up for that purpose. THAT is freedom of speech.

    Similarly, we believe that homosexuals should not come to a Christian website and flag any Christians for any reason, and give a post multiple thumbs down to try and fool us into believing that many people disagree lol.

    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.
    I would never go to a homosexual website, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

    TGF
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    Flagged as inappropriate means inappropriate for a Christian website, not inappropriate for any website and not disagreeable to you.

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:34 pm Agree: 78   Disagree: 86

    I'll just repost this flagged comment for our Christian members.

    As a church about to lose a considerable number of faithful Christians because of their rebellion from God's Will, they are desperately trying to convince members not to quit, not because they're interested in others' salvation, but because they only care about their image and their personal status.

    As usual in all these cases, the filthy deviants from God's Word are trying to convince members to stay by saying that their money is being used for important works, and if they stop giving the filthy their money or leave and take their money elsewhere, those important works will not be accomplished. This is a filthy lie.

    These churches who leave God's narrow road of truth for the wider road of perverts and apostates, always follow the same (long, secretive, plotting and devious) pattern prior to their voting to join Satan (perverts are good at doing devious) and always try the same tactics afterward to try and persuade good Christians to stay in their perverted churches.

    But genuine Christians are not interested in the pleadings and the lies ("If you leave, the good work won't get done and people will suffer.") of filthy perverts and apostates.
    True Christians, who put God first, will move as fast as possible to escape any church leaving God, and fond memories and sickening attempts to change their minds won't keep them.
    Christians, leaving a church full of vomitous deviants, know that they will accomplish even better works after leaving. The act of leaving itself, sends a wonderful message witnessing to the truth of God's Word.

    All of us genuine Christians celebrate the glorious exodus of true Christians from churches turning down apostate roads filled with beasts of Satan performing stomach-churning acts that God loathes.

    TGF
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    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:33 pm Agree: 35   Disagree: 42

    I'll just repost this flagged comment for our Christian members.

    I can't figure out, is this sick little pervert (MolesterMan) talking to me? I was never "gone". I don't flag anyone, so don't insinuate. If I was going to flag any poster, of all the posters here, one is the most vile and I would flag it.
    There may be others who will finally call an end to the most vile, perverted, blasphemer, and begin doing what should have been done by someone a long time ago - flag every one of its posts. But I will leave that up to others, particularly the long time members here.
    This has been my policy.

    I stand by my comments and trust others will agree with them. But if not, I'd rather be true to God than popular.
    That's different than being unpopular because everyone loathes it.

    TGF
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    "For the Christians... Christ is clear... we are not to throw pearls among swine.... when is enough going to be enough in exhorting the heathens here?" jar1961

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:31 pm Agree: 36   Disagree: 44

    "Verrry interesting..." Arte Johnson

    I've said all along that no matter how offensive a post/poster is, and even if they're attacking me personally, I'll leave the decision whether to flag or not to others.
    Some people think that we should leave all the posts up so that all of us can see just how loathsome and/or absurd the post/poster is.

    I used to think that only the most vile posts should be flagged (eg. blasphemy), but I've noticed an increase lately in the number of vile posts that are not blasphemous, and many of those are personal attacks on members whose posts I greatly admire for their truthfulness and their style.

    There are two or three posters here I wish the members would flag on sight.

    This is a Christian website, for Christians and other interested persons to discuss Christian issues. It's not a pit of feces, meant for the fun and amusement of the sick and the vile of the world.

    I'll repost my comments, but I wish the members would make a decision in keeping with those of us who feel the same.

    TGF
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    "For the Christians... Christ is clear... we are not to throw pearls among swine.... when is enough going to be enough in exhorting the heathens here?" jar1961

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:39 am Agree: 57   Disagree: 69

    garageguy says he's not the flagger, but for some reason
    anytime gibbons says something and garageguy is on the
    page, gibbons is flagged.

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:28 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Thankfully for compassion,grace,fair; how safer is it ( in heart,soul,mind,body); it seemed people are coming back to their own home.They're in ways with the word of God;it's real. hide

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:54 am Agree: 40   Disagree: 53

    "Slacker-I was raised in the Catholic church -confirmed, church every sunday, CCD every saturday. I didn't find out the truth of God until college when I researched all of the major religions and found them all to be false
    The Devil doesn't exist-just made up to scare you
    I'm sorry you were so weak in life that you had to rely on a religious crutch-what happened to you? drinking? drugs?
    the world isn't evil, my friend-people are
    Most people are good, many are misguided
    WOW-you think the Council of Nicaea were a bunch of good, kindly old white men who "fixed" the Bible....Slacker-your moniker explains your so called research on the subject-please please spend a little more time on this-
    Religion can be a good thing as long as you don't harm others
    Hurting gays, God's children, is evil"

    I was a sinner just like you, however unlike you I have acknowledged my need for a savior and I have accepted Christ as my Savior. Unlike you who want to put everyone down who accept that they are sinners, you believe that you are perfect with is the first notion of an insane mind...

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:52 am Agree: 28   Disagree: 43

    "Slacker-only 1 billion of the world's population of 7 billion are christian-not making that up
    so, only about 20 to 25% of the world's population thinks the Bible is the word of God

    Not making ti up-just using plain old facts...."

    Well given that your "facts" are in fact lies; here are the actual statistics of major religions in the world:

    Christianity: 2.1 billion
    Islam: 1.5 billion
    Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
    Hinduism: 900 million
    Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
    Buddhism: 376 million

    So I am not sure where you made your number up but that would place it about 1/3 of the world population call themselves christian. and I would guess that the majority (not all) would call the bible the word of God.

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:44 am Agree: 35   Disagree: 45

    "Slacker, again, i have laid out facts about the need for gays to be protected-
    People like you arenot fully prosecuting the criminals who harm gays so the feds are stepping in-when ignorance and hate such as yours dies out in a generation or two, hate crime legilsation will not be needed
    I'm biased? Funny...."

    Facts biased one way arn't facts, they are lies, you should research more then just what your twisted websites do. Arn't you smart enough to know that those people in philly wern't arrested for trestpassing, which is what they would have been charged with if they didn't Move. How about presenting the mob of homosexuals that had whistles and called themselves the "Pink Angels". Are you going to present those facts, oh wait no you won't because it would go against your argument wouldn't it...

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:41 am Agree: 35   Disagree: 45

    "Slacker-wow, you're nuts-

    Philadelphia 11-here are the facts:
    http://www.hrc.org/issues/4856.htm
    They were told to move THREE times and they didn't so they were arrested-they were NOT arrested for handing out pamphlets-
    Can you please stop lying? Thank you"

    Really, Given the Philadelphia 11 were charged with "ethnic intimidation" doesn't sound to me like your "idea" of trespassing, which is what you claim they were arrested for. You are your "facts" are a joke, get with it pal, people don't like when you make things up...

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:54 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    AMEN!

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:12 pm Agree: 99   Disagree: 90

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Slacker-I was raised in the Catholic church -confirmed, church every sunday, CCD every saturday. I didn't find out the truth of God until college when I researched all of the major religions and found them all to be false The Devil doesn't exist-just made up to scare you I'm sorry you were so weak in life that you had to rely on a religious crutch-what happened to you? drinking? drugs? the world isn't evil, my friend-people are Most people are good, many are misguided WOW-you think the Council of Nicaea were a bunch of good, kindly old white men who "fixed" the Bible....Slacker-your moniker explains your so called research on the subject-please please spend a little more time on this- Religion can be a good thing as long as you don't harm others Hurting gays, God's children, is evil hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:06 pm Agree: 95   Disagree: 81

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Slacker-only 1 billion of the world's population of 7 billion are christian-not making that up so, only about 20 to 25% of the world's population thinks the Bible is the word of God Not making ti up-just using plain old facts.... hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:05 pm Agree: 77   Disagree: 67

    Slacker, again, i have laid out facts about the need for gays to be protected-
    People like you arenot fully prosecuting the criminals who harm gays so the feds are stepping in-when ignorance and hate such as yours dies out in a generation or two, hate crime legilsation will not be needed
    I'm biased? Funny....

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:03 pm Agree: 97   Disagree: 90

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Slacker-wow, you're nuts- Philadelphia 11-here are the facts: http://www.hrc.org/issues/4856.htm They were told to move THREE times and they didn't so they were arrested-they were NOT arrested for handing out pamphlets- Can you please stop lying? Thank you hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:31 pm Agree: 41   Disagree: 52

    "Slacker-the Bible is not God-why do you think that? because your parents told you that? "

    No my Mother didn't teach me about God, I found out later in life, because of all the evil in this world, I did some deep searching in life and found Christ, from that point I have been studying and learning about my faith. The sad part is that you actually believe the nonsense that you post, I am sorry you have been blinded by the devil, but remember Jesus loves you and only wants you to turn from your sin and accept his gift of salvation.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:28 pm Agree: 49   Disagree: 56

    "Slacker-the Bible is not God-why do you think that? because your parents told you that? You do knwo that 75% of the world does not agree with you, right? Come on-read the Council of Nicaea-google it-it tells you how man edited and rewrote and excised the Bible.
    God didn't hire that council so pretty sure the Bible is compiled by a bunch of old men who though the world was flat
    Please use God's greatest gift-your mind
    Find God-He is right there waiting!!"

    I have to laugh at this, the word of God is holy, your right tho, it isn't God, but it is his inerrant word and I follow it, maybe you should to. I suggest you research the council of nicea, it was a group of scholars who put together the true writings because people like you were twisting and perverting the true teachings and this council saved the Word of God by protecting the true writings from the false teachers of the time. Look it up...

    75% doesn't agree with what??? I have no idea what you are talking about here, but whatever, you have made up everything else you have posted about, i suggest this is made up as well...

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:23 pm Agree: 39   Disagree: 47

    "Hate crime legilsation was necessary because many gay bashers were not being prosecuted because the crimes occurred in small, redneck towns where people hated gays
    Hate crime laws ensure full prosecution of bigots and criminals against gays, religious people, minortites
    There is nothing wrong with protecting those God cherishes the most"

    Its amazing how biased you comments are, do you know whe have laws in this country that protects all people, i guess those laws don't matter it is just the ones that make homosexuality a protected class that are alright by you huh???

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:21 pm Agree: 35   Disagree: 47

    "Handing out pamphlets will not be a hate crime-stop lying
    Jesus hates liars"

    Really, why don't you ask the Philadelphia 11 how handing out pamplets in pennsylvania landed them in Jail and led to the exact same hate crimes legislation in Penn to be struck down;.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:20 pm Agree: 42   Disagree: 34

    Thansk garage guy!!

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:19 pm Agree: 58   Disagree: 51

    Slacker-the Bible is not God-why do you think that? because your parents told you that? You do knwo that 75% of the world does not agree with you, right? Come on-read the Council of Nicaea-google it-it tells you how man edited and rewrote and excised the Bible.
    God didn't hire that council so pretty sure the Bible is compiled by a bunch of old men who though the world was flat
    Please use God's greatest gift-your mind
    Find God-He is right there waiting!!

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:17 pm Agree: 39   Disagree: 31

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Norman wrote: "The truth is, the Bible is not to be taken literally." Can I have an AMEN! hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:17 pm Agree: 60   Disagree: 51

    Slacker-you do know that religious institutions were behind hate cirme legislation several years ago when it protected churches right?
    Handing out pamphlets will not be a hate crime-stop lying
    Jesus hates liars
    Hate crime legilsation was necessary because many gay bashers were not being prosecuted because the crimes occurred in small, redneck towns where people hated gays
    Hate crime laws ensure full prosecution of bigots and criminals against gays, religious people, minortites
    There is nothing wrong with protecting those God cherishes the most

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:15 pm Agree: 48   Disagree: 53

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Your sin is your obsessive vilification of Gay people" No, I am not vilifying anyone, I am calling out the sin that the bible calls out, its not my fault you can't handle the truth... hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:15 pm Agree: 28   Disagree: 43

    "The stories are right there in the Bible. How can that be blasphemous?"

    The stories are in the bible, but none of them say naything about what you want them to say...

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:14 pm Agree: 34   Disagree: 45

    "Jesus isn't Gay" - what makes you think that?"

    The bible makes no claims that Jesus was Gay nor that he was in any kind of relationship. It is my only assumpsion that you expect the bible to say what you want it to say instead of what it actually says. I have read the bible many times, several times the verses you said that call our jesus as gay and as far as I am concerned you are an imbisile if you think that those verses say anything about homosexuality...

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:08 pm Agree: 64   Disagree: 52

    If people want to leave the church and turn away from God, then so be it.
    The church is doing the right thing-embracing all fo God's children. Why would anyone think God or Jessu does not love gays? He made them gay (it doesn't make sense that beign gay is a choice-ask any gay person-they all know since they are children).
    The truth is, the Bible is not to be taken literally.
    People like Slacker and Gibbons family are going to burn in Hell for their hatred-it is very sad, but some cannot be saved if they turn away from Jesus. I suspect they were against interracila marriages because the Bible mentions separation of the races...that too was not a passage of divinity, but rather one influenced by man..
    This is a time of testing-God is testing you to see if you have compassion and love. If you fail, you will burn.
    Sorry to be so bl;unt, but you know in your hearts that being gay is not wrong. Please find Him before it's too late.
    Signed,
    A Christian who loves, respects and honors gays

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:03 pm Agree: 37   Disagree: 31

    Flagged as inappropriate. show P.S. Before you say it, I'm not the flagger. I don't believe in using the flag feature. hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:03 pm Agree: 40   Disagree: 51

    To the cowardly flaggers,

    There are sad, pathetic souls, who can't form a point of view, and so flag comments they disagree with. And like cowards, they flag comments without claiming responsibility.

    From what I've seen, if you flag posts because you disagree with them, all of your posts will probably get flagged - forever.

    Never flag and we'll get to read all the ridiculous things others say (if you disagree) or all the pearls of wisdom (if you agree) - and no matter what side you're on, you'll get to read your favorite posters' comments without having to click on "show".

    1) Stop flagging and: we'll all get to read everyone's posts, good or bad.

    2) Keep flagging and: all your posts will get flagged, and you'll have to click on 'show' to see your friends' posts.

    It's your choice. If you've been here long enough to see what happens to people who frequently flag, you'll pick #1 and never flag.
    If you're either new or just plain stupid (you know one of those people who never gets it, ever since they were a kid), you'll pick #2.

    TGF
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    Flagged as inappropriate means inappropriate for a Christian website, not inappropriate for any website and not disagreeable to you.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:02 pm Agree: 39   Disagree: 51

    On flagging Christians on a Christian website -

    THIS IS a Christian website, for Christians and others to discuss events relating to Christianity and religious affairs. We are against homosexual sex acts, but we think they are entitled to talk freely without disruption on (homosexual) websites set up for that purpose. THAT is freedom of speech.

    Similarly, we believe that homosexuals should not come to a Christian website and flag any Christians for any reason.

    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.
    I would never go to a homosexual website, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

    TGF
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    Flagged as inappropriate means inappropriate for a Christian website, not inappropriate for any website and not disagreeable to you.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:02 pm Agree: 39   Disagree: 47

    I'll just repost this flagged comment for our Christian members.

    As a church about to lose a considerable number of faithful Christians because of their rebellion from God's Will, they are desperately trying to convince members not to quit, not because they're interested in others' salvation, but because they only care about their image and their personal status.

    As usual in all these cases, the filthy deviants from God's Word are trying to convince members to stay by saying that their money is being used for important works, and if they stop giving the filthy their money or leave and take their money elsewhere, those important works will not be accomplished. This is a filthy lie.

    These churches who leave God's narrow road of truth for the wider road of perverts and apostates, always follow the same (long, secretive, plotting and devious) pattern prior to their voting to join Satan (perverts are good at doing devious) and always try the same tactics afterward to try and persuade good Christians to stay in their perverted churches.

    But genuine Christians are not interested in the pleadings and the lies ("If you leave, the good work won't get done and people will suffer.") of filthy perverts and apostates.
    True Christians, who put God first, will move as fast as possible to escape any church leaving God, and fond memories and sickening attempts to change their minds won't keep them.
    Christians, leaving a church full of vomitous deviants, know that they will accomplish even better works after leaving. The act of leaving itself, sends a wonderful message witnessing to the truth of God's Word.

    All of us genuine Christians celebrate the glorious exodus of true Christians from churches turning down apostate roads filled with beasts of Satan performing stomach-churning acts that God loathes.

    TGF
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    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:00 pm Agree: 43   Disagree: 56

    I can't figure out, is this sick little pervert is talking to me? I was never "gone". I don't flag anyone, so don't insinuate. If I was going to flag any poster, of all the posters here, one is the most vile and I would flag it.
    There may be others who will finally call an end to the most vile, perverted, blasphemer, and begin doing what should have been done by someone a long time ago - flag every one of its posts. But I will leave that up to others, particularly the long time members here.
    This has been my policy.

    I stand by my comments and trust others will agree with them. But if not, I'd rather be true to God than popular.
    That's different than being unpopular because everyone loathes it.

    TGF
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    For the Christians... Christ is clear... we are not to throw pearls among swine.... when is enough going to be enough in exhorting the heathens here? jar1961

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 38   Disagree: 32

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "...but we think they are entitled to talk freely without disruption on (homosexual) websites set up for that purpose. THAT is freedom of speech. Similarly, we believe that homosexuals should not come to a Christian website and flag any Christians for any reason." Sorry, Gibbons, but I am not a fan of segregation. I don't think the answer is to break into little warring groups. Besides, when (some) christians stop being vicious toward gays, will will stop fighting back. Pretty simple. hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:44 pm Agree: 37   Disagree: 32

    Slacker, neither you nor anyone else on this site has been able to articulate even ONE reason that being gay is anything bad. All they can say is, "Because jeebus said so" or somthing to that effect. That is no answer.

    Who is harmed? What is the crime? Where is the victim? WHY is it wrong?

    Answer: it ISN'T wrong. Deep in your hearts you all know it.

    So why do you persist in clinging to the false notion that there's something bad about it? All it's going to get you is a ticket to the same trash heap that we have put the KKK on.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:41 pm Agree: 39   Disagree: 33

    John5796, blah blah blah. You sound like a broken record. You have convinced yourself of a whole intricate system of supernatural beliefs. Goody for you. Progress and reality are passing you by. See ya!

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:39 pm Agree: 43   Disagree: 35

    Flagged as inappropriate. show canadianchristian, tell me, what is the difference between you and a cult member? Answer: nothing. No thanks, I don't need a supernatural cult or a supernatural belief system to get through life. I do just fine with simple reality. hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:53 pm Agree: 38   Disagree: 27

    By the way it was *not* me. :-\

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:53 pm Agree: 39   Disagree: 30

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Weird! I told you it only happens when you're around ... :-\ hide

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:41 pm Agree: 38   Disagree: 28

    You know, it's *almost* ironic that there was no flagging while you were gone.

    It's almost as if there were some connection between you being so concerned about flagging, and people getting along fine while you were gone.

    I wish you could have been here to see how nice everything was when you were gone! :-\

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:34 pm Agree: 34   Disagree: 26

    The flagging business is pretty much last month's news though.

    There was actually no flagging at all for quite a long time while you were gone; the flagging started up again the very day you came back. :-\

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:32 pm Agree: 36   Disagree: 28

    Gibbons, thanks for standing up for Garageguy and me! :-)

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