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Emergent Church Leaders' InterSpirituality Talks Raise Flags

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Christian Post Reporter
Thu, Apr. 17 2008 08:31 AM ET
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The participation of emergent church leaders in an interfaith dialogue raised flags for some conservative Christians who have been concerned over a growing cooperation of emergent church leaders with New Spirituality/New Age leaders.

Prior to Tuesday's InterSpirituality Day panel discussions, hosted by Seeds of Compassion, Christian talk show host Ingrid Schlueter of Crosstalk Radio warned the public that emergent leaders Rob Bell of Mars Hill Bible Church and Doug Pagitt of Solomon's Porch would promote universalism.

The panel included various Christian leaders, a Muslim scholar, a Sikh, and the Dalai Lama, among others, who spoke on compassion and spirituality.

Held in one of the most unchurched cities in the country – Seattle – the dialogue drew over 7,000 people who heard the diverse panel speak about nurturing compassion in a religiously pluralistic world.

"We say we are created by one god. We say we are all the human family. That makes us interdependent. That is the basis of compassion because it is the basis of the morality of the world," said Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine Catholic nun.

Young adults posed questions to the religious leaders about overcoming anger, interfaith dialogue, and how spirituality can be a catalyst for compassion and not destruction.

While each religious leader alluded to their personal faith, from Buddhism to Christianity, there was little emphasis on their core beliefs and more talk on spiritual connectedness and the universality of being compassionate – a dialogue that seemed appropriate in a city where many say they are "spiritual" but not necessarily religious.

"When somebody wrongs you ... there is, next to revenge, another option – which is not to hand back the pain; which means, you're going to have to bear that pain,” said Bell, also a best-selling author.

"It is going to feel like a death, but it is going to lead to a resurrection. It is going to feel like a Friday but a Sunday is going to come," he added. "That is what changes the world - when somebody chooses not to hand it back."

Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries, which claims to specialize in apologetics and be rooted in orthodox Christian theology, wasn't pleased with Bell's response, saying he did not give a "Christian answer" and avoided mentioning Jesus Christ.

Others weren't surprised Bell and Pagitt joined the interfaith event.

"They teach that you really can't understand the Bible, nor are you supposed to. Rather you need to experience it; it's not what God says, but how you feel about it; its content is to be received really subjectively or experientially." McMahon told OneNewsNow, adding that such teaching essentially rejects the authority of the Bible. "They believe that preaching or teaching Bible doctrines is too authoritarian, so they turn to conversation ... about the Bible – and [in many emergent churches] that replaces teaching from the pulpit."

Some young adults expressed concern over interfaith dialogue and the blurring of faith convictions.

"How can interfaith dialogue nourish compassion without the fear of losing one's religious identity?" one young adult posed to the panel on Tuesday.

Dr. Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America, believes it would have been in God's power to make everyone the same. But "God created religious pluralism for a reason," she said, "so we can strive as in a race towards goodness."

Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu stated, "All of us who are Christian seek to be inspired by the example of our Lord. How frequently in the gospels do we hear Jesus had compassion?"

"You do not need to be Muslim to be compassionate. You don't need to be a Christian to be a compassionate person," he added. But Tutu pointed out that each person has a purpose in this world as he applauded those who are making the world a better place through compassion works.

"Are you in this world by yourself or is there a purpose by which God made [you]?"

The Dalai Lama said he believes there are different religions so people can find the one that best suits them. "I think everyone, ultimately, deep inside [has] some kind of goodness," he said.

On another note, the Dalai Lama left young people with this message: "Whether we accept religion or not, [it's] up to the individual. [But] once we accept, be serious, sincere."

Seeds of Compassion held a five-day gathering that drew about 144,000 people. The event concluded Tuesday.

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steiner
  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:07 am
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Blue,

As regards islam, Islam is a revealed religion and the way it was revealed must be made known, because there lays the key to understanding Islam. The following information can be easily accessed in the West with little effort and research.


When Mohammed was contacted by the spirit (Jibrail) in the cave he was convinced he had been contacted by a harmful (evil) spirit and returned very distressed to his wife Khadijah, who thought otherwise, and to reassure Mohammed, she took him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Naufal, who, allegedly, was "a very old man who knew the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians" and on this old man's OPINION , the spirit who had contacted Mohammed was declared as coming from God and that Mohammed was to become the Prophet of his people! (pages 10 and 11 of the introduction to the English translation of the Holy Quran by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall). If this old man really knew the Christian Scriptures he would have told Mohammed that he had been contacted by an evil spirit (as Mohammed had correctly thought when the spirit had first appeared to him) on the basis of the biblical teaching found in the New Testament in the letter to the Galatians 1:8 where it is stated ..."if an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached (Jesus' gospel) let him be eternally condemned"...

To be brief... the Koran was revealed by a false spirit (a demon) as the translator Marmaduke Pickthall so unwittingly gives testimony to in his introduction of the Holy Quran page 11, 3rd paragraph: "the words which came to him (Mohammed) when in a state of trance are held sacred by the Muslims and are never confounded with those which he uttered when no physical change was apparent in him. (during his trance, they covered mohammed with a sheet...do you know why?)

The former are the Sacred Book (the Koran); the latter the Hadith or Sunnah...” with the above statement Pickthall is confirming that the Koran was recited by Mohammed while in a state of trace or in other words under demonic possession. Consequently, it should not surprise us that when a person starts believing in the Koran, a demonic product, he turns evil. In the New Testament in the letter to the Ephesians 4:30 ..." God's Holy Spirit... gets rid of all bitterness, passion, anger... hateful feelings of any sort... instead makes you kind and tender hearted... forgiving one another... as God has forgiven you through Christ." This Spirit is not the spirit that leads practicing muslims to become suicide bombers .

As Christians in the West we have a great opportunity and obligation to lovingly approach our Muslim neighbours with the Good News of the true Jesus so that their eyes may be opened and step from darkness into light.
steiner
  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:06 am
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Blue,

As regards islam, Islam is a revealed religion and the way it was revealed must be made known, because there lays the key to understanding Islam. The following information can be easily accessed in the West with little effort and research.


When Mohammed was contacted by the spirit (Jibrail) in the cave he was convinced he had been contacted by a harmful (evil) spirit and returned very distressed to his wife Khadijah, who thought otherwise, and to reassure Mohammed, she took him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Naufal, who, allegedly, was "a very old man who knew the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians" and on this old man's OPINION , the spirit who had contacted Mohammed was declared as coming from God and that Mohammed was to become the Prophet of his people! (pages 10 and 11 of the introduction to the English translation of the Holy Quran by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall). If this old man really knew the Christian Scriptures he would have told Mohammed that he had been contacted by an evil spirit (as Mohammed had correctly thought when the spirit had first appeared to him) on the basis of the biblical teaching found in the New Testament in the letter to the Galatians 1:8 where it is stated ..."if an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached (Jesus' gospel) let him be eternally condemned"...

To be brief... the Koran was revealed by a false spirit (a demon) as the translator Marmaduke Pickthall so unwittingly gives testimony to in his introduction of the Holy Quran page 11, 3rd paragraph: "the words which came to him (Mohammed) when in a state of trance are held sacred by the Muslims and are never confounded with those which he uttered when no physical change was apparent in him. (during his trance, they covered mohammed with a sheet...do you know why?)

The former are the Sacred Book (the Koran); the latter the Hadith or Sunnah...” with the above statement Pickthall is confirming that the Koran was recited by Mohammed while in a state of trace or in other words under demonic possession. Consequently, it should not surprise us that when a person starts believing in the Koran, a demonic product, he turns evil. In the New Testament in the letter to the Ephesians 4:30 ..." God's Holy Spirit... gets rid of all bitterness, passion, anger... hateful feelings of any sort... instead makes you kind and tender hearted... forgiving one another... as God has forgiven you through Christ." This Spirit is not the spirit that leads practicing muslims to become suicide bombers .

As Christians in the West we have a great opportunity and obligation to lovingly approach our Muslim neighbours with the Good News of the true Jesus so that their eyes may be opened and step from darkness into light.
blue1018
  • Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:21 pm
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Dr. Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America, believes it would have been in God's power to make everyone the same. But "God created religious pluralism for a reason," she said, "so we can strive as in a race towards goodness."

Now, for some reason her answer seemsmore reasonable than the groups and groups of Christians bickering all the time
ProfessorX
  • Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:13 pm
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This is evidence that we are smack dab in the middle of Revelations and we are witnessing the falling away of the Church. Repent before it is too late!

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/#the_message_that_we_were_born_to_hear
ProfessorX
  • Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:11 pm
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Examine yourselves to see if you be on the faith.

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/#the_message_that_we_were_born_to_hear
keepingfaith
  • Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:33 am
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Sorry McMahon, I want to understand the bible, I want to live it's promises. Christ died so that all who believe could be forgiven and live a life with Christ. To serve. Youl can't experience something if you don't understand it. The only way to understand it, is so read and study it. For example, Skydiving? Don't just jump! So many confused people. Lead astray by false hopes and prophets. We as Christians have a job to do. Open their eyes to the truth before it's to late.
steiner
  • Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:25 am
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Christianity calls us to feed the poor, help the sick...etc, but that is not the center of Christianity. It is Christ. let us not be tempted into believing satans agenda.

The first temptation that Jesus faced: If you are the son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.....

Jesus answer was firm and enlightening: Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God....

Christian; preach the Word, preach Christ first...and do not compromise His message...we can only attain eternal life through Him and Him only. Do not be deceived...
Online4Him
  • Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:29 pm
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The Emergent Church is nothing more than postmodernism cloaked in Christian garb. They are replacing the gospel of Jesus Christ for an all inclusive social gospel which seeks to undermine biblical Christianity. How in the world can “Christians” have an inter-faith dialogue with Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, and not share the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Yes, we are to love one another; that message has always been constant but this is not about love, it is about watering down the exclusive claims of Christianity. All religions, plainly and simply, cannot be true. Some beliefs are false and seek to undermine the claims of Jesus Christ – John 14:6. This is a battle for biblical truth that we are witnessing. Truth by definition excludes, it is absolute. Either Jesus is the only way or he is not.

Political Correctness, Postmodernism (cultural relativism), Textual Criticism, and Ecumenicalism are fast replacing the gospel of Jesus Christ in many circles throughout Christendom. Only those who are being led by the Holy Spirit and those who are scripturally grounded will be able to recognize and expose this movement for what it really is; modern day paganism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRSKU9_7BJQ
feetxxxl
  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:55 pm
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quecat

lady of guadalupe ........................ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe


day of the dead..................................http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead


where in the explanations of either of these two does it say that jesus is not their lord and savior or dismiss what he did on the cross?

how is honoring those who passed before, against christ?
thelordismylight
  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:19 pm
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DRJ-

Interesting... do you believe that the Protestants who hang African Americans for the color of their skin are capable of seeing God?
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