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Christians Urged to Speak Out Against Uganda's Anti-Gay Bill

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Thousands of Americans are expressing outrage over a new bill in Uganda that would heavily penalize those involved in homosexuality.

The Anti-Homosexuality Bill, which is currently being debated, imposes punishment not only on gays and lesbians who engage in homosexual behavior, but also those who support gay organizations or who know about a homosexual and fail to report it to authorities.

"American Christians have some culpability for this situation by going to Uganda and failing to speak against this error," said Dr. Warren Throckmorton, associate professor of psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania. "American Christians need to step up and speak now."

Throckmorton recently started a Facebook page to spread awareness about the bill and urge the public to voice their opposition. The page already has more than 2,500 members from around the globe, many of them speechless over the new bill.

"This is just quite simply wrong on all levels," Deb Parsons wrote on the social networking page.

Homosexuality is already illegal in Uganda and can be punished with life imprisonment. But the anti-homosexuality legislation, proposed by ruling party MP David Bahati, was designed to "fill the gaps" in the provisions of existing laws and "strengthen the nation's capacity to deal with emerging internal and external threats to the traditional heterosexual family."

A coalition of human rights and Civil Society groups blasted the measure for attacking human rights protections and placing "everybody" at risk – including parents, teachers, landlords, doctors, media and religious leaders who provide counseling to someone struggling with their sexuality, work with those infected with HIV/AIDS, or do not report an offense within 24 hours of knowledge.

"[I]t cannot be implemented without making every citizen spy on his or her neighbors," the coalition said in a statement last month. "The last time this was done was in the Amin era, where everyone very quickly became an 'enemy of the state'. It amounts to a direct invasion of our homes, and will promote blackmail, false accusations and outright intimidation of certain members of the population."

In addition to penalizing the "promotion of homosexuality" and "failure to disclose the offense," the bill also states that a Ugandan citizen or permanent resident who engages in homosexual activity outside the country can still be punished. Another provision nullifies international treaties, protocols, and declarations that are "contradictory to the spirit and provisions enshrined in this act."

Punishments range from a fine and a three-year imprisonment to life imprisonment and the death penalty.

Joann Lockard, the public affairs officer for the U.S. embassy in Kampala, said the bill, if adopted, would "constitute a significant step backwards for the protection of human rights in Uganda," as reported by Agence France-Presse.

Ugandan Ethics Minister James Nsaba Buturo rejected such arguments, stating, "They have no mandate whatsoever to come and say: 'Your values are wrong, mine are right,'" according to AFP.

Reports have indicated that religious leaders in Uganda, including the Rev. Aaron Mwesigye of the Church of Uganda, want the death penalty provision removed but support life imprisonment. In the United States, some Christians have expressed opposition to the measure in its entirety in informal discussions but formal statements have yet to be made.

"I am not sure it is on the radar of many groups here," Throckmorton wrote on the Facebook page. "We are out in front as far as I can tell."

Throckmorton has urged Christ followers in Uganda to "put down the stones," as he cited the New Testament account of the woman caught in the act of adultery.

"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her," Jesus told those who were about to stone the woman. Everyone left without tossing one stone.

"Jesus intervened on behalf of the woman, was He wrong?" Throckmorton noted in an op-ed in Uganda's The Independent. "Clearly, He did not believe adultery was proper. But He signaled a new way of dealing with sin, one which emphasizes mercy and freedom, rather than coercion and death.

"Brothers and sisters, jailing or killing gays or those suspected of being gay or those who know gays cannot create a righteous people, and in fact may further a self-righteous people. One may disapprove of homosexuality, and still treat homosexuals as you would want to be treated. Who among us could stand if our private sins were judged in such a manner as the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009?"

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  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    At least you got the "hater" part right.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Cuckoo!! Cuckoo!!

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Oh and congratulations on what your religion has turned you into."

    A hater of sin after the heart of my beloved Savior.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    RaeJae, go crawl back into your cave.

    Oh and congratulations on what your religion has turned you into.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Hmm, and you wanted to talk sensibly? You are making things up as you go along.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    To add to my last post, those of you hetrosexuals who are siding with them, they don't care about you, they are using you to get their sick views accepted.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I don't believe for one second that a practicing homosexual is a Christian, they are very rude against the Word of God and totaly blind to their sin.
    They twist everything we say and mock the King of kings, it is very, very sad.
    The homosexuals that say they don't believe the Bible full stop are sinning, but the worst ones are the ones that claim to be Christians and yet rip his Word apart.
    It is a disgrace and satan is behind it.

    The most disgusting thing I have ever heard anyone say is that. . . . .I cant even say it in the exact words used it's so revolting, so I'll just say it is about the Lord Jesus and sexual thing's, everyone knows what I mean I'm sure, it's been said by Hm, many times.

    I'll be ripped apart for saying this, but I don't care. . . .these people are antichrist and they need to be told.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:33 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I have been talking quite sensibly. You're the one casting logic out as sinful because it disagrees with your ill founded ideas of pedophilia.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "Grow up child."

    Thanks, that's really mature.

    Maybe one day we can talk sensibly about this.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    As I said, the Bible does not speak to things like alcoholism, depression, or pedophilia or a host of other mental health issues that psychology has unlocked. If you'd like to stick your head in the sand and declare psychology as sinful because Mr. Stewart has decided its so, be my guest. I can't stand it when "Christians" try to use praying to God as a put down (i.e. "I will pray to God to reveal the truth to you" as if you hold the truth and I don't.) Grow up child.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:41 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "In essence, Psychology and Psychiatry represent the voice of the world, the voice of ungodly man, and the Bible is the voice of God. And in general these two authorities are in deep conflict. Psychology says that sin liberates and the Bible says it enslaves; Psychology says sexual permissiveness is OK and the Bible says it is sinful. Psychology has always been strongly atheistic and agnostic in its basic sympathies, inclinations and assumptions. And as a consequence it has always been deeply antagonistic toward the Bible, forever challenging the Bible in its most basic tenets, assumptions, conclusions and authority. Psychology asserts that there is no absolute moral law, that Right and Wrong are just ideas evolved by society; that moral law has no divine authority, that it was invented and created by man and can be changed by man as he sees fit, as situations change and his "knowledge" increases and evolves. To the psychologist the Bible is just literature. But the Bible claims for itself divine origin." David J. Stewart.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:15 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike, I pray God will reveal the truth to you and his Holy Spirit will take a dealing with your soul.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Nope, I'm reading your comments and yours alone. Its a shame that you so ignorantly right off psychology because it conflicts with your belief systems. God forbid some worldly truth (which DOES exist) made you think outside the box, not to mention, the Bible doesn't cover such topics as pedophilia where psychology sheds some light!

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    EDUCATE YOURSELF RJ!!!!

    So I can believe the clap trap the world teaches . . . . .I'll pass.

    I don't think you are reading everything I've said, only little bits and even then you are getting mine and others comments mixed up.

    We are not going to agree.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:55 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Haha, "that power thing." You act as if I'm making things up. Once again, EDUCATE YOURSELF RJ!!!! I didn't say anything against the death penalty, I merely asked if gays should be put to death and speculated the reason someone would support that incredibly unbiblical view. It takes a twisted mind to think Christ would agree with such a thing.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    .....no one can intimidate a believer whose heart is totally GOD's.

    2 Chron 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of [them] whose heart [is] perfect toward him.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    .....I encourage everyone to study what God says about capital punishment ...
    ....let us have divine viewpoint and see clearly who is GOD.

    These links will help--


    The Bible's Teaching on Capital Punishment
    Pastor David L. Brown, Ph.D.
    http://logosresourcepages.org/OurTimes/capital.htm



    CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AND THE BIBLE
    =======================================================

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/2557614/Capital-Punishment-and-the-Bible-


    Capital Punishment and the Bible
    =====================================
    by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
    http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1974


    The Bible And Capital Punishment
    =====================================
    By David Smitherman
    http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-bible-and-capital-punishment.htm

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    What is crucial to notice here is that theonomic ethics comes to these conclusions on the basis of Biblical instruction. Men have no right to alter or spurn Old Testament laws on their own say-so, social traditions, or preconceived ideas about what is morally appropriate or inappropriate in the Mosaic law. They have no right to include more in the discontinuity between old and new covenants than can be warranted from divine revelation.

    Theonomy thus teaches that we should presume that Old Testament laws continue to be morally binding in the New Testament unless they are rescinded or modified by further revelation. Theonomy's methodology stands squarely against that of dispensational theology which maintains that all of the Old Testament commandments should be deemed -- in advance of exegesis -- to be abrogated, unless they are repeated in the New Testament.

    On this issue the words of our Lord are definitive and clear in Matthew 5:17-19. Jesus declared that he did not come not abrogate the Old Testament Law and Prophets, but to give them their full measure. John Murray wrote that Jesus' "fulfillment" of the law "refers to the function of validating and confirming the law and the prophets" (Principles of Conduct, p. 150). With respect to the Old Testament's moral standards, Jesus went on to insist that until the end of the physical cosmos, not the slightest stroke of the law will pass away. "Therefore whoever shall break one of these least commandments and teach men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven." Jesus confirmed the validity of the law, even down to its least commandment, and censures anyone who dares to teach otherwise (without authorization from the Lawgiver Himself). New Testament Christians must operate on the presumption of continuity with the Old Testament moral code.


    =====================================================================
    What Is "Theonomy"?
    By Dr. Greg Bahnsen
    http://www.cmfnow.com/articles/pe180.htm

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    ..when you say GOd's call for death penalty for criminals is murder..you are judging His words as if you are greater than GOD.

    ...your cry of "wolf"'Wolf' may go on until your last breath but those who are rational will just stare at you with pity.

    let me share with you what THE LORD GOD,JESUS CHRIST,taught:


    Covenant Theology
    The law revealed by Moses and subsequent Old Testament authors was given within a covenantal administration of God's grace which included not only moral instruction, but gloriously and mercifully "promises, prophecies, sacrifices, circumcision, the paschal lamb, and other types and ordinances delivered to the people of the Jews, all foresignifying Christ to come" (Westminster Confession of Faith VII.5). God's revelation itself teaches us that New Covenant believers, who have the law powerfully written on their hearts (Jer. 31:31ff.; Heb. 8:8-12), no longer follow the foreshadows and administrative details of the old covenant. They are obsolete (Heb. 8:13), having been imposed only until the time when the Messiah would come (Heb. 9:10; Col. 2:17). Thus, for example, on the basis of God's own instruction, we no longer resort to animal sacrifices at the temple and a Levitical priest (Heb. 7-10); the cultic dietary laws have been set aside, for God has cleansed the unclean meats (representing the Gentiles) from which Israel was to be separate or holy (Acts 10).

    Theonomy teaches, then, that in regard to the Old Testament law, the New Covenant surpasses the Old Covenant in glory, power, and finality. The New Covenant also supersedes the Old Covenant shadows, thereby changing the application of sacrificial, purity, and "separation" principles, redefining the people of God (e.g., Matt. 21:43), and also altering the significance of the promised land (e.g., Rom. 4:13; 1 Peter 1:4).

    con't

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    What you, JN, and RJ are picking and choosing is the parts about murder, while you ridicule the parts about love.

    You declare your allegiance to everything that pertains to harming other people, while deriding what Jesus taught, and for that matter you ignore those teachings of the Old Testament that are benevolent.

    If it involves murder, JN is calling for it to be enforced on a massive scale. If it involves love, you oppose it.

    *That* is what we mean by picking and choosing.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    TL wrote: "we do not want to quote the murderous part, because we know that it is wrong, and therefore, we are picking and choosing which parts to disregard."

    No, that's not what we are saying at all.

    JN and RJ *are* quoting the parts about mass murder, and JN is actively insisting that millions of people *must* be murdered or else she will support the destruction of the US.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    RJ wrote: "I was wretched and filthy and Jesus Christ loved me and washed me in his precious blood."

    RJ, you and JN are demanding OUR blood so that you can pour it all over yourself.

    *That* is why you are wretched and filthy.

    All you have to do is stop.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    What I think is amazing is, most homosexuals on this site always tell christians that speak out against homosexuality and quote Leviticus that we do not want to quote the murderous part, because we know that it is wrong, and therefore, we are picking and choosing which parts to disregard. Nevertheless, the christians always explain that we are under the New Covenant; therefore, people are not to be killed because they sin, but Christians have to pray for them and ask that Yahshua will change them.

    However, now we see that Uganda is trying to follow the Old Covenant.

    Therefore, I hope this is an example to the homosexuals the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Both Covenants speak out against homosexuality, but the New Covenant clearly demonstrates that people are not to be killed because they have sinned by other people. That type of Jugdment is for Yahweh and Him only. Christians' job is to witness and pray that people will repent and ask Yahshua to change them.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:38 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Just like you and JN, they call for murder in the name of a false and non-existent "god.""

    We believe in the only God there is, so your quite wrong there.

    We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for us and that we are washed in the blood of the Lamb.
    We know this because it was a work of God from start to finish and we had no part in it.
    Which is a good job, because if I had any part in my salvation, I would never have been redeemed, I would be eternally lost.

    I was wretched and filthy and Jesus Christ loved me and washed me in his precious blood.
    I am nothing and he is everything.

    God knew me and yet he still sent his only Begotten Son to Calvary to die such a death, for me, now that is Love.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:26 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    JehovahNissi's call for murder enacted:

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Sung%20Sin%20Shim%20Sung-min_murdered3.jpg

    His arms are still up where he held them while they killed him.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:26 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    RJ wrote: "By people who don't know God."

    Indeed, people just like "Jehovah"Nissi and you, who don't know God.

    Just like you and JN, they call for murder in the name of a false and non-existent "god."

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "JehovahNissi's call for murder was enacted on this man"

    By people who don't know God.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:17 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    JN is calling for millions of people to be murdered, like this man was:

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/images/Decapitated%20body%20of%20a%20man%20murdered%20by%20Croation%20Ustasha.jpg

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:16 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Here is what JehovahNissi is calling for in the name of her false religion, more dead bodies:

    http://www.sokwanele.com/files/images/JOSHUA2_420.jpg

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    JehovahNissi's call for murder was enacted on this man:

    http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/thai_jihad_31.jpg

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:12 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    More of the murder that "Jehovah" Nissi calls for.

    http://members.chello.nl/a.wichmann/stoning.jpg

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:09 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    In Iran, stoning is legal and is conducted primarily to murder women.

    http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/bm~pix/stoning-1~s600x600.jpg

    http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2008/january-2008/amnesty-international-calls-iran-to-stop-practice-.shtml

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    AMEN, RJ!!

    "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" matthew 5:3-4

    Studying the BEATITUDES is crucial in our understanding of how GOD's Kingdom people are blessed by having divine viewpoint!!

    The Lord Jesus taught in the beatitudes how one enters into the kingdom of GOD and how he should be all his life as citizen of the kingdom.


    THE BEATITUDES
    http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Beatitudes/beatitudes.htm

    The Beatitudes
    http://www.gracegems.org/Watson/beatitudes.htm

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:07 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Here are some photos of JehovahNissi's vision of murder for millions of people.

    http://www.worldproutassembly.org/Stoning.jpg

    http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2007/05/iraqi_girl_ston.html

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "I know she doesn't want to kill anyone"

    Then why does she keep calling for millions of people to be murdered? And why do you support that?

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike, there you go with that power thing again.

    Jn, can speak for herself, but I know she doesn't want to kill anyone, you just don't understand what she is getting at.

    Since the end of the death penalty in Britain and the lack of punishment full stop violent crime has gone through the roof.

    They fear nothing, because there is nothing for them (as far as they are concerned) to fear.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    jehovah, it is not our duty to carry out the Lord's justice. I think anyone who voices that we are is only in Christianity because they feel it gives them some power (the power to condemn others and call for their death.)

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You're welcome. :-)

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Good Morning RJ,

    THanks for the link....i'll listen to it right now...:O)

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ...... someone might raise that capital punishment appears to be a rather extreme step to take since it is as cruel, barbaric, and violent as the action committed by the criminal himself. .......... that capital punishment is resorting to the same kind of behavior as the criminal...that capital punishment be viewed as a vindictive retaliation.

    The biblical response to this question is seen in the oft’-repeated phrases:

    “his blood be upon him” (Leviticus 20:9,13,27; Deuteronomy 19:10; Ezekiel 18:13; 33:5) and “his blood be upon his own head” (Joshua 2:19; 2 Samuel 1:16; Ezekiel 33:4; Acts 18:6).

    Those who carry out the death sentence are, in reality, neutral third parties. They are merely carrying out the will of God in dispensing justice. The criminal is simply receiving what he brought upon himself—his “just desserts.”

    The expression “his blood be upon him” indicates that God assigns responsibility for the execution to the one being executed. It’s like we tell small children: “If you put your hand in the fire, you’re going to get burned.”

    There are consequences to our actions. If we do not want to be executed, we should not commit any act that merits death. If we do commit such an act, we have earned the death penalty, and we deserve to get what we have earned. The one who metes out the punishment is not to be blamed or considered responsible for the execution of the guilty.

    Rather than oppose those who promote capital punishment, painting them as insensitive ogres or uncaring, callous, uncivilized barbarians, effort would be better spent focusing upon the barbaric behavior of the criminals who rape, plunder, and pillage. It is their behavior that should be kept in mind.

    Tears and compassion ought to center on the innocent victims and their families. Lethal injection of a wicked evildoer hardly can match the violent, inhuman suffering and death experienced by the innocent victims of crime. They continue to suffer, while the perpetrator carries on for many years, many trials, and many appeals before justice is served—if it ever is.

    The God of the Bible is incensed and outraged at such circumstances. The time has come to start listening to Him as He speaks through His inspired Word.




    http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1974

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:34 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    JNissi wrote: "Men have no right to alter or spurn Old Testament laws"

    Yes, we do. :-) You yourself not only alter and spurn the vast majority of the Old Testament, but you also despise and ridicule the teachings of Jesus.

    Jesus taught that we have not only the right but the responsibility to do good, rather than following OT laws.

    Paul taught that following the law was the road to hell. That is the road you are on JN.

    You demand the murder of hundreds of thousands of people to appease you imaginary evil deity.

    Your god is your hatred. You have the right to your religion, but your religion is not Christianity. Murder is your religion.

    Jesus Christ is the first man you would murder.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jn, I think you would really enjoy this, I've put the name of it first, just incase the link doesn't work for you.
    It's in 6 parts.

    "Meek" Does Not Mean "Weak" (Mark Kielar) It's on youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBETBQ5MeV4&feature=related

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Great post Joe. ;-)

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I encourage everyone to study what God says about capital punishment ...
    ....let us have divine viewpoint and see clearly who is GOD.

    These links will help--


    The Bible's Teaching on Capital Punishment
    Pastor David L. Brown, Ph.D.
    http://logosresourcepages.org/OurTimes/capital.htm



    CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AND THE BIBLE
    =======================================================

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/2557614/Capital-Punishment-and-the-Bible-


    Capital Punishment and the Bible
    =====================================
    by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
    http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1974


    The Bible And Capital Punishment
    =====================================
    By David Smitherman
    http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-bible-and-capital-punishment.htm

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What is crucial to notice here is that theonomic ethics comes to these conclusions on the basis of Biblical instruction. Men have no right to alter or spurn Old Testament laws on their own say-so, social traditions, or preconceived ideas about what is morally appropriate or inappropriate in the Mosaic law. They have no right to include more in the discontinuity between old and new covenants than can be warranted from divine revelation.

    Theonomy thus teaches that we should presume that Old Testament laws continue to be morally binding in the New Testament unless they are rescinded or modified by further revelation. Theonomy's methodology stands squarely against that of dispensational theology which maintains that all of the Old Testament commandments should be deemed -- in advance of exegesis -- to be abrogated, unless they are repeated in the New Testament.

    On this issue the words of our Lord are definitive and clear in Matthew 5:17-19. Jesus declared that he did not come not abrogate the Old Testament Law and Prophets, but to give them their full measure. John Murray wrote that Jesus' "fulfillment" of the law "refers to the function of validating and confirming the law and the prophets" (Principles of Conduct, p. 150). With respect to the Old Testament's moral standards, Jesus went on to insist that until the end of the physical cosmos, not the slightest stroke of the law will pass away. "Therefore whoever shall break one of these least commandments and teach men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven." Jesus confirmed the validity of the law, even down to its least commandment, and censures anyone who dares to teach otherwise (without authorization from the Lawgiver Himself). New Testament Christians must operate on the presumption of continuity with the Old Testament moral code.


    =====================================================================
    What Is "Theonomy"?
    By Dr. Greg Bahnsen
    http://www.cmfnow.com/articles/pe180.htm

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    let me share with you what THE LORD GOD,JESUS CHRIST,taught:


    Covenant Theology
    The law revealed by Moses and subsequent Old Testament authors was given within a covenantal administration of God's grace which included not only moral instruction, but gloriously and mercifully "promises, prophecies, sacrifices, circumcision, the paschal lamb, and other types and ordinances delivered to the people of the Jews, all foresignifying Christ to come" (Westminster Confession of Faith VII.5). God's revelation itself teaches us that New Covenant believers, who have the law powerfully written on their hearts (Jer. 31:31ff.; Heb. 8:8-12), no longer follow the foreshadows and administrative details of the old covenant. They are obsolete (Heb. 8:13), having been imposed only until the time when the Messiah would come (Heb. 9:10; Col. 2:17). Thus, for example, on the basis of God's own instruction, we no longer resort to animal sacrifices at the temple and a Levitical priest (Heb. 7-10); the cultic dietary laws have been set aside, for God has cleansed the unclean meats (representing the Gentiles) from which Israel was to be separate or holy (Acts 10).

    Theonomy teaches, then, that in regard to the Old Testament law, the New Covenant surpasses the Old Covenant in glory, power, and finality. The New Covenant also supersedes the Old Covenant shadows, thereby changing the application of sacrificial, purity, and "separation" principles, redefining the people of God (e.g., Matt. 21:43), and also altering the significance of the promised land (e.g., Rom. 4:13; 1 Peter 1:4).

    con't

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:15 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    It is an interesting question - what do we do when one person's religion calls for mass murder of other people?

    In your posts today you called for mass murder where millions of people are required to stand in line to be murdered by swords.

    Why do you want to call yourself Christian? You despise everything that Jesus taught.

  • Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Of course mass murder is different from the death penalty. What *you* have been calling for is mass murder.

    That is the religion you have been preaching for months, and especially for the past few days. For example, you wrote five posts in another thread today demanding that we "Put Homosexuals to the Sword."

    Your religion is not Christianity; Jesus Christ would have been the first you would put your sword through.

    But as you will insist, you have the right to follow whatever "religion" you dream up.

  • Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    death penalty is totally different from murder... Why would GOD call for death penalty also for murderers? If God requires death penalty for criminals would you say He is a murderer?

    You should study the difference so that you won't be hysterical....

  • Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Joe12234 wrote: "I, in no way, shape or form, support mass murder"

    That is great Joe, but just this morning (6:31am) you issued a call for mass murder of gay people, and you specifically referred to me in this death threat.

    If you want to retract the death threat that you addressed to me, how about deleting the post where you issued it?

    You can just click on the word "Delete" at the top right of the box. I would appreciate it if you would retract the death threat that you addressed to me.

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