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World|Fri, Jul. 13 2007 02:31 PM EDT

Protestant Heads Still Committed to Dialogue Despite Vatican's 'One True Church' Claim

By Ethan Cole|Christian Post Reporter

Following the quick response from the head of the world’s Reformed churches, more Protestant denominational heads have spoken out against the Vatican’s reassertion this week of the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church.

However, the leaders, although voicing disagreement with the Vatican, noted that the statement is nothing new.

“Similar statements and perspectives precipitated the 16th century Reformation nearly 500 years ago,” Dr. Gerald B. Kieschnick, president of The Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod, said in a statement Thursday.

“At that time Martin Luther said, ‘Popes and councils can err.’ Apparently that is still true today,” he added.

Earlier this week, Pope Benedict XVI approved a document which stated that the Roman Catholic Church is the “one true Church,” while all non-Catholic churches are simply “ecclesial communities.”

“Other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches and Catholicism provides the only true path to salvation,” the pope was quoted as saying.

In response, global Protestant church bodies – which have often held ecumenical meetings with the Catholic Church – expressed disappointment at the statement in regards to efforts on Christian unity.

In a letter addressed to Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council of Christian Unity, the Rev. Dr. Setri Nyomi of the World Alliance of Reformed Churches (WARC) questioned the Vatican’s statement at a time where society as well as the Christian body is struggling with division and placing great emphasis on unity.

“We are puzzled by the release of a statement of this kind at this time in the history of the church,” wrote the WARC’s general secretary in the letter Tuesday. “An exclusive claim that identifies the Roman Catholic Church as the one church of Jesus Christ … goes against the spirit of our Christian calling toward oneness in Christ.

“It makes us question the seriousness with which the Roman Catholic Church takes its dialogues with the Reformed family and other families of the church,” the letter added. “It makes us question whether we are indeed praying together for Christian unity.”

Two days later, the Lutheran World Federation’s general secretary, the Rev. Dr. Ishmael Noko, said Lutheran churches “do not accept the understandings of church or the description of our lived reality of faith” found in the Vatican document, titled “Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church.”

Moreover, Noko, like LCMS’s Kieschnick, said that though the Vatican’s position is nothing new to them, they were “saddened and disappointed that it is reasserted again for our current context, in which the work of ecumenical partnership has produced such significant results.”

However, the heads of the LWF, LCMS, the WARC, and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) have all said they remain committed to ecumenical dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church.

"Understanding ourselves to be fully church, where the gospel is rightly preached and the sacraments rightly administered, we remain committed to ecumenical dialogue, including continued conversation with our partners in the Roman Catholic Church," the LWF’s Noko stressed.

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  • Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The problem that laforte and I have with the Catholic beliefs is that they claim certain things in "the name of God" (or more often in the name of the Church) that are not Biblical. That is using the Lord's name in vain. There is a mad man in africa who has built an army of children. He kidnaps them, rapes them, forces them to kill their own families...all in the name of God. Does that mean he's right too?

  • Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    1st Corinthians

    If say that murder is a sin...am I being judgemental? Or am i merely quoting the Bible?

  • Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    IM sorry,you misunderstand the meaning and the application of the word( judge)Please look up the word within a strongs concordance,greek 2919-you will see there the word,has multiple meanings and applications,there is a portion that belongs to God and a portion that belongs to man,a person is Not allowed to believe whatever they wish,hence the word judgment,actions have responsibilitys attached be it word or deed,

  • Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:12 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I posted this on another article too, but just in case you don't read that, you can read it here.


    Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish; God is the only one who will in the end tell us what is right or wrong. Catholics believe what they wish, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, etc, do the same. So I challenge you all. Instead of focusing on what YOU believe to be wrong about the Catholic Church (OR any OTHER church for that matter), focus on your own faith, because in the end, isn't that what really matters anyways??

    Also, Mat 7:1 Judge not lest you be judged. Ya, thats from the Bible. Obviously those posting have read it... so how 'bout we listen....

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    laforte...yes i did. I apologize for not responding. I'll try to do so tonight yet, or tomorrow afternoon at the latest. It is almost 8pm here and I have to get up at 12:30am to go to work. But I will try. Thanks for reminding me. LOL.

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet did you get my message. email me.Ii checked your other site.

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    my previous3-4comments were forJDNWF66

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    peter had nothing to do with the founding of catholic anything,That Idea has twisted scripture to fit the man made doctrine of catholics into there own image and likeness that has nothing to do with Jesus other than lip service.

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Yes, I was aware of what happened in history with the Catholic Church and allowing pagan political leaders to have influence on it's beliefs and future. I make no argument that Peter may have been the one to found the Catholic Faith (although there is no concrete proof of such, mainly conjecture), but if he had I am quite certain is nothing near what Catholicism is today. I'm sure if he were alive today he would be completely outraged at how the Word of God has been prostituted in the name of The Church. From what I've read, the first recordable "Pope" was Pope Leo I in the 4th century. I may be mistaken though.
    Although I am part of an organized "labeled" church, I do not adhere nor believe in all that they do. But the subjects of our disagreement are so trivial that it has nothing to do with our eternal future.
    For example, our church encourages becoming a member. I do not believe in that. I am a member of the Body whether they accept me or not. I do understand the reasoning behind it, though. It was created to keep some kind of order to the church especially when voting or deciding on particular subjects. You don't want just any John Doe being able to decide the fate of the church, especially if they're not even saved. But, then again, I do have differing views on how the church is set up...with the "sheep" having the powers and not the "shepherd". But that would take me an hour to write.
    Point is this...I do not agree with that particular policy, but I am there because God has told me to. And he has blessed me. I have been there 15 years and never been a "member". I feel I prove my allegience to my church by my faithfulness. And God has blessed me and uses me. During those 15 years I have been an assistant youth pastor, in the worship band, in charge of the computer ministry, one of the home prayer group leaders, and the leader of our hospital visitation ministry. All without being a "member". And in those 15 years I have seen scores of people start attending our church, go through the class, and become a member...and then a month later they disappear. I don't want someone like that being able to vote on the future of my church.
    No church or denomination is perfect. But as long as you are where God tells you to be, and doing what He asks you you to do, he will bless you.
    And to those who may read this...if the doctrine your church teaches can not be backed by scripture, then it is your duty to question the authenticity of your church.

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    as a former catholic-I can say the catholic teachings are just that catholic,Not biblical-for the most part,they are doctrines of there- powers that be,even there scriptures are in error,research the history of how the (textus-sinaticus)catholic bible- came into being,Compared to the( textus recepticus)from where the original kjv came from.and see the how what and why the conection to the old pagan rome and the power struggle.and how for political reasons to stabilize the political powers through religion-all for the glory of rome,which had nothing to do with Jesus the Christ,or his teachings,for the seeds of catholics were in play even in pauls day he warned against those who brought in damable doctrins and he warned against them.the history of the catholic church is simmilar in pattern of history as is the muslims history,2% truth with98% lies,research historical texts,dont take my word for it.
    laforte2007

    * Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:19 pm
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    at the time these scriptures were written The cathholic church was in a embryonic state it wasnt untill much later- approx, 150 years latter that they began making the claims of superiority,the writers of The bible spoke about JESUS THE CHRIST and it Was,& is HE- they followed-.& there IS No other they- nor I follow,ITS all about Jesus,Not a church- no matter who else makes statements to the contrary,I do not worship the bible I learn from it,I dont bow before any man,no matter what his or her title.

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    as a former catholic-I can say the catholic teachings are just that catholic,Not biblical-for the most part,they are doctrines of there- powers that be,even there scriptures are in error,research the history of how the (textus-sinaticus)catholic bible- came into being,Compared to the( textus recepticus)from where the original kjv came from.and see the how what and why the conection to the old pagan rome and the power struggle.and how for political reasons to stabilize the political powers through religion-all for the glory of rome,which had nothing to do with Jesus the Christ,or his teachings,for the seeds of catholics were in play even in pauls day he warned against those who brought in damable doctrins and he warned against them.the history of the catholic church is simmilar in pattern of history as is the muslims history,2% truth with98% lies,research historical texts,dont take my word for it.

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    at the time these scriptures were written The cathholic church was in a embryonic state it wasnt untill much later- approx, 150 years latter that they began making the claims of superiority,the writers of The bible spoke about JESUS THE CHRIST and it Was,& is HE- they followed-.& there IS No other they- nor I follow,ITS all about Jesus,Not a church- no matter who else makes statements to the contrary,I do not worship the bible I learn from it,I dont bow before any man,no matter what his or her title.

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    THE scriptures youve chosen have been misused go to the begining of the given topics and read them with full understanding about whats being talked about,I see How a Christian should comport ONEself in tim: and the other again go back to the begining and read it as it was ment to be read take each thought and start to build a picture of what is being spoken about,

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:50 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "The Pillar and Foundation of Truth IS The Church", not The Bible Alone as asserted by The Protestants and clarified by The Pope of Rome. 1 Tim 3:15. Look it up yourselves. Also, 2 Thess 2:15 where it says clearly to the chagrin of those who would say that The Bible Alone is my sole rule of Faith. The Bible never says that and to the contrary in this chapter and verse this is what it REALLY, REALLY says, "Hold Fast To The Traditions You Have Received from us Be It Written Epistle OR Oral Tradition". :)

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Im going to bed. I pray God's blessing on you and your family. I hope we can chat again.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    that is true. every faith/denomination has its differences, but most of them really are trivial. But for the most part we all agree that there is only one true way to salvation....and it's not a church or denomination. It's through the Blood of Jesus. I could find something to disagree with in every church...and I do in the one that I attend now...but it is where God told me be stay for now. And He has blessed me immensely. The differences I have with my church are extremely small compared to the love that God has given me for His children. "Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins" I Peter 4:8.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I will see ya there

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    amen to that,similar issues throughout the churchs.many of the problems biblicly speaking are not confined to catholic church only many of the same excuses pervade others as well,includes most of the other churchs many claim knowledge of scripyure yet when looked at they seem to defy scripture in practice

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    laforte...if you are ever in the web-area...lol...come visit me at www.isaiahscry.blogspot.com. I always enjoy fellowship with another believer.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The recent statement from Rome which exalts herself as the one true chuch reminds me of that passage in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.

    It reads: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (Christ's return) shall not come, except there come a falling (apostasy in the church) away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple (the christian church) of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    Jesus said, " scripture cannot be broken" . . . . . .John 10:35. It alone is the only standard that our savior left us!

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    laforte...whenever I asked him a question about the bible he would not respond with scripture, but always with what the Church said about the subject. It is not a good situation to be lead by a church instead of God. He seems to have studied the history of the Catholic church, but ignored the Word of God. It is self-apparent where his priorities and allegiance lies. The Church, not God. Let's keep him in our prayers and others who are so entrenched in Catholicism that they cannot see correctly. Do not get me wrong...as I told him, I know there are many Catholics who are going to heaven, but there are many more who will not.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Just as the Pharisees you refuse to answer my question...because to do so would be to condemn yourself and your beliefs. So if the Protestants are doing the same thing as the Cahtolics (healings and such) sounds to me that they are as much a part of the church as the Catholics are. Man, that is good to know that what the Pope has said about me is just a bunch of hoopla...even though his opinion of me or my "title" has never had the slightest thing to do with my salvation nor my place in heaven.
    And once again you boast of somethng you know nothing about. You assume the protestants are begging to be let back in because maybe it soothes the pains of knowing that catholicsm is not all it appears to be. But could it be that the protestants aren't trying to get in....maybe they're trying to get you out.....
    Praying to the saints has no Biblical foundation.
    Praying to Mary has no Biblical foundation.
    Priests absolving people of their sins has no Biblical foundation.
    They are all man-mad traditions, and take away from the sovereignty and power of God and the power of the Blood and sacrifice of Jesus' death. It places the Catholic Church and it's teachings above Him and His eternal Word.
    Romans chapter one: "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.."
    Be careful, truthandjustice, you play with the flames of hell and they will take you some day if you're not careful.
    First Peter chapter one: "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:" wow...so I am not saved by the vain conversations received by tradition from my fathers...or Popes....but with the precious blood of Christ. How comforting to know that my salvation does not lie in what the Pope thinks or says.


  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    so truthandjustice runs away?whithout any scripture to suport the position he aligns himself with,each and every person is alown responcible for there own spiritual wellfare not a church not any other teacher and if a person is so lazy and beleves every thing that comes there way they will fail in this life and the next study to show yourselfs approved by God,A workman that need not be ashamed,rightfully dividing the word.of truth.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    the size of a church doesnt signal there holyness or rightness I would dare to say the catholic church is about the sam sise as the belevere of islam.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well prophet I've really enjoyed these last few days, I've been in a slump with regards to a paper that is due pretty soon and wanted to write about something completely different - discussing theological differences has been great. You said that you look forward to seeing me in heaven and I hope and pray that you get there. As for all my other protester friends keep those signs held high. PEACE!

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    the teachings and doctrines of these churchs that want to covort within catholic circles are as misguided as your own-biblicly speaking,if you have a glass of water and put 99%waterand1% poison how much can you drink and avoid the poison

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    humor me show me what scriptures for what positions,the history of the receved text is far older than the text sini which catholics have be told to use,because as true to form catholic heads like to incorperate doctrines into there teachings that cannot be suported by the text receved

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Seriously Laforte spend 5 minutes and read what we have been chatting about from the beginning. You will see that I've used plenty of bible verses

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    again show me from the bible in clear writings to suport what is taught within the catholic circles,and again you will turn to your doctrines that cannot be found within scripture

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    in the bible it states there will be those to go to christ and say have we not done this and this in your name and his reply is get away from me I never knew you,

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well laforte then I guess you have some big issues with this site because if this article was stated as Christians heads still... then I wouldn't be here. By breaking the conversation into protestant/Catholic already assumes that Catholic=Christian. Besides I like the term protesters/protestant for describing what you truly are.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    and still how many time does a truth have to be presented befor you turn to the receved text not the text sini how long will you refuse the words of christ,yet you wholeheartedly turn to doctrine that is aposed to the teachings of Jesus,

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    my personal opinion of those who wish to join with the catholics is they are confused,catholic doesnt equate into christian despite there protests- they are known by there fruit,and all vial history produced by it,

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    laforte spend 5 minutes and hit the view all, we've been there and discussed that

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Is the Catholic parishioners laying hands on people and healing them? Is the Protestant movement? Yes. Yes, Catholics do that and a simple search on the net would show that there have been many miracles done by Catholic lay people. Are the Catholic people casting out devils? Is the Protestant movement? yes. Yes, once again a few seconds on the net would prove that. I understand that you are very concerned about whether you are saved in the same way that the protestant leaders at the Vatican are begging for a Church unity. Like I said the Pope has to follow the truth that has been passed down to him. Just like in the days of Noah there will be much disappointment and sadness. I'm sorry I honestly wish the protestants didn't have to be sad and disappointed but that's the way it is.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    what does the bible say about the topics of priest marriying or praying to saints or reguarding mary as co mediator or the pope only being Gods spokesperson,

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That's the whole point of the article the protestants are at the Vatican pounding on the doors begging to be let in. I guess the Pope must feel like Noah during the great flood, but he knows he must do the work of God. I'm sure he must be deeply touched listening to these protestants the way Noah listened to the screams of the people outside the ark. However, this time God is allowing people into the ark it is big enough for all of us but there can be only 1 earthly leader on board (Noah / the Pope). The Pope didn't go to them, they came to him, much the same way that the Pope would never call some protestant like Billy Graham the moral leader of the world but Graham was compelled to call the Pope the moral leader of the world.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    True...I can lay no claim to what is placed in this Bible. For that I am glad. I cannot boast in my accomplishments for without Him I can do nothing. I'm sure that God is smiling down on your boastful, self-righteous accomplishments (much the same way the pharisees did). You have now made His Word worthless. I hope to God that no unsaved person is reading this. You just destroyed His Word. But with all your boastfulness you have denied the truth of the very Word you have put together. Does the Bible state "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"? Then why is the Catholic church not fulfilling that? I'm not talking about the priests and bishops...the Word of God specifically states "them that believe". Is the Catholic parishioners laying hands on people and healing them? Is the Protestant movement? Yes. Are the Catholic people casting out devils? Is the Protestant movement? yes. Are the Catholics speaking in new tongues? Many of the Protestant believers are. Were you baptized when you were saved? Etc, etc. And there are so many other commands in the Word that the Catholics have thrown by the wayside, because what the Pope says is so much more important than the Truth
    The question I asked (for the 5th time) is this: I have confess the Lord Jesus and believe with all my heart the God has raised Him from the dead...but I am not Catholic. am i saved?.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I have no idea what your ramblings are about homosexuality, the Church is very clear in its teachings. Take a few minutes and look it up. "True, Catholicism has survived much. So has the Protestant movement. Maybe not as long as Catholicism, but it will endure to the end of times because it is blessed of God". Protestant movement is not 1 singular entity, please refer to current splits in protestant churches ordaining homosexual leaders and saying it is ok. I bring it up because that seems to be something you are very concerned about. You are right about not wanting to be cut off and that is what the article that brought you to this article is about: Protestant Heads Still Committed to Dialogue Despite Vatican's 'One True Church' Claim. They are very concerned about being cut off and thus are, as the article clearly states, are disappointed. However, they know that this position is nothing new as far as Church doctrine.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    there is only one GOD. ONE savior-Jesus,The record of God is written within the Bible,However that too can be corrupted, & re-written,to suite the doctrine of any so called church,example-textus recepticus or the textus siniticus,Forgive my spelling,& The many revisions of the(bible) versions.all claiming to be THE TRUTH.Churchs are built in the image of man,There-by they are fallible.Hence this is (why) there are so many varietys of them,ocupation of buildings do not equate into holyness,Each and every person who claim to be of Christ,Must faithfully follow His words and emulate him-- not the words of those who wold put there teachgings on par with christ,-pray to God in christ-not any saints not and pope or Mary not any person, there is only one intercesor between man and God Jesus the Christ God only is our father (call no man father) where are the scriptures to back your claims or would you say this is what the church teaches,

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Therin lies the problem..." Catholics don't believe only in the bible we also rely on the truth from the Church". However askew that "truth" may be. As far as the topic of homosexuality is concerned, you apparently don't believe that the condemning of those who practice (as well as those who approve of those who practice) homosexuality is in the Bible. Romans 1:26-32. Deny that, and you deny the authenticity of the Holy Scriptures. You prefer to follow what the Vatican say rather than what the Word of God says. Those who preach other than what the Bible says, condemn himself.
    The pharisees weren't trying to hurt the church. They were trying to bring God's people under the bondage of religious traditions and rules that weren't even Godly. And most were made up under the guise of "being from God". Study the Bible to see what Jesus says about that. Pretty much the same way the Pope and priests do today. The book of acts shows the "church" was meeting in small groups in peoples homes....and they were being blessed with converts being added daily! True, Catholicism has survived much. So has the Protestant movement. Maybe not as long as Catholicism, but it will endure to the end of times because it is blessed of God. And God has shown Himself strong and faithful to those in that faith. There is only one Rock, the Christ Jesus. First Corinthians 10:4. What denomination do I belong to? The Body of Christ. First Corinthians 12:12-27. Whether you like it or not...I'm part of the Body of Christ. You cannot cut me off. You cannot say that I am not a part of the Body because I am not catholic. You (nor the Pope) made me part of the Body. And neither you (nor the Pope) can remove me.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Therin lies the problem..." Catholics don't believe only in the bible we also rely on the truth from the Church". However askew that "truth" may be. As far as the topic of homosexuality is concerned, you apparently don't believe that the condemning of those who practice (as well as those who approve of those who practice) homosexuality is in the Bible. Romans 1:26-32. Deny that, and you deny the authenticity of the Holy Scriptures. You prefer to follow what the Vatican say rather than what the Word of God says. Those who preach other than what the Bible says, condemn himself.
    The pharisees weren't trying to hurt the church. They were trying to bring God's people under the bondage of religious traditions and rules that weren't even Godly. And most were made up under the guise of "being from God". Study the Bible to see what Jesus says about that. Pretty much the same way the Pope and priests do today. The book of acts shows the "church" was meeting in small groups in peoples homes....and they were being blessed with converts being added daily! True, Catholicism has survived much. So has the Protestant movement. Maybe not as long as Catholicism, but it will endure to the end of times because it is blessed of God. And God has shown Himself strong and faithful to those in that faith. There is only one Rock, the Christ Jesus. First Corinthians 10:4. What denomination do I belong to? The Body of Christ. First Corinthians 12:12-27. Whether you like it or not...I'm part of the Body of Christ. You cannot cut me off. You cannot say that I am not a part of the Body because I am not catholic. You (nor the Pope) made me part of the Body. And neither you (nor the Pope) can remove me.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    when i read the bible theres no mention of any one church being the one and only,for the sake of traditions you would hold fast to errors,the rock Jesus who is the christ what he spoke of-was himself, the testimony of the truth of his words and deeds,all spoken through out the old testimant fulfilled in the new,the church if fact is those who do the works and deeds of jesus words, the church is people-Not a building or organization,not tradition,Within the Hebrew and Greek text never is such beliefs suported,when your actions cannot be supported by the bible,you turn to your church doctrines for support,thereby trumping the words of Jesus,

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JSOrthodoxy, I encourage you to hit the view all and read what has brought prophet and I to this point. Thanks

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What question? What protestant denomination are you?

    The one thing that we agree upon is that the Catholic church is the most powerful/influential institution in the world. Arguably always has been and will be until God' return. I guess that is what is always at the heart of the frustration of protestants. How is that possible without God's influence? I can pick up a Catholic bible and know that in no uncertain terms that a protestant had absolutely no influence in the bible I hold in my hands and you can't do the same. It is impossible for you to pick up a bible and say that the Catholic church had no influence in this bible.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Why wont you answer my question?

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The One God who revealed Himself fully in Jesus Christ, entrusted to the apostles His revelation concerning Himself. That revelation is what eventually became the New Testament, along with the apostolic rule of faith (that is later developed and finds its expression in the Nicene Creed), and the ancient apostolic practice of worship. The sacred Tradition that was handed down in Scripture and in the liturgical life of the ancient Church was spelled out in the seven Ecumenical Councils of the ancient Church. This ancient Church was a communion of local Churches united in their common confession of Jesus Christ as the Word made Flesh and the Lord and Savior of all. They were united under their bishops in their local Churches and they worshiped God through preaching the Gospel and celebrating the Eucharist. It is to this common, ancient confession and practice that we should look, adding nothing nor taking anything away from what what revealed.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    there is only one GOD. ONE savior-Jesus,The record of God is written within the Bible,However that too can be corrupted, & re-written,to suite the doctrine of any so called church,example-textus recepticus or the textus siniticus,Forgive my spelling,& The many revisions of the(bible) versions.all claiming to be THE TRUTH.Churchs are built in the image of man,There-by they are fallible.Hence this is (why) there are so many varietys of them,ocupation of buildings do not equate into holyness,Each and every person who claim to be of Christ,Must faithfully follow His words and emulate him-- not the words of those who wold put there teachgings on par with christ,-

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As I said from the beginning Catholics don't believe only in the bible we also rely on the truth from the Church like the early Christians. You must have serious issues with Christians prior to the protestant reformation. As for John Kerry, my point is that Kerry had to admit that he was not following what the church teaches he couldn't run to a different Catholic church and say that he is following the teachings of the church. What are you talking about with your baptist comments? do you mean that northern and southern baptists agree? then why split? give me a break. I guess your problems with allowing homosexuality will mean that you have issues with certain protestant churches that accept the practice. So what is "biblical truth" to you isn't to other protestant churches, how do you explain that? I'm sure you'll come up with some kind of exception..how about a lack of unity that's a good reason. As for your pharisees comments, the pharisees were the ones trying to hurt God just like you are trying to hurt the Church that he wanted Peter to start. The Church has survived everything, maps change, leaders change, nearly everything has changed since Peter founded the Church, but the Church remains the ROCK!! How could you possibly compare one of your new age protestant churches to the real church. What denomination do you belong to?

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The recent statement from Rome which exalts herself as the one true chuch reminds me of that passage in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.

    It reads: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (Christ's return) shall not come, except there come a falling (apostasy in the church) away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple (the christian church) of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    Jesus said, " scripture cannot be broken" . . . . . .John 10:35. It alone is the only standard that our savior left us!

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