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Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

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Wed, Mar. 19 2008 11:36 AM ET
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To this day, the gay and lesbian community is looking to the Church for some verifiable evidence that Christians love homosexuals as they say they do, said a former gay activist.

Many Christians use the phrase "We hate the sin but we love the sinner" when responding to the homosexual community. But if the Church is going to continue to use that cliché, the burden of proof is on us, said Joe Dallas, program director of Genesis Counseling – a Tustin, Calif.-based ministry to men struggling with sexual addiction and homosexuality.

The Church must provide verifiable evidence of its hatred of sin of homosexuality and love for the homosexual, he explained at a past Love Won Out conference in Orlando, Fla. Dallas’ session was aired on Focus on the Family's radio broadcast on Tuesday.

"We have responsibility to be consistent to live what we preach," he said.

And rather than pointing the finger at the sins of the culture, Dallas insisted the appropriate question to ask is "not what can be done about this moral state of the culture, but rather what can be done about the moral state of the Church."

For decades Christians have struggled over how to respond appropriately to homosexuals.

In the 1970s, many Christian televangelists and well-known pastors began speaking out against the sin of homosexuality, often offering "lurid exaggerations" about homosexual people to underscore their point, Dallas mentioned.

He called it the "Jonah syndrome" where Christians lose sight of the value and humanity of the people they oppose.

In the 1980s when the AIDS epidemic came on the scene, homosexuals only saw hostility from the Church.

"We in the gay community did not hear a compassionate Christian response," said Dallas, who said he once lived a promiscuous homosexual lifestyle.

Instead, the gay community heard: "The judgment of God has finally fallen down on the sodomites."

"Translated, your sin has finally caught up with you, you're going to die, and we're not at all sure we're sorry," Dallas said.

"That is a message that the gay community will never forget."

Focus on the Family is about to celebrate the 10th anniversary of its Love Won Out conferences, which equip churches across the nation about how to respond to homosexuality and offer hope to those struggling with same-sex desires.

And in the past 10 years, the Christian rhetoric toward homosexual persons has increasingly turned away from the judgmental talk of sin and death and has become more responsible and more balanced, Dallas noted. But the Church is still adjusting and gay and lesbian activists are still picketing such conferences as Love Won Out, unconvinced that Christians have moved away from the hate and anti-homosexual speech.

"Gay activists come with pre-conceived notions about who we are and what we believe and about the hate that boils from within, which is simply not true," said Dr. James Dobson, founder and chairman of Focus on the Family.

Dobson, one of the nation's most influential evangelical leaders, says Love Won Out conferences are not about hate or rejection.

"Regardless of what the media might say, Focus on the Family has no interest in promoting hatred toward homosexuals or anyone else," he stressed during Tuesday's broadcast. "We also don't wish to deprive them of their basic constitutional rights. The Constitution applies to all of us."

He went on to note that the organization believes sex outside of marriage, whether it is homosexual or heterosexual, is a sin, citing the Bible. And the group will continue to take a stand on public policy issues defending families and traditional marriage.

"But while we oppose those social agendas (redefining the family), we are committed to loving homosexuals and reaching out to them," Dobson highlighted.

Meanwhile, as Dallas pointed out, the Jonah syndrome still shows itself today – even as churches adopt a more compassionate voice. It is especially evident in political debates.

"To hear some of us (Christians) talk, you think it's more important to politically defeat lesbians and gays than it is to see them won into the Kingdom of God," he said.

Calling Christians to repent of such "skewed" priorities, Dallas said, "There are more important things than temporal victories. The eternal souls of the people we oppose are certainly more important than any sociological victories that we can attain."

As Christians become better equipped with how to respond to homosexuality, Dallas called for more than rhetoric especially when aiming to dispel the church's negative image on the issue from the past.

"We need more Christians involved in AIDS ministry; we need more Christians in forms of practical services to gay people; we need more Christians equipped to dialogue with gay people," he urged. "[And] we need more Christians responding to them respectfully without compromising but showing that we value them as people not just as objects to be converted."

The next Love Won Out conference is scheduled for April 12 at Abundant Life Fellowship in San Jose, Calif.

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TerryH
  • Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:11 am
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1 Corinthians 13
The Excellence of Love
1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,

5does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,

6does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;

7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

9For we know in part and we prophesy in part;

10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.

13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.
TerryH
  • Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:07 am
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The challenge I believe for all of us, if we take upon the identity of Christian is this. Do we walk in in 1 Corinthians 13? No, we are not to condone sin. Nor are we called to preach at sin. We are called to minister to the sinner the truth of the Gospel with the love of God working through us. None of us, if we were to get really honest, does this regarding sin. Prudent truth is truth speaking for itself, but when we speak the truth in love, we are allowing God to work through us. We can quote thousands of scripture and appear to be all religious, but Christian means Christlike. God convicts us with His love and His truth. I think the problem is that we are to quick to envoke God's law against people instead of speaking the truth in love. I believe the best way we can ever reach someone to lead them to Christ is to share our testimony as to what Christ did for us, from His death on the cross out of His love for us, to the transformation by the renewing of our minds that led to our turning away from sin. Once we have reached out to those with God's love and truth we place them in His hands and leave them to their choice as to which direction they want to turn. It is at this point based on their decision to accept or reject God's truth. It is out of our hands. Never ever are we to compromise God's truth, but we do not have to be arrogant if the offer of salvation is rejected. We just back off and continue on in the journey Christ has for us and walk in 1 Corinthians 13.
lipoftruth
  • Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:39 pm
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I have enjoyed reading each of your comments. This is an issue of great importance in these troubled times. The UCC church has a slogan in it's PR campaign "Welcoming and Affirming." I have really struggled with this as I believe we are called to welcome (love) without judgement and condemnation. The affirmation part is tough because I feel we must once they are in the Body of Christ (church) turn away from sin. Many of these Gay churches are completely rewriting scripture and effectively mocking the Christ who bought them. So many of these movements spend MUCH effort in gospels and ministries other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Certainly socal justice and enviornmental concerns are valid yet these pale in comparison to spreading the Word of God and sharing our Savior with others. I have studied many of these churches and what I have found deeply disturbes me as it should. I pray for these folk and I know that each day I ask for Gods grace for my life and I ask the Holy Spirit to make me aware of my sin and areas of my life which need attention. I Truly love these Gay brothers and feel I would be negligent if I did not speak the Truth, the Way and the Life. Praise be to God our Father for this site and a healthy discussion on how we minister and love one another. The time draws near and we all have a choice laid before us: To Revere (Fear the Lord) or to Reject (continue unrepentant sin). Grace and Peace
Prophet
  • Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:53 pm
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I agree.
I made the analogy that it takes the same amount of forgiveness for God to forgive murder as it does for God to forgive lying. Pilot didn't get that point. That means that if it takes the same amount of forgiveness, then one is no worse than the other in His eyes. The man who commits murder, is repentant, and asks forgiveness is forgiven of God as easily as the one who repents of l ying. Unfortunately, there are more repentant murderers out there than repentant liars. People think that lying is not such a big sin, and therefore true repentance isn't needed. How wrong they are. The Word of God says that if we offend in even one point of the law, we have broken the entire law.
Cheala34life
  • Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:34 pm
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prespilot68 - Jeuss told his disciples that to hate their fellow brethren in their hearts was equal to murder. Under the law a person was gulity of murder if they acutally committed the physical harm unto death. In the New Testament Jesus amplifies this meaning when he says, "but I say unto you if you hate your brotheren in heart ye also commit murder.
gig
  • Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:53 pm
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God does not distinguish from varying degrees of sin. Sorry. We are not like Him, most of us have no idea of Who He is; and anyone who assumes so, can go ahead and do it for as long as he lives; but it's not going to change the nature of God. He forgives everyone equally, He died for everyone equally and he doesn't play favorites even in the sin department. IT'S ALL THE SAME TO HIM.
Prophet
  • Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:42 pm
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pilot,
I never said you said anything about denying God's forgiveness.
prespilot68
  • Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:44 pm
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Prophet - I never said anything about denying God's forgiveness. Your trying to make a straw man argument here! I am talking about his justice. If you have FAITH - then justice for your sins has been set aside. I am speaking about those who do not have faith and God's righteous justice. God will judge ACCORDINGLY to the persons sinfulness. Will God judge Hitler different than say a common sinner? I think so - read Revelation and you'll get the sense that God judges righteously. Besides - I think you also left something out of your statement - Repentance. Without it God would be unloving to just forgive or pardon someone unless they have repented of their sins.
chk555
  • Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:59 pm
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Calling someone to repent of sin IS the most loving thing you can do. To do other wise is condemn the sinner to a life of slavery to their sin. Just ask those whom have repented and found deliverence from this perverted and licencious lifestyle.
Prophet
  • Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:24 am
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prespilot,
Jesus died for ALL sins. It takes no more effort for God to forgive a person of rape, than it does for God to forgive someone of lying. To say otherwise, is to say that Jesus' death was not enough.
What the problem here is, OUR ability to forgive certain sins. Would you agree that murder is worse than lying? Most likely. Then let's review what Jesus said as he was being murdered....."Father, forgive them....." Here is a man who was being wrongly executed (murder), and yet His one last thought was to forgive. Maybe we could all learn something from that.
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