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Society|Wed, Nov. 04 2009 10:00 AM EDT

Maine Voters Repeal Gay Marriage Law

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

The majority of voters in Maine rejected a law on Tuesday that allowed gay and lesbian couples to wed.

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    (Photo: AP / Robert F. Bukaty)
    Frank Schubert, campaign director for Stand for Marriage Maine, claims victory for Yes on 1, Tuesday evening, Nov. 3, 2009, in Portland, Maine. Question 1 was the proposal to rescind the Legislature's approval of same-sex marriage
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    In this photo made Friday, Oct. 30, 2009, 'Yes on 1' campaign posters are seen at a corner in Portland, Maine. Maine voters go to the polls next Tuesday and will have the opportunity to become the first in the nation to approve gay marriage.
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After months of campaigning and millions of dollars in ads, traditional marriage supporters claimed victory at the ballot box with 53 percent of the vote.

"This has never been about gay rights," said Marc Mutty, chairman of Stand for Marriage Maine, according to the Los Angeles Times. "It's about marriage, and this is reaffirmation by the people of Maine that marriage between men and women is special and unique."

The state law legalizing same-sex marriage was passed by the Legislature and signed by Gov. John Baldacci in May. Before the law could go into effect in September, opponents submitted enough signatures for a "people's veto," subjecting the measure to repeal.

While gay rights advocates were hoping to make history by affirming same-sex marriage by popular vote, their votes came up short on Tuesday.

"Yesterday, hundreds of thousands of Maine voters stood for equality, but in the end, it wasn't enough," said Jesse Connolly, campaign manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality.

He assured supporters that their efforts would not stop and that they were in this for the long haul "because in the end, this has always been about love and family and that will always be something worth fighting for."

Whenever given the opportunity, U.S. voters have upheld the traditional definition of marriage. Constitutional amendments affirming marriage as between one man and one woman have been passed in 29 states in the past 10 years and statutes to the same effect have been adopted in another 15 states, according to the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

Recent polls have also shown that the majority of American voters continue to oppose the legalization of same-sex marriage. According to the Gallup Poll, 57 percent of Americans say marriages between same-sex couples should not be recognized by the law as valid while 40 percent say such marriages should be legal.

Same-sex marriage is currently legal in five states – Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa and New Hampshire – all of which passed the laws through legislation or court rulings.

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  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I don't mind. We all have a period of sexual development. You know, boys generally going from the time they think girls are "yucky" to the point of wanting to impress them and date them and all the way to sexual curiosities.

    Well for me (and I would assume most gay people, in their own way and time) when I first had any kind of that development I began to notice that my peers, others boys my age, started saying things and displaying feelings that I was not having. In fact, the closest thing I could understand was feelings that I had toward other boys, not girls. I filed that away in the "I don't want to think about it" drawer.

    Well, that continued despite my best efforts to deny it, will it away, pray my little heart out, wish on stars, you name it. I could tell you some crazy stories of what my young mind thought in order to try and make that not be the case. To the extent I could, I pushed it away into that same drawer. I dated girls, went to dances with girls like my friends did, generally did what I saw all the other boys doing and what I thought the girls wanted.

    But the thing is -- none of it was real. It was like the whole thing was a game of "What do I have to do to fit in" because none of those things came naturally and I didn't particularly enjoy them. Kissing a girl was like...kissing my arm. Nothing.

    But still, determined young man that I was, I continued with the denying and praying and wishing. You have no idea.

    I even convinced myself that it was all because every boy feels that way for other boys and not girls. That is part of the process, I told myself. One of these days I will wake up and the feelings toward girls will be real, not just pretend.

    EVENTUALLY, I was totally exhausted by this. And stressed, and enormously depressed. Eventually came the day when I had no choice but to consider that maybe the reason for all this was because I was gay. Oh boy, I fought that notion so hard. I would have sold my grandma's soul to un-do those feelings and feel the "right" things for girls.

    Why? Because it was crystal clear by that time what the world thinks of gay people. This might sound blunt, but it is the way I felt: I was 100% certain that I would rather be dead than gay.

    That, in the long version, is what I meant by "terrible thing to contemplate."

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    nobigots, if you don't mind sharing what do you mean by "terrible thing to contemplate"?

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That is interesting, I would never guessed that a person would question their sexual orientation for any other reason except they find themselves attracted to their same gender. For me it was such a terrible thing to comtemplate I would never, ever have even begun to question it had I not reached a point where I very clearly had romantic attractions *only* for my same gender.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    nb, I have never had any romantic/physical attraction towards men, however there were men who had them towards me and in my teens it did not appear any girls had them towards me and I began to wonder if I was homosexual. Then some of my friends told me I could make money if I let these guys mess with me and I was stupid enough to try it once, but was so scared I never thought about trying it again. But that was before I knew that God wanted to have a personal relationship with me through His Son, Jesus Christ and before I became a Christian, but after I became a Christian I came to realize that I was not homosexual, but never lost my sensitivity to the struggle some go through with their sexual identity.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    nb, I don't believe that homosexuals are inherently bad, but like all humans they are born with a sin nature and when given the choice like all human will normally choose to sin. I also believe that if a homosexual comes to believe that same-sex attractions are a sin in the sight of God that God will give them the ability by the Holy Spirit to experience victory over same-sex attractions and the sins they lead to.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "To me deciding one's sexual orientation is a form of a choice, one weighs all the evidence and decides what they are going to be and to you it appears it is simply acceptance of the evidence of what appears to be the obvious. And to be honest I'm not sure which one is correct or if either one is wrong!"

    A bisexual person experiences sexual orientation as a choice. A person who experiences sexual orientation as a choice is by definition bisexual.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that!

    But for many people, it is not a choice. Such people are called heterosexuals and homosexuals.

    Neither group is wrong. For some people it is a choice. They are bisexuals; of *course* it's a choice.

    For other people it is not a choice. They are monosexuals.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer, I am confused. Have you had romantic and/or physical attractions to other men or not?

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer, yes I would still put that reason in the 'bad' pile. Because it feeds the idea that gay people are inherently bad. The person believes it, their family believes it, others with gay family members or friends believe it more....pretty soon no one faces reality because they're too busy entertaining the idea that all gay people should pretend not to be. That's dumb.

    On principle, there is never a good reason to create a new identity other than one's true identity. We are all beautiful exactly as we are. Start messing with that, thinking you can improve on it, and I am inclined to think it is never a good idea.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, I have never admitted I was homosexual, but per usual that's doesn't keep you from making your false accusations!! Plus, what's really comical is that most of if not all those who admit to being homosexual have read the same things you have and say that I am not a homosexual. I wonder why that is, could it be you're a little confused with your own sexual orientation??

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "The only one who has declared me to be homosexual is doctor mickey! "

    And, of course, the fact that you admitted it, including selling yourself as a hustler. But hey, why let facts stand in the way of your fantasy world.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "The shame is that you harm yourself and many others-your wife, by not loving her as a straight man would, your kids for propping up a fake love with your wife-all things are hateful in the eyes of God
    Put down the book and start thinking with your heart"

    Amen

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "norman, plus, I am not being a phoney with my wife and son and in fact I have shared my life experiences with her and she was totally understanding and realizes that I in no way am i homosexual."

    She really has no choice if she wants her marriage to last.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    nobigots, but not a bad reason for those led of God to do so!!

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Which I would put in the category of 'bad reasons.'

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    nobigots, and a third reason is they have come to believe they can change their sexual orientation, sexual identity!

  • Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    There is a choice involved, but the choice is not to pick a sexual orientation. The choice is either to live by one's natural orientation or to reject what comes naturally live a different way.

    Some people may see nothing wrong with choice #2, but I can think of numerous very, very good reasons why it is wrong. Most people who do it have only one or two reasons, and they are not very good: religiou belief or fear of being treated badly.

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    gguy, per usual I appreciate your honesty and passion. But your last post really showed me so much character on your part. And I think in some ways our last post to each other had more in common then perhaps you realize. I am by no means saying that determining one's sexual orientation is easy for all people and for some of us it in fact was a very hard fought struggle to determine it. But our diffference of opinion comes at the point of final determination. To me deciding one's sexual orientation is a form of a choice, one weighs all the evidence and decides what they are going to be and to you it appears it is simply acceptance of the evidence of what appears to be the obvious. And to be honest I'm not sure which one is correct or if either one is wrong! But the bottomline for me is I have gained a much greater appreciation for your struggle in this area and a greater sensitivity to how you respond to some posters on these sites.

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No way. Not a chance. Gay people come from every possible background, having been through every possible set of circumstances. Not to mention, if one's personal will was even a factor then there would not be any gay people left. Ask any of us who finally accepted and dealt with it. The process of getting there was horrendous, and if there was even the slightest chance that one's personal will could determine orientation, we simply would not be gay. hide

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    gguy, let me share what I see choosing as, there is choosing as related to reading and selecting from a menu and then there is choosing by evaluating the evidence we have and determining an outcome. In the case of sexual orientation we consider our life experiences, what we've been taught both formally and informally, we evalute our own personality based on what we have been taught and seen, and we basically come to believe what our sexual orientation is.

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    believer, I absolutely do not believe for one second that anybody ever determined their own sexual orientation. Have you ever known a straight person to decide to be gay? Why would they? Honestly, if people could choose there would be no more gay people.

    The only thing we can choose is whether to face it honestly or not.

    If your instinctual gut attractions have been to women, you didn't struggle with that. If your instinctual gut attractions are for men, you are gay. It is as simple as that.

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    gguy, my sharing that I struggled with my sexuality is where our disagreement on the cause for one's sexual orientation causes us to bump heads. Because I don't believe a person is born homosexual I believe that one must determine their sexuality and since you believe one is born homosexual their sexuality is a given. If that assumption is correct then what do you believe leads us to struggle with that issue as I and many others I know did? Now please keep in mind that there are many like my wife where their sexual orientation was never an issue and it appears no choice was ever made, but then a number of people I know had to determine their sexual orientation. So what if any do you see is the difference?

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    gguy, I certainly appreciate your concern and sensitivity and as I've said several times I appreciate your openess and civility when we debate on these very crucial issues!

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    believer, thank you for sharing your story. I had not known all that. I'm sorry you had such horrible experiences. No one deserves those things.

    But why do you say you struggled with your sexuality? It doesn't sound like you did. If you never had the hots for a man, and you do have the hots for women, you are straight.

    The fact that another man raped you only makes you a victim of a crime. A person's experiences and behaviors are not the same thing as their innate sexual orientation. In other words, gay people can have straight sex and straight people can have gay sex, but neither change the person's orientation.

  • Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    norman, plus, I am not being a phoney with my wife and son and in fact I have shared my life experiences with her and she was totally understanding and realizes that I in no way am i homosexual.

  • Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    norman, you can't always believe what you read. The only one who has declared me to be homosexual is doctor mickey! When I was a teen I struggled with my sexuality, I had no luck in getting girls to like me and yet homosexuals and pedophiles did. I also ran with a group of guys who told me I could make money by hustling those guys and I was stupid enough to try it once and was scared to death the whole time. So yes, there was a time in my life when I wondered if I was homosexual but I can honestly say I never had the hots for a man nor did I want to have sexual intimacy with a man. And then at the age of 19 after I became a Christian, God showed I was indeed heterosexual. But as a result of my own struggle I do my best and with God's help to be sensitive to others who are going through similar struggles. Also when I was 17 in the midst of drunken stupor I was homosexually raped by someone I thought was my friend who was drunk as well. After becoming a Christian, God gave me the ability to forgive that person and in fact I've spoken to him since and found out that he to is married and raising a family.

  • Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I think it's funny that believer is a gay person who "chose" to be straight because he fears burning in hell...I was that person too, believer-but I found God and embraced my true self-God has blessed me for that-making me so completely happy and fulfilled-I should not have denied myself for so long!!
    You know in your heart you are not being who God intended you to be...
    The shame is that you harm yourself and many others-your wife, by not loving her as a straight man would, your kids for propping up a fake love with your wife-all things are hateful in the eyes of God
    Put down the book and start thinking with your heart

  • Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    RJ, there is no doubt you've been doing things for the Lord right here, but I can appreciate your frustration in posting with people who appear to have given themselves over to a reprobate mind. Appreciate your honesty and desire to do what's right in the sight of God.

  • Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:42 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    "I'm going to stop posting now, as I have to start doing thing's for the Lord "

    Oh please, you do NOTHING for the Lord except embarrass Him with all of your hate.

  • Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:20 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I'm going to stop posting now, as I have to start doing thing's for the Lord and really getting into his Word and no offfence, but this isn't working, you only have to read the posts of the likes of MickyC and Hm to see this.

    I would like to say that it has been nice talking with some of you.

    Jn, we won't agree on the Calvinism issue, but you are a sister in the Lord, of this I'm sure.

    God bless you. :-)

    I think it's time to come off the internet, as I don't know how much time I have left and I could have been putting that time to better use.

    God bless you all and may God save all your families and all those on this forum that are still in their sins.

  • Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The previous video's that I have posted links to are calvinistic in their doctrine,so forgive me for that, but I did get something from them and that is, that we as believers need to be doing as much for the Lord as we possibly can.
    There should be a marked difference between us and the world.

    Lets us throw out our tv's and stay away for the movie houses, let us seperate ourselves for the pleasures of this world, that are for a season only.
    Let us not grieve the very Holy Spirit of God and put him through such filth.

    I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me. Psalm 101:3.

    We are known by our fruits, lets be found blameless, God bless all of you and that means ALL of you.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    RJ, THANKS..... :o) Goodnight!!

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Finished reading, just checking a couple of thing's and then I'm going to bed.

    " know what is written exactly in Isaiah 53. I was just quoting Paul Washer. :O)"

    "It was GOd the Father who crashed His only begotten SOn...clearly in Isaiah 53...it says "it pleased Yahweh to crash Him"


    I meant you needed to change crashed to crushed and crash to crush.

    The other links were called:

    Joel Osteen, it's just the Truth - Paul Washer

    Jesus Died! - Paul Washer

    They are both on youtube.

    Goodnight , really this time. :-)

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    can't get to the other links.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWMrKcFKqzk&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a11ASw5NRUw&NR=1


    INCHRIST
    -F-

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Goodnight, RJ
    Have a peaceful sleep and be filled with God's joy tomorrow :O)

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    See my 3.44pm-link about the Blood. :-)

    "It was GOd the Father who crashed His only begotten SOn...clearly in Isaiah 53...it says "it pleased Yahweh to crash Him"


    You might want to change a letter in a couple of words here.

    Goodnight. :-)

    ====================================================================

    I know what is written exactly in Isaiah 53. I was just quoting Paul Washer. :O)

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    See my 3.44pm-link about the Blood. :-)

    "It was GOd the Father who crashed His only begotten SOn...clearly in Isaiah 53...it says "it pleased Yahweh to crash Him"


    You might want to change a letter in a couple of words here.

    Goodnight. :-)

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    RJ

    The only grumble I have is there was no mention of the blood.
    "without the blood there's no remission"
    =====================================================================


    he did present the gospel......not in those exact words "without the blood there's no remission"



    Quote:

    "The only way you and I can even be reconciled to the HOly GOD is through the death of God's own SOn when He hung on that tree....so how do you know why you are saved if you are saved?...because when Jesus CHrist was hanging on that cross He bore your sins...the sins of God's people and all the fierce wrath of GOd that shold fall upon you fell upon His oly begotten SOn....Someone had to pay that price...SOmeone had to die. It was GOd the Father who crashed His only begotten SOn...clearly in Isaiah 53...it says "it pleased Yahweh to crash Him"
    People say the cross is a sign of how much men is worth. THat is not true. THe cross is the sign of how much depraved we really are...that it took the death of GOd's only begotten SOn. The only thing that could save a people like us is the death of His own SOn under the wrath of His own Father paying the price!....RIsing again from the grave...powerful to save!!! THIS IS THE GOSPEL OF JESUS"


    i'll listen to your next link :O)

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I've got some reading to do, so goodnight.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "The only grumble I have is there was no mention of the blood."

    "without the blood there's no remission"

    Yeah, I found it, the blood. Hallelujah.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a11ASw5NRUw&NR=1


    It would have been better without the music.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I'm going to have to be careful, I hate lifting men up too much, but this man is one passionate preacher and he really does have the love of God in him.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWMrKcFKqzk&feature=related

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    i'm listening right now :O)


    Great. :-)

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    RJ
    i'm listening right now :O)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncEhCvrVgQ

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncEhCvrVgQ

    I watched this video and it was fantastic.

    The only grumble I have is there was no mention of the blood.

    "without the blood there's no remission"

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I just tried to post something that took me a while to write and it said I used bad language, but I didn't and I didn't copy it.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    yes, i believe honoring a man that much is too much.....it is not calvin's fault though :O)

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I noticed the Calvin celebration tour at the bottom of this page.
    You can believe the same doctrine as him, but don't celebrate him.

    If he was truly the man of God that people claim he was, he would hate what people have made him into.

    Sorry, but I had to mention that.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Blessings RJ

    RJ: Jn, do you think that a person can think they are saved for so many years and then actually get saved, but not realise that this has happened?

    Just think that they have been carnal and that they wanted not to be anymore, but really they had recently been saved?

    I don't know if that makes any sense. . . .

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ...not realise that this has happened? hmmm....If GOd caused one to be born again that person will have a renewed mind and a remakable outlook and response toward GOD and the things of GOD...

    ...one case is Saul of Tarsus who became the apostle Paul. He knew all his life prior to his conversion that he was zealously serving for the Lord and the appointed time came when he had to reckon with Jesus Himself and he became GOd's apostle to the gentiles. That is a rearkable change Paul himself recognized.

    ..wanting not to sin anymore--that is definitely a sign of a repentant heart,,a new heart that desires to love and please God.

    ....Jhn 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. "

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Can a person preach the gospel and yet be lost themselves?

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    yes..that can be also

    Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'


    Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Can a person preach the gospel and yet be lost themselves?

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Jn, do you think that a person can think they are saved for so many years and then actually get saved, but not realise that this has happened?
    Just think that they have been carnal and that they wanted not to be anymore, but really they had recently been saved?

    I don't know if that makes any sense. . . .

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